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14. Are they(angels) not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH
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14. Are they(angels) not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
soberxp
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In the Bible, wind represents the Holy Spirit, and angels can speak a wind-like language through the wind.
If you don't listen carefully, all you hear is the sound of the wind. But if you listen closely, you can hear the language of the angels.
Tongues is a gift of the Spirit
I dont think tongues are in operation today because it was a sign to Israel and Israel is temporarily fallen
When I speak in tongues it is with the language the Holy Spirit speaks in through me , I do not choose the language . I recognize some names such as Eli and Allah when the Holy Spirt gives me the utterance in tongues .
I understand I am speaking to God when I pray in tongues , he has sent answers as I prayed . God understands .
I do not have the gift of interpretation of tongues , but I do have other gifts of the Holy Spirit besides the gift of tongues .
1 Corinthians 12:7 Context
4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:Before we go further answer a question for me .
Do have any experience with the gift of tongues and what is that experience if so ?
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I dont think this passage was used to say believing Israel would receive the earthly kingdom. I was discussing who the 144k might be
That handmaidens will prophesy is restricted to Israel in the last days and doesnt apply to the church the body of Christ in the dispensation of grace“14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. ”
Acts 2:14-21 KJV
Are there only men living in Jerusalem because Peter said...
“And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. ”
Acts 2:5 KJV
Taken
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WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH
From days of the Established Temple…
Men went to the Temple building..
Men Remained Quite Listeners While ONE man read the Scrolls.
Women remained outside the Temple / or at home.
Jesus’ First “Church” Members were Male Jews.
Jesus’ First “Church” gatherings in buildings, were in Synagogues.
Jesus’ First “Church” in Synagogues “INVITED” and “ALLOWED” women to come and HEAR the Preaching First hand.
Women in attendance were excited, curious, wondering, inquisitive….
AND allowing their untrained Mouths to Speak instead of containing their ONE Mouth, and sit Quietly Allowing their TWO Ears to Listen.
Inanutshell… women had to be Told, Taught, Reminded to be quiet, Listen… while ONE is reading the Scrolls.
Not unreasonable, to believe, Men attending Temple for the First few Times were also excited, curious, and Reminded to Be Quiet and Listen.
It is not about women exclusively in A Church… rather it is About the Whole Gathering, in Attendance to Hear and Listen, actually keep their One Mouth Shut and Two Ears Opened…
Respectfully Listening to the ONE Speaker.
Jesus’ own Disciples we’re a model example of the Same Respect…
As Jesus taught, listen, and Privately aside, Jesus would speak to them.
Respect and lack thereof is highlighted in Scripture nearly 50 Times.
Reasonable to conclude it is an important behavior for ALL humans to Consider, when ONE is preaching the Word of God to a crowd gathered for the express purpose TO: Listen and Hear the Word of God.
Context matters.
Glory to God,
Taken
From days of the Established Temple…
Men went to the Temple building..
Men Remained Quite Listeners While ONE man read the Scrolls.
Women remained outside the Temple / or at home.
Jesus’ First “Church” Members were Male Jews.
Jesus’ First “Church” gatherings in buildings, were in Synagogues.
Jesus’ First “Church” in Synagogues “INVITED” and “ALLOWED” women to come and HEAR the Preaching First hand.
Women in attendance were excited, curious, wondering, inquisitive….
AND allowing their untrained Mouths to Speak instead of containing their ONE Mouth, and sit Quietly Allowing their TWO Ears to Listen.
Inanutshell… women had to be Told, Taught, Reminded to be quiet, Listen… while ONE is reading the Scrolls.
Not unreasonable, to believe, Men attending Temple for the First few Times were also excited, curious, and Reminded to Be Quiet and Listen.
It is not about women exclusively in A Church… rather it is About the Whole Gathering, in Attendance to Hear and Listen, actually keep their One Mouth Shut and Two Ears Opened…
Respectfully Listening to the ONE Speaker.
Jesus’ own Disciples we’re a model example of the Same Respect…
As Jesus taught, listen, and Privately aside, Jesus would speak to them.
Respect and lack thereof is highlighted in Scripture nearly 50 Times.
Reasonable to conclude it is an important behavior for ALL humans to Consider, when ONE is preaching the Word of God to a crowd gathered for the express purpose TO: Listen and Hear the Word of God.
Context matters.
Glory to God,
Taken
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I can't agree with that presumption.God can do anything.
