I SEE TWO CHURCHES IN ACTS 15

[David in NJ]

Then how can Paul say the gospel was a mystery?
How could they preach Paul's gospel if it was hid in God which Paul said was not made known until NOW made known?
[Ephesians 3:5 KJV] "Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;"

Simple = God preached a Mystery called the Gospel = Proverbs 25:2 & Hebrews 3:5 & Hebrews 4:1-2

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter,
But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Now Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house, testifying to what would be spoken later.

Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it.
For we also received the Gospel just as they did; but the message/Gospel they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it.

 

[Doug]

Simple = God preached a Mystery called the Gospel = Proverbs 25:2 & Hebrews 3:5 & Hebrews 4:1-2

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter,
But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Now Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house, testifying to what would be spoken later.

Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it.
For we also received the Gospel just as they did; but the message/Gospel they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it.

This doesnt answer Ephesians 3:5 where Paul says the mystery was NOW made known not before

 

[David in NJ]

This doesnt answer Ephesians 3:5 where Paul says the mystery was NOW made known not before

The Scriptures i gave you VALIDATE Paul's writings/letters.

Without Genesis there is no Gospel

 

[Doug]

Without Genesis there is no Gospel

I agree that the gospel was preached in Genesis. Paul calls it the gospel of God and affirms prior gospels. The problem is Genesis says nothing about the cross, his death and resurrection. It is the start of the progressive revelation of his salvation but the mystery of Paul's gospel isnt found in Genesis. Our gospel in this dispensation was only revealed to Paul.

 

[David in NJ]

I agree that the gospel was preached in Genesis. Paul calls it the gospel of God and affirms prior gospels. The problem is Genesis says nothing about the cross, his death and resurrection. It is the start of the progressive revelation of his salvation but the mystery of Paul's gospel isnt found in Genesis. Our gospel in this dispensation was only revealed to Paul.

The Cross is in Genesis = JESUS quoted it

 

[Doug]

The Cross is in Genesis = JESUS quoted it

Where do you see the cross stated in Genesis?
Please dont tell me to google it

 

[amigo de christo]

The Righteousness of GOD is a Mystery = 1 Timothy 3:16

The Gospel was preached by God in Genesis chapters 2 & 3

Then God preached the Gospel thru Abel

Then God preached the Gospel thru Enoch

Then God preached the Gospel thru Noah

Then God preached the Gospel thru Job

Then God preached the Gospel thru Abraham

Then God preached the Gospel thru Moses

Then God preached the Gospel thru the OT prophets

FINALITY of the Gospel preached and Demonstrated by/in CHRIST

This FINALITY was Given to the Apostles = and to us who KNOW HIM

What were and was the KEY thing . TO BELEIVE GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

The twelve only preached to believe in his name not the cross
Only Paul preaches that Christ died and rose for all Not just Israel
Only Paul preached salvation by faith in Christ alone without the law without covenants without going thru Israel

kinda odd .
WHEN EVEN JESUS himself had told the twelve
Any man who picks not UP HIS CROSS and follows me .
Friend you been heeding men for far too long . they have led you astray .
Seeing i noticed how huge you are on how the gentiles are to treat israel
AS IF THAT IS our salvation
I just wonder HOW you view T rump and kushner and the POPES PEACE PLAN , THE UN peace plan
SEEING THEY ALL do the same agenda .
You need serious help my friend .

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Dear Ga, are you my Brother or Sister in Christ?

Precious friend, not too sure yet, so just one more Bible study to find out, eh?:

BIBLE CONTRASTS Why All These Differences? cc @Doug and:

any other diligent students of God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, are Invited to Enjoy!

Ga (aka Saint Christopher E)

Amen.

 

[amigo de christo]

Dear Ga, are you my Brother or Sister in Christ?

