Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[GodsGrace]

Good grief. The scriptures are full analogies.

I see @Lambano gave you a LIKE, so good to tag him in.

You see Beepster, I've been conversing with @Wrangler for a long time and my comment was meant specifically for him.
Wrangler likes philosophy and he likes analogies.

These don't work well when discussing Theology...neither does talk about philosophy.
Now, we all know that Pastors, Priests and all scholars MUST study some philosophy to fully understand the very complex and detailed religion known as Christianity.

But the best we here on these forums can do is stick to the bible.
Why?
Because Jesus had AUTHORITY when HE preached and taught.

Jesus Himself used analogies like, for instance, when He taught that if a human father could give to HIS children...
how much more will our HEAVENLY FATHER give to us?

I used MANY analogies when teaching children our faith so that they could understand complex issues.

For US to use analogies just takes us down rabbit holes -
following those that cannot explain one verse or another,
or are receiving pushback on some verse.

So yes, I will not be following anyone down any rabbit holes.
But others could do as they wish and feel comfortable with.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again GodsGrace,

Psalm 110:1 the LORD said to my Lord....
Who is David speaking to?

The words of the Psalm have been spoken or written by David, but in verse 1 Yahweh is speaking to David's Lord.

Who is David's Lord?

Jesus. Although written in the past tense, it is a prophecy of events that would happen after the crucifixion, death, resurrection and exaltation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Lambano]

But I will repeat:
THERE IS ONLY ONE YAWEH.

Father is YAWEH.
Son is YAWEH.
Holy Ghost is YAWEH.

Psalm 110:1

the LORD said to my Lord....

Who is David speaking to?
Who is David's Lord?

The Father's Name is YHWH
The Son's name is Jesus
The Holy Ghost has no personal name
The Psalm makes sense if you understand these principles.

The Triune Godhead cannot properly be thought of as a single person (though we do it anyway; a de factor fourth person) and thus cannot be referred to by a single personal name.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Question:

WHO is the ME in Isaiah 45:23

WHO is Paul speaking of in Philippians 2:10

To proclaim the name of another is to declare and rehearse that person’s attributes, and so it is with God (Exodus 34:5–7; 23:21). Jesus is invested with the authority of his Father because he has fully manifested the Father’s character. The name of Yahweh has been developed in the Son, and to be “in” the name of Yahweh is to be “in” the Lord Jesus Christ (cf. 1 Thessalonians 1:1; Romans 14:11–12).

As it is written: “May his name endure forever; may it continue as long as the sun. All nations will be blessed through him, and they will call him blessed.”

"and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" Php 2:11.

It’s possible, GC, that you may never allow yourself to see the truth. You may need to accept that the deception runs too deep and is too deeply rooted in your thinking for the truth to take hold.

 

[Lambano]

These don't work well when discussing Theology...neither does talk about philosophy.

Theology is just a subset of Philosophy. And Jesus used analogies all the time.

Again He asked, "To what can I compare the kingdom of God? (Luke 13:20)

 

[HealthyShape]

None of these verses contain a Trinitarian formula. While Jesus is shown to be perfected and justified by the Spirit, it’s easy to see how later readers constructed non-biblical notions from these texts.

God cannot grant life to God , only mortals receive eternal life from the Uncreated One.

Who said these verses contain a Trinitarian formula? Trinitarian formula is a theological summary of the apostolic and biblical teachings about the nature of God.

What you think God can and cannot grant is irrelevant. This is Christian board, so Christianity is relevant, here.

 

[HealthyShape]

The Father's Name is YHWH
The Son's name is Jesus
The Holy Ghost has no personal name

In the Old Testament, YHWH is in multiple persons in several places. Or YHWH and God etc.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Who said these verses contain a Trinitarian formula? Trinitarian formula is a theological summary of the apostolic and biblical teachings about the nature of God.

Does this bring you comfort?

What you think God can and cannot grant is irrelevant. This is Christian board, so Christianity is relevant, here.

You have no credibility when it comes to discerning what is truly Christian and what is not. You rely on a man-made summary about the nature of God yet show no understanding of the true nature of the Lord Jesus Christ in his agony in the flesh. Don’t claim knowledge of apostolic teaching on Christ’s nature when you have nothing to substantiate hypostasis beyond doctrinal assertions.

 

[HealthyShape]

You have no credibility when it comes to discerning what is truly Christian and what is not.