I also think that Israel is also a metaphor in the Bible.
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If they are conveying a message from God to you,you'll know and understand.
One thing to remember for us is there were no microphones or PA systems in those churches , the speakers really had to project their voice back then .
Taken
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Would agree. However do believe the Ancient Synagogues were constructed with material and height to allow a voice to carry.
It's better you back it up with scripture, because your claim is not tangible with the scripture.
In John ch. 3, Jesus used the wind as a parable, and relating to every one that is born of the Holy Ghost, and not the Holy Ghost.
Based on 1Kings19:11-12, GOD did not come to Elijah in the sound of a powerful wind, earthquake, or fire, but rather in the subsequent 'sound of a gentle whisper' or 'still small voice'.
Can you please do better than that besides your feeble wild imagination theories, in this Bible Study Forum.
Thank you.
1stCenturyLady
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The "perfect" was not the publishing of the Bible. They always had the letters. The perfect was when we see Jesus "face to face." That hasn't happened yet. Remember the New Testament is the New Covenant. NOTHING inside a covenant ends until the covenant itself ends.
Even satan and his angels speak in the same Heavenly tongues too.
And they are spirit and they can invade a human body, even when cast out there's a possibility they can return back with reenforcement.
The Holy Ghost gives you unknown tongues and you are to pray for 'interpretation', to explain it in the common language for the people you're interacting with in charity.
That's what you say, but you don't understand what you speaking to GOD, and what He's answering, so what's the point of speaking?
You can be communicating with the devil and he could be answering you, because he disguises himself as an angel of Light.
The scripture according to 1 Corinthians ch. 14, only exposes you as worker of 'lawlessness', no 'interpretation' and no 'charity' for the congregation or the people you speak to.
As a result, you are to remain 'silent' and speak to which ever God in 'silent', and that is 'lawful'
For the record, 'allah' is not the GOD of the Holy Bible, but 'satan', want to know more speak to Christian Prince or David Wood on social media.
Many 'shortsighted' to the context of the scripture and it's sound doctrine, take scripture out of context to fit their 'lawless' agenda.
For the context and sound doctrine in regards gifts of the Holy Ghost and the use of it in charity, is from chapter 12 to chapter 14.
You have no 'interpretation', haven't a clue you should pray for it, yet speak openly to others who are 'blind', and feel good about it.
This shows how you're easily deceived and deceive others, repent, and be a 'doer' and 'abider' of the All Scripture = Holy Bible. (2Timothy3:16&17)
And become the 'lawful' citizen of the Kingdom of GOD, and not on that day when you meet the Lord, He will have to tell you to depart from Him.
Since been a worker of 'lawlessness' in your lifetime going ahead of the all scripture and it's sound doctrine and served the Kingdom of GOD in 'vain'.
Based on the context of the scripture and sound doctrine, is the gift of tongues the only gift of the Holy Ghost?
What if i've received a better gift than yours, gift of 'prophesying' and it's spoken in the common language all listeners understand, like in this forum?
For sure it 'edifies' everyone who listens to it and scripturally supported, if they are matured and wise even able to take correction, excel in truth and serve lawfully the Kingdom of GOD.
Apparently your testimony able to speak in unknown tongues without interpretation and drawing unlearned others, merely lead GOD's unlearned lambs and some sheep 'astray'.
This is a Bible Study Forum, all scripture and sound doctrine of the Holy Bible the 'authority' here, either we're 'lawful' or in 'lawlessness' serving the Kingdom of GOD.
In Hebrews is written, when you receive correction for GOD, do not be discouraged, and when you're chastised, do not take light of it.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
1stCenturyLady
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I bet you don't speak in tongues do you. What does 1 Corinthians 14:22 mean regarding tongues being a sign to the unbeliever? Let's see if having your Bible has given you truth. The Bible is alive. It can blind the eyes of Pharisees and open the eyes of a tax collector. So, more is needed than a book.
The Bible regarding knowing God is as seeing through a dark glass. But when Jesus returns and we see Him face to face we will know God thoroughly.
We must be born again. What does that mean to you?
1stCenturyLady
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Do you believe in speaking in tongues for today? The perfect is the EVENT of the second coming. Open your heart to the Holy Spirit, or you will always be poor when it comes to truth of our COMPLETE New Covenant. You've clipped wholes in your Bible making your knowledge like Swiss cheese. That's not just you, but all cessationists who err in what the WHOLE New Testament claims.
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