The cost has always been the cost
and it will only be a greater one for sheep like me .
The more i warn and expose the more i will be hated by those i only desired good for .
MAY GOD ALL MIGHTY HIS CHRIST JESUS be glorified in all i do and say and may souls be saved .
The more i have loved the more i have been hated .
I am for peace , the true peace OF GOD , but when i speak THEY are for war .
This world will end david . In a day and in an hour known to no man
THE END will come .
ON the DAY OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and OF THE LAMB
when all stand before him as a goat or a sheep
Just remember WHO i pointed too . There was never any good in me , CEPT THE GOODNESS OF GOD , HIS SPIRIT .
But this whore loving ecumenical loving has hated BOTH GOD and HIS WORD .
And have rejected THE LOVE OF GOD in favor OF THE HARLOTS LOVE cup of f ornication .
REMEMBER this day my friend .
ITS GONNA only get worse for men like me david . BUT i had ra ther suffer whatever GOD allowed to come against me
Whether it be prison and death , than to have even sniffed the CUP OF A WHORE . You remember this day my friend .
SHEEP dont sell the TRUTH . SHEEP by the SPIRIT OF GOD have LOVE FOR TRUTH upon our hearts . FOR GOD IS TRUTH .
HIS WORD is T RUTH , SPIRIT IS TRUTH , HIS LOVE REJOICES IN TRUTH . HIS EVERY WORD TRUTH .
No matter how much longer i have or dont have in this world matters not . what matters is
WE BELEIVED GOD not man .

 

[LoveYeshua]

The mystery wasnt that Gentiles would be saved, they always could be saved thru Israel. The mystery was they would be included along with Israel in the newly formed body of Christ and be one new man

That statement is not correct.
Gentiles were not only “saved through Israel” as outsiders waiting on the edge. God included Gentiles directly from the very beginning, even in the Old Testament. remember Doug Man wad made in gods Image, why would he discriminate?

From the start, God’s plan was never Israel only.

God told Abraham before Israel even existed:

“In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 22:18 (ASV)

Not Israel alone.
Not later.
All nations.

That means Gentiles were always part of God’s promise, not an afterthought.

When Israel came out of Egypt, Gentiles were already included:

“And a mixed multitude went up also with them”
Exodus 12:38

God did not remove them. God did not reject them. They came under God’s protection and law.
God Himself said Gentiles could belong to Him fully:
“One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.”
Exodus 12:49
Same law. Same God. No second-class people.

God repeats this again through Moses:

“The LORD your God… loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.”
Deuteronomy 10:17–19
God does not “love from a distance.” Love means covenant care.

The prophets are even clearer. Isaiah says Gentiles who serve the Lord will be accepted:
“Also the foreigners that join themselves to the LORD… even them will I bring to my holy mountain.”
Isaiah 56:6–7

God says My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples, not Israel only.

That is Old Testament. No Paul. No church language.

Jesus confirms this exact truth.

Jesus said: “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and they shall become one flock, one shepherd.”
John 10:16 (ASV)

Jesus does not say “they will join later.” He says they belong to Him already.

Jesus also said many Gentiles would enter the Kingdom while Israelites would be cast out:
“Many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham… but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast forth.”Matthew 8:11–12

Gentiles are not guests. They sit with Abraham.

So the claim that Gentiles were only added later as a “new idea” is false. The truth is simple:

Israel was chosen to carry the light, not to own it.
Gentiles were always in God’s plan.
Always promised.
Always invited.
Always judged by the same God.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I agree that the gospel was preached in Genesis. Paul calls it the gospel of God and affirms prior gospels. The problem is Genesis says nothing about the cross, his death and resurrection. It is the start of the progressive revelation of his salvation but the mystery of Paul's gospel isnt found in Genesis. Our gospel in this dispensation was only revealed to Paul.

All you say here about Jesus, his death and resurrection was already revealed in the O.T and by Jesus himself, dispensation was an invention of men, I have explained this to you already but you wont listen, Jesus our Lord is the light of the world, no one else has the words that brings eternal life, please Listen to Him and Follow Him and all will become clear to you.

 

[amigo de christo]

That statement is not correct.
Gentiles were not only “saved through Israel” as outsiders waiting on the edge. God included Gentiles directly from the very beginning, even in the Old Testament. remember Doug Man wad made in gods Image, why would he discriminate?

From the start, God’s plan was never Israel only.

God told Abraham before Israel even existed:

“In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 22:18 (ASV)

Not Israel alone.
Not later.
All nations.

That means Gentiles were always part of God’s promise, not an afterthought.

When Israel came out of Egypt, Gentiles were already included:

“And a mixed multitude went up also with them”
Exodus 12:38

God did not remove them. God did not reject them. They came under God’s protection and law.
God Himself said Gentiles could belong to Him fully:
“One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.”
Exodus 12:49
Same law. Same God. No second-class people.