That is why I stick to orthodoxy and to the apostolic church and the Bible. If you want to create your own religion, you are free to do so, but do not participate in Christians Only forums. You may only ask questions, but you are not allowed to dispute Trinity, here.

 

[Lambano]

In the Old Testament, YHWH is in multiple persons in several places. Or YHWH and God etc.

Show me.

 

[Hiddenthings]

That is why I stick to orthodoxy and to the apostolic church and the Bible. If you want to create your own religion, you are free to do so, but do not participate in Christians Only forums.

You stick to the traditions of men, and you know not the original Gospel of God as taught by the Apostles. The irony in your comment I hope will one day be shown you. Patience!

 

[JLB]

The Father's Name is YHWH

Jesus Christ is YHWH.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10


The Son is called God.

The Son is called LORD; YHWH

 

[Lambano]

Many of your posts sound like poetry.

Doggerel:

noun​

1. Crudely or irregularly fashioned verse, often of a humorous or burlesque nature.
2. A sort of loose or irregular verse; mean or undignified poetry.
3. A doggerel poem or verse.

 

[JLB]

The Triune Godhead cannot properly be thought of as a single person (though we do it anyway; a de factor fourth person) and thus cannot be referred to by a single personal name.

For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; Colossians 2:9


Who is “Him” in this scripture.


Who are the members of the Godhead?

 

[HealthyShape]

Show me.

For example:

I overthrew you, as God overthrew Sodoma and Gomorrha, and ye became as a brand plucked out of the fire: yet not even thus did ye return to me, says Yahweh.
Am 4:11 (Yahweh is talking about God in the third person)

For many other examples and context, you can watch this:

 

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus Christ is YHWH.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10


The Son is called God.

The Son is called LORD; YHWH

There is some uncertainty regarding the precise translation of this verse. Two possibilities are commonly offered:

• “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever”
• “God is thy throne for ever and ever”

Which do you choose? Which is consistent with the majority of NT writers?

Since only the first rendering supports a Trinitarian reading, it is often assumed to be the correct translation.

But I have no issue with Jesus being called God because I understand 1 Tim 3:16 and many other verses like it:

1 Timothy 3:16 “Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He (God) was manifested in the flesh (Christ), vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Study God Manifestation and the truth will be revealed to you!

Few clues there for you to follow

 

[JLB]

Jesus was not possessed by the devil or Satan, but was possessed by God. Therefore, he manifested the image of God. Can this be understood in this way?The father is in me.

Why you always thinking about the another way and against all other verse in the Bible?

If you always think Jesus Christ is God,It makes the God as a liar, he cheated all of us.....

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16


Who was manifested in the flesh, the Father or the Son?

 

[JLB]

Not a very good translation....

How do other translations render that verse? There is quite a variety.

Other translations of 1 Tim 3:16

In the Interlinear (original Greek) there is no “God”.....and there is no “He”, rendering that verse without identifying the subject directly.

bible hub Interlinear

But, it is directly talking about “godliness” that was mysteriously revealed in Jesus Christ...the only sinless human born of woman mentioned in the whole Bible...that is what this verse is about....it is not identifying Jesus as “God”....it is describing the “godliness” of the Christ, Jesus.

Can you answer the question?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16


Who was manifested in the flesh, the Father or the Son?

 

[Lambano]

Jesus Christ is YHWH.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10


The Son is called God.

The Son is called LORD; YHWH

Not convincing. The verses 8 and 9 are quoting Psalm 45:6-7, which says that the Anointed One's (Hebrew Messiah, Greek Christus) scepter comes from God. YHWH's name is not mentioned in the quoted verses.

Verse 10 (through 12) is part of a different quote, Psalm 102, which states that YHWH and His plan are unchanging.

 

[JLB]

There is some uncertainty regarding the precise translation of this verse. Two possibilities are commonly offered:

• “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever”
• “God is thy throne for ever and ever”

Which do you choose? Which is consistent with the majority of NT writers?

Since only the first rendering supports a Trinitarian reading, it is often assumed to be the correct translation.

But I have no issue with Jesus being called God because I understand 1 Tim 3:16 and many other verses like it:

1 Timothy 3:16 “Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He (God) was manifested in the flesh (Christ), vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Study God Manifestation and the truth will be revealed to you!

Few clues there for you to follow

No clues, just plain and undeniable truth.

Those who deny the truth, and do not love the truth will find themselves crossways with God.


And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12




Jesus Christ is YHWH.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10


The Son is called God.

The Son is called LORD; YHWH