Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[Hiddenthings]

You're not a smart guy Hidden.
Have you noticed that members have stopped posting to me just now?
Know why?
Because when a gal is as upset as I am right now at the stupidity going no in this thread...

guys are smart enough to keep away.

It would be a good lesson for you to learn, since it seems as though you don't know about it yet.

And to say IF I study church history is condescending.

Being condescending to a person is not very nice.
Do you do this in real life too or just here because you're not standing in front of me?

If your smart, you won't reply.

Calling someone “not smart,” assuming motives, or issuing challenges like “if you’re smart, you won’t reply” isn’t exactly modeling the respect you’re asking for.

If you understood doctrinal development you could not possibly say the things you say.

Hope your day improves!

 

[GodsGrace]

Calling someone “not smart,” assuming motives, or issuing challenges like “if you’re smart, you won’t reply” isn’t exactly modeling the respect you’re asking for.

If you understood doctrinal development you could not possibly say the things you say.

Hope your day improves!

Just as I thought.
Not the brightest bulb in the lot.

Did I say not smart?
I believe I used the term DUMB and STUPID in some of these very recent posts.

And You THINK I require YOUR respect?
That's sweet.

And please do post where I requested your respect.

And AGAIN with the IF....
IF I understood doctrinal development.
That's sweet.

What do YOU know what I know?
Did You and I ever DISCUSS doctrinal development?
I DON'T THINK SO....
Would you like to dicuss infant baptism?
Maybe you'd like to discuss confession of sins?
How about the will of man?
or even better, the will/wills of Jesus.
Does Jesus have ONE WILL or TWO WILLS?
Is Jesus ONE PERSON or TWO PERSONS?

My day doesn't need to improve.
Because it's not day here - do you notice ANYTHING?

And my day does not depend on anything here.
But it's time to call some of you out due to your total lack of knowledge.
Including knowledge of the Christian Religion.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Just as I thought.
Not the brightest bulb in the lot.

Did I say not smart?
I believe I used the term DUMB and STUPID in some of these very recent posts.

And You THINK I require YOUR respect?
That's sweet.

And please do post where I requested your respect.

And AGAIN with the IF....
IF I understood doctrinal development.
That's sweet.

What do YOU know what I know?
Did You and I ever DISCUSS doctrinal development?
I DON'T THINK SO....
Would you like to dicuss infant baptism?
Maybe you'd like to discuss confession of sins?
How about the will of man?
or even better, the will/wills of Jesus.
Does Jesus have ONE WILL or TWO WILLS?
Is Jesus ONE PERSON or TWO PERSONS?

My day doesn't need to improve.
Because it's not day here - do you notice ANYTHING?

And my day does not depend on anything here.
But it's time to call some of you out due to your total lack of knowledge.
Including knowledge of the Christian Religion.

This is full of insults, and engaging with you is pointless. I’d honestly get more rational conversation from my coffee cup. Come to think of it it's time for a refill!

 

[Taken]

One name for one God. See Ex 3:15.

15God also said to Moses, “Say this to the children of Israel: ‘Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered for generation after generation.

Ex 6:
[3] And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Pss 83:
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isa 62:
[4] Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

Pss 68:
[4] Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.

Ex 3:
[13] And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
[14] And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Isa 41:
[4] Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isa 48:
[12] Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Ezek 13:
[9] And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Ezek 23:
[49] And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Ezek 24:
[24] Thus Ezekiel is unto you a sign: according to all that he hath done shall ye do: and when this cometh, ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Ezek 28:
[24] And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

Ezek 29:
[16] And it shall be no more the confidence of the house of Israel, which bringeth their iniquity to remembrance, when they shall look after them: but they shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

John 13:
[13] Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

John 13:
[19] Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

Rev 4:
[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Heb 1:
[8] But unto the Son he (God) saith, Thy (Son) throne, O God,(Son) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy (Son) kingdom.

Knowledge OF God is given men, little by little, bit by bit.

Before God gives His Knowledge to men, it is secret, unto God.
After Gods Knowledge is Given men, it is For Men to “freely Believe… or Not”.

God appeared to men, in the Likeness AS a man…to Teach, stiffed necked, stubborn men… How TO BECOME MADE IN Gods Likeness.

Humans came forth from Dust of the Earth.
Jesus came forth out from God.