God repeats this again through Moses:

“The LORD your God… loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.”
Deuteronomy 10:17–19
God does not “love from a distance.” Love means covenant care.

The prophets are even clearer. Isaiah says Gentiles who serve the Lord will be accepted:
“Also the foreigners that join themselves to the LORD… even them will I bring to my holy mountain.”
Isaiah 56:6–7

God says My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples, not Israel only.

That is Old Testament. No Paul. No church language.

Jesus confirms this exact truth.

Jesus said: “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and they shall become one flock, one shepherd.”
John 10:16 (ASV)

Jesus does not say “they will join later.” He says they belong to Him already.

Jesus also said many Gentiles would enter the Kingdom while Israelites would be cast out:
“Many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham… but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast forth.”Matthew 8:11–12

Gentiles are not guests. They sit with Abraham.

So the claim that Gentiles were only added later as a “new idea” is false. The truth is simple:

Israel was chosen to carry the light, not to own it.
Gentiles were always in God’s plan.
Always promised.
Always invited.
Always judged by the same God.

The promised seed IS JESUS THE GLORIOUS CHRIST my friend .
Salvation is of the jews. FOR accoding to the flesh lineage THAT was the lineage that HE who was before even abraham
was came of , as DID THE TORAH and Prophets surely point too .
OH yes . There is one thing that God desired . And even in abraham was it counted to him as righteousness .
BELIEVE GOD , FAITH IN HIM .
Now h ad eve and adam chosen to beleive HIM rather than the serpent . ............
BELEIVE . verily verily i say unto thee unless a man become as a child
faith as a c hild
B elieve as a ch ild .
ITS ALL about BELIEVING GOD .
And now a word . HAD one b eleiv ed GOD, T HEY H AD BELIEVED JESUS THE CHRIST .
For HE did not speak of himself , THE FATHER gives me what to say and to do .
THE WORD of GOD all mighty did bec ome flesh .
And this whore loving ecumincal harlot embrac ing generation BETTER FLEE that WHORE fas t
and come running to the REAL JESUS THE CHRIST . Just a friendly reminder for us all .

 

[LoveYeshua]

The promised seed IS JESUS THE GLORIOUS CHRIST my friend .
Salvation is of the jews. FOR accoding to the flesh lineage THAT was the lineage that HE who was before even abraham
was came of , as DID THE TORAH and Prophets surely point too .
OH yes . There is one thing that God desired . And even in abraham was it counted to him as righteousness .
BELIEVE GOD , FAITH IN HIM .
Now h ad eve and adam chosen to beleive HIM rather than the serpent . ............
BELEIVE . verily verily i say unto thee unless a man become as a child
faith as a c hild
B elieve as a ch ild .
ITS ALL about BELIEVING GOD .
And now a word . HAD one b eleiv ed GOD, T HEY H AD BELIEVED JESUS THE CHRIST .
For HE did not speak of himself , THE FATHER gives me what to say and to do .
THE WORD of GOD all mighty did bec ome flesh .
And this whore loving ecumincal harlot embrac ing generation BETTER FLEE that WHORE fas t
and come running to the REAL JESUS THE CHRIST . Just a friendly reminder for us all .

The promised Seed is Jesus Christ.
He is the one God promised from the beginning.

Salvation is called “of the Jews” because Jesus came through the Jewish people according to the flesh. The Law and the Prophets pointed to Him. Yet Jesus existed before Abraham, and He came for the whole world.

Abraham was counted righteous because he believed God. This shows us something very important. God desires faith. He desires trust in Him.

Jesus also taught that we must become like children. A child trusts simply, without pride or pretending. This kind of faith is precious to God.

From the beginning, believing God has always mattered. If Adam and Eve had trusted God instead of the serpent, things would have been different. Their failure was not just unbelief, but choosing not to obey what God clearly said.

To believe God is to listen to Him. And to truly believe Jesus is to listen to His words, because He spoke what the Father gave Him to say. The Word of God became flesh in Jesus Christ.

True faith is not only words or feelings. It is shown by hearing God’s word and living by it. Jesus said that those who love Him will keep His word.

