So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?
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David in NJ
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I wonder if it can do that, but they give quotes of a verse in a TR form. Biblehub is also good, but not as versatile.
David in NJ
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'Inner-Linear' is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
My play on words - forgive me if it offended you.
Other things are more likely too. But if I am not battling for the interpretation that the law is most important thing in the bible, what good would I be?
David in NJ
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Oh, i believe God's Law is the MOST Important.
God's Law is CHRIST and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
There no Holy Bible scripture to support your own false doctrine and claim.
But ours do, for Christ alone since have been the 'firstfruit' or 'firstborn' of resurrection from the dead, and none else until He returns .
For the Apostles and the church saints who in Christ and dead are 'asleep' until now, since Christ have not return yet.
1 Corinthians 15:
51. Behold, I shew a mystery; We shall not all asleep, but we shall all be changed.
The Apostles were claiming then itself to the church saints that Jesus is coming soon and at any time, preparing them.
That's why Paul minister and witness to the Corinthians church that it can happen during their lifetime since they're not dead and asleep.
Therefore apparently after Christ the 'firstfruit', the dead in Christ are 'asleep', even the Apostles and church saints, until He returns.
Only at the 'first resurrection' (Revelation ch.20), included as well those who were 'beheaded' during the reign of anti-Christ.
Where at the trumpet sound is when the dead in Christ shall rise first and be changed to the immortal body.
Also next those in Christ who are still 'alive' at His return, shall also be changed, and together they shall be taken in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:
16. For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17, Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
jeffweeder
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He loved her and trusted the word of the Lord (Angel) v25.
A remarkable hero of the faith
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by [the power of] the Holy Spirit.
19 And Joseph her [promised] husband, being a just and righteous man and not wanting to expose her publicly to shame, planned to send her away and divorce her quietly. 20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, descendant of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a Son, and you shall name Him Jesus (The Lord is salvation), for He will save His people from their sins.” 22 All this happened in order to fulfill what the Lord had spoken through the prophet [Isaiah]: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and give birth to a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel”—which, when translated, means, “God with us.” 24 Then Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and he took Mary [to his home] as his wife, 25 but he kept her a virgin until she had given birth to a Son [her firstborn child]; and he named Him Jesus (The Lord is salvation).
Big Boy Johnson
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You must have used the 'Outer Linear' when claiming the world is flat like a big 'ol nincompoop
Don't be a nincompoop
David in NJ
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If you had the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and believed GOD at His Word, you would know that only the surface of the earth is level with high mountains and low valleys along with cut outs for the streams and rivers and deep depressions for lakes and oceans.
You would also know that the earth does not move.
The sun, moon and stars move according to the courses God has ascribed for them.
Always believe GOD at His Word = Jeremiah 31:35-37
Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The Lord of hosts is His name):
“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
Thus says the Lord:
“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the Lord.
Lambano
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I think you're confusing the "Mary and Joseph had sex" thread with the "Flat Earth" thread.
Although perhaps I can see the relevance of having sex to feeling the earth move.
* I may have to report my own post as inapproprate.
Although perhaps I can see the relevance of having sex to feeling the earth move.
* I may have to report my own post as inapproprate.
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Big Boy Johnson
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The Koine Greek ginosko (“knew”) is indeed a standard idiom for sexual relations, but heos (“until”) does not, in Greek or in Scripture, inherently imply that the opposite happened afterward. Scripture itself disproves that assumption. For example, 2 Samuel 6:23 says, “Michal had no children until the day of her death.” No one concludes she began bearing children after she died. In such cases, heos marks a boundary, not a change of state.
Matthew 1:25 works the same way: “but he did not know Her until She had given birth to a Son.” Matthew is not describing Joseph and Mary’s later marital life. He is reinforcing what he has just narrated in 1:20-24 — the fulfillment of Isaiah 7:14 through the virginal conception by the Holy Spirit. Verse 25 simply secures the point: Joseph had no sexual involvement that could cast doubt on the divine origin of Jesus or the virginity of Mary at His birth.
Matthew makes no claim whatsoever—positive or negative—about what happened after the nativity. His concern is theological, not biographical. The verse establishes the Virgin Birth; it does not address post‑birth relations. Reading it as a statement about later intercourse imports a conclusion the text never makes.
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David in NJ
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Wrong thread
After the birth of JESUS, Joseph and Mary fulfilled their GOD-Given sexual relations = as Commanded by GOD
Idolatry and man-made religious teachings that undermine God's words will not increase our faith in Christ.
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Grailhunter
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People like to superimpose their beliefs on the scriptures. But the scriptures do not say Yahweh did not have sex with Miriam. But I love for people to put this singular thought in motion. If it was not sex how do you think it happened? Lets hear your description. And the words you use I want you to find in the biblical description.
Bottom line how could Yeshua be the real Son of Yahweh if it was not sex. Pretty much any other explanation would make Yeshua a creation, not a Son,
False beliefs can skew the meaning of the scriptures. Many Christians believe that sex is dirty, nasty, sinful, and of the devil, so they think that Yahweh would not have sex, even though He created sex. LOL Could it be part of Yahweh's reconciliation with mankind? Yeshua could have appeared any number of ways but Yeshua chose that it would be by Him having a begotten Son. If you are confused about what begotten means and its significance, go look it up.
Yeshua was conceived from Yahweh seed....His real Son. Now how that seed fertilized Miriam's egg, we do not know for sure. But sex is definitely not ruled out by the scriptures.
David in NJ
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Sex would need be physical whereby Mary's hymen would be broken open and she would no longer be a virgin and thus the Scripture would found to be in error and a win-win for Satan.
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
22So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying:
23“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
Grailhunter
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Behold the virgin be with child.....That was talking about Isaiah wife and virgin could mean a woman that had not had a child. The words conceived, pregnant, and begotten and son have meanings. And to be the Son of Yahweh He had to be begotten of Yahweh.
The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. Luke 1:35
Still most every reference points to sex.
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