amigo de christo
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any guesses on what they will be told BY JESUS HIMSELF .
Depart from me i never knew you , who worked INQUITY . And much wailing shall be heard .
Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?
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Depart from me i never knew you , who worked INQUITY . And much wailing shall be heard .
Agreed.
Yahweh is a good name. The Legacy Standard Bible has retained that name for LORD.
You can't be reformed.
The reformed believe Jesus is God.
You're a mystery Trevor !
I'd like Christianity to remain as it has been.
You're trying to change its very meaning.
When I tell someone I'm Christian...
what I believe should be immediately understood.
Instead we'd have to dig deeper....
This is wrong.
amigo de christo
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Once upon a time there lived a mouse .
this mouse was very hungry and found a cookie jar and lept inside .
Tell me just because the mouse is in a cookie jar , DO that make it a cookie . I TROW NOT .
Nor is a CINO a true christain . Many lips do flap and many things be said by such lips of many
and these many call themselves christain . BUT if one BELEIVES NOT the Words of CHRIST
HE is not OF CHRIST .
A sheep will hear T RUTH and will BELEIVE TRUTH .
Let us always keep that in mind .
And let us know this well , what was written down and recorded for us
by the true church in them gospels and all those letters
revelation and all
IS TRUTH .
yet many seem not to hear but rather to twist
many seem NOT to BELEIVE what is written and YET it IS TRUTH .
ALWAYS remember that .
amigo de christo
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There once dwelt a wolf
and unto a pen of sheep he did come .
And he stood before the pen of sheep
and told them all
IF you promise to let me and my friends within
we promise to be vegeterian .
HOW WELL is that gonna work out for the sheep pen
if they choose to trust in that wolf .
Destruction cometh upon much of christendom
for it opened the door to the wolves by promise
that this is love . wont bode well at the end .
and unto a pen of sheep he did come .
And he stood before the pen of sheep
and told them all
IF you promise to let me and my friends within
we promise to be vegeterian .
HOW WELL is that gonna work out for the sheep pen
if they choose to trust in that wolf .
Destruction cometh upon much of christendom
for it opened the door to the wolves by promise
that this is love . wont bode well at the end .
amigo de christo
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There once dwelt a man who lived in the wilderness .
And many animals he did have and took great care of them all .
When the sick got sick he would even nurse it back to health
and keep it warm in the winter and cool with lots of water in the summer .
He had been warned howe ver by a wise master builder
to beware of the snakes living in the land .
So always was the man careful to heed such instruction .
One day as he was walking about his land
he saw a wounded snake . And He said hey little fellow
what be the matter with you .
To which the serpent said , I am wounded and weary and i hear tale
that you love and take care of the animals of the land .
To which the man said , but alas i was warned about the snakes .
TO which the serpent said , look at me , i can barely move
and i have heard tale that you were given instruction by the wise master to take good care of the animals of your land .
Am i not an aminal and am i not in need .
So the man then carries the wounded snake home.
He puts him in a small bed and ensures the snake has plenty of food and water .
Day by day he and the snake talk and become as friends .
Then one day the serpent says can you please get me out of this box
for i am cramped and weary . You have done me much good
and i am ready to return to the wilderness .
So the man takes the box with the snake . The snake says you may release me
where you found me . So the man goes to the place
where he found him and takes him out of the box .
And for a moment their eyes meet and love seems to be in the air .
TILL SUDDENLY the snake strikes his neck with fierce fangs .
And as the man lie dying he says to the snake , But i cared for you , i took great care of you as though
you were one of my own animals . To which the sepernt said , ALAS you did
BUT DID YOUR wise master not warn you to beware me , I mean , I AM A SNAKE .
CHRISTENDOM better beware with what it has made its bed with my friends . cause at the end it will be their death .
And many animals he did have and took great care of them all .
When the sick got sick he would even nurse it back to health
and keep it warm in the winter and cool with lots of water in the summer .
He had been warned howe ver by a wise master builder
to beware of the snakes living in the land .
So always was the man careful to heed such instruction .
One day as he was walking about his land
he saw a wounded snake . And He said hey little fellow
what be the matter with you .
To which the serpent said , I am wounded and weary and i hear tale
that you love and take care of the animals of the land .
To which the man said , but alas i was warned about the snakes .
TO which the serpent said , look at me , i can barely move
and i have heard tale that you were given instruction by the wise master to take good care of the animals of your land .
Am i not an aminal and am i not in need .
So the man then carries the wounded snake home.
He puts him in a small bed and ensures the snake has plenty of food and water .
Day by day he and the snake talk and become as friends .
Then one day the serpent says can you please get me out of this box
for i am cramped and weary . You have done me much good
and i am ready to return to the wilderness .
So the man takes the box with the snake . The snake says you may release me
where you found me . So the man goes to the place
where he found him and takes him out of the box .
And for a moment their eyes meet and love seems to be in the air .
TILL SUDDENLY the snake strikes his neck with fierce fangs .
And as the man lie dying he says to the snake , But i cared for you , i took great care of you as though
you were one of my own animals . To which the sepernt said , ALAS you did
BUT DID YOUR wise master not warn you to beware me , I mean , I AM A SNAKE .
CHRISTENDOM better beware with what it has made its bed with my friends . cause at the end it will be their death .
No, it doesn’t—that is circular. The word “person” was used as the closest human approximation for what we see in the godhead. Humans are one being, one person, but it is fallacious to conclude that it must necessarily be so for God.
All three are deity; that much you get right. However, there is only one God, as clearly stated from the beginning to the end of the Bible. That is where you continually go wrong. Therefore, the doctrine of the Trinity—three coequal, coeternal, divine “persons;” one being that is God—best takes into account all that is revealed in Scripture.
Tritheism is not even a possibility.
Justin Martyr thought of Jesus as a form of Metatron angel sending the holy spirit due to the Father's word himself. Perhaps, he thought of only 2 powers and that there was when Jesus was not, but he though the classical humanoid gods weren't false, though being human they were.
He was either ditheist at least, or he had compromised his monotheism even more.
Okay, so he was wrong too. The early church wrestled with these things because they were complex, which is why it took so long to develop, or rather discover, the doctrine of the Trinity.
Did they discover or delude themselves? There is only one original idea in the trinity doctrine. The son and Father are 2 different persons. Everything else "orthodox" came from Valentinus.
Grailhunter
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Find the 3 in 1 scriptures.
The Apostles said there was one God.....because they referred to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord. As in....for the love of God and our Lord Jesus Christ. That was their way of noting that both were Gods but Yahweh was unique.
Yeshua said the Father is greater than I and considered Yahweh His God and now He sit on the right of Yahweh and so not in the same seat.
Find the 3 in 1 scriptures.
Discovered. The original ideas in the Trinity are 1) monotheism, 2) the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all distinct, and 3) all three are truly deity, making them coequal and coeternal.
How is a man-god unique? Monotheism excludes gods that can be modeled? gods who can be modeled are not unique.
They said there was one God because there is only one God, as God stated in the OT and Jesus also stated. The apostles were simply repeating the biblical truths they were taught in the Tanakh and by Jesus himself.
They said there is only one God who made everything, but there are other supernatural entities which are by our perspective gods.
How is a God-man not unique? Jesus is and will be the only in the history of creation.
I don’t know what you mean by “modeled.”
um, Zeus, Appollo, Athena, Dionysus etc.
It means there is a geometric form.
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