God is patient and kind, and He calls us to walk in truth with humility and love. May we all turn our hearts fully to Jesus Christ, trust Him simply, and follow His words faithfully.

Blessings and as you say, to the trenches!

 

[Marvelloustime]

The cost has always been the cost
and it will only be a greater one for sheep like me .
The more i warn and expose the more i will be hated by those i only desired good for .
MAY GOD ALL MIGHTY HIS CHRIST JESUS be glorified in all i do and say and may souls be saved .
The more i have loved the more i have been hated .
I am for peace , the true peace OF GOD , but when i speak THEY are for war .
This world will end david . In a day and in an hour known to no man
THE END will come .
ON the DAY OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and OF THE LAMB
when all stand before him as a goat or a sheep
Just remember WHO i pointed too . There was never any good in me , CEPT THE GOODNESS OF GOD , HIS SPIRIT .
But this whore loving ecumenical loving has hated BOTH GOD and HIS WORD .
And have rejected THE LOVE OF GOD in favor OF THE HARLOTS LOVE cup of f ornication .
REMEMBER this day my friend .
ITS GONNA only get worse for men like me david . BUT i had ra ther suffer whatever GOD allowed to come against me
Whether it be prison and death , than to have even sniffed the CUP OF A WHORE . You remember this day my friend .
SHEEP dont sell the TRUTH . SHEEP by the SPIRIT OF GOD have LOVE FOR TRUTH upon our hearts . FOR GOD IS TRUTH .
HIS WORD is T RUTH , SPIRIT IS TRUTH , HIS LOVE REJOICES IN TRUTH . HIS EVERY WORD TRUTH .
No matter how much longer i have or dont have in this world matters not . what matters is
WE BELEIVED GOD not man .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

they receieved not the love of THE TRUTH whereby they might be Saved . and thus a delusion is sent to believe a lie .
And how much do you bet the lie DENIES the dire need TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
and rather merges all religions as one by cliam we all serve the same GOD . AS ONE peoples
Much like the days OF NIMROD .
Seems to me a big delusio n is at work
and the false religions are buying into it as well as the decieved within christendom .
Guess what the false religoins and the decieved within christendom have in common .
TEHY ALL DECIEVED and do follow the same god . ONLY do i need to explain to you why that god was not
and shall not and will not be capitlized on my watch , by my tongue or fingers .
cause IT AINT GOD . its all delusion and that which is of anti christ
to lead the decieved of this world to be as one with one purpose they all beleive will usher in upon them all
The g reat and might day of PEACE N SAFETY .
Kinda like king ahab , whose heeded the false prophets , who all were under a LYING SPIRIT sent by GOD
to decieve him to Go up and be destroyed .
THIS IS NO diffferent and its end will not be peace n safety , BUT SUDDEN destruction ,as in THEIR OWN .
love a lie and pay the price . TIME to BUY the TRUTH and sell HER NOT .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

they receieved not the love of THE TRUTH whereby they might be Saved . and thus a delusion is sent to believe a lie .
And how much do you bet the lie DENIES the dire need TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
and rather merges all religions as one by cliam we all serve the same GOD . AS ONE peoples
Much like the days OF NIMROD .
Seems to me a big delusio n is at work
and the false religions are buying into it as well as the decieved within christendom .
Guess what the false religoins and the decieved within christendom have in common .
TEHY ALL DECIEVED and do follow the same god . ONLY do i need to explain to you why that god was not
and shall not and will not be capitlized on my watch , by my tongue or fingers .
cause IT AINT GOD . its all delusion and that which is of anti christ
to lead the decieved of this world to be as one with one purpose they all beleive will usher in upon them all
The g reat and might day of PEACE N SAFETY .
Kinda like king ahab , whose heeded the false prophets , who all were under a LYING SPIRIT sent by GOD
to decieve him to Go up and be destroyed .
THIS IS NO diffferent and its end will not be peace n safety , BUT SUDDEN destruction ,as in THEIR OWN .
love a lie and pay the price . TIME to BUY the TRUTH and sell HER NOT .

@amigo de christo

 

[David in NJ]

Where do you see the cross stated in Genesis?
Please dont tell me to google it

@GRACE ambassador = pay FULL attention to God's Word who Spoke from Genesis to us

Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?
Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

 

[Doug]

That statement is not correct.

Gentiles were strangers from Israel.

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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