Who can come forth out from God, but God Himself? ( Gods voice, Gods word, Gods Power, Gods Knowledge, Gods Truth, Gods Wisdom, Gods Spirit, Gods Life…)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Aunty Jane]

I did not expect that a Jehovah Witness, who actually has no business to be active in Christians only section of this forums, would accept that Jesus is God. You will rather try to delete the verses from the Bible, as your New World translation does and based upon similarly bad and ignorant/uneducated arguments you are presenting.

Case closed...or mind closed? The mind is a gateway to the heart....a closed mind results in a closed heart.

Present your evidence rather than unsubstantiated claims....believe it or not I was raised in Christendom and because they had no answers to my many questions, blind faith was not sitting too well with me. So I investigated the Bible for myself and found that your “Orthodox” Christianity wasn’t even close to Christ’s original teachings....I saw the Bible itself demolish all of their doctrines, giving me a big picture that was never offered to me in “church”.

I was like you once...I never heard a good thing about Jehovah’s Witnesses, so they were the last people I thought of as those with Scriptural truth (John 15:18-21).....It wasn’t until I left the church system after unsuccessful excursions into many denominations and alternatives, that I opened the door to two ladies who had a Bible in their hands. My reception was polite but rather sarcastic as by then I was done with Christendom. I asked them a question that I though they could not answer.....“what happens to us when we die?......expecting the usual platitudes, so I could send them away.....but to my complete surprise, they asked me if I had a Bible and would I like to go and get it so that they could show me what it said about death and where the dead go.

My Bible was a little KJV given to me by my grandmother when I was 10 years old. What they showed me was astounding! I had never heard anything like this in my life, having been raised with an indelible belief in immortality of the soul....I found out that there is no such thing taught in the Bible. My curiosity was piqued....what else had I been taught that wasn’t true? It was a life changing journey of discovery that left me hungry for more....nothing was extra-biblical....nothing came from assumptions based on poorly translated Scripture. The whole Bible was used to supply firmly based Scriptural answers with no contradictions.
They taught me how to study the Bible, not just to read it blindly....and accept everything at face value.

I studied for two whole years before I dedicated myself to God (Yahweh/ Jehovah) as a disciple of his Christ.

But the orthodox Christianity and the standard Bible teaches that Jesus is God. Case closed.

Are you a supporter of the “orthodox” medical system? Do you blindly listen and follow the doctor’s advice when he wants you to take a pile of pills that have so many side effects, that you wonder when it’s ever going to make you well?

What do we see in people who have serious medical issues? How many of them are ever cured of what ails them? The medical system has become a money-making racket, but people still believe what doctors tell them and follow along even when their bodies are telling them that they are merely existing, not living.

A lot of people are now waking up to the deception......these medical corporations aren’t interested in cures...only in treatments to manage symptoms while they extract every last cent they can out of you...so, many are opting for natural remedies once touted by the medical establishment as quackery.....we now know who the real quacks are...and that God’s pharmacy provided all we need to remain as healthy as life in this world can be.

This world is controlled by the devil so what do we expect that he is going to do? Deception is his stock in trade...everything is made to look authentic to the uneducated but it’s all fake, usually with a bad outcome.
All are under his control...corrupt politics...greedy commercialism....and false religion....with this ‘trinity’ he rules “the whole world”. (1 John 5:19)

Do you think our spiritual life is untouched? Or would that be his first target? What does the history of the Jews teach us? There is your model...Jesus foretold this. History can only repeat if humans don’t learn the lessons of the past.....it seems that they never do.

 

[Gottservant]

In response to the OP:

Can you eat an egg, and not believe in the shell, yolk and white?

 

[Wrangler]

My Bible was a little KJV given to me by my grandmother when I was 10 years old.

I imagine it has sentimental value.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I imagine it has sentimental value.

I still have it , though not in its original condition, (it’s 67 years old) and there is a tremendous emotional attachment to it, especially when it was the Bible I used to study in my twenties.

I got the truth from the KJV! A Bible I would never recommend for any new Bible student as the archaic English and translations are not entirely accurate, but still God revealed his truth to me.....
One that I can now pass on to anyone who wants to know what it teaches.

 

[Hillsage]

Well in this case it means individual.

I'm not following you.
Also sorry this post is so late and I'm also sorry that the thread is speeding so fast, but I can't live so much, in the ether church.

Yes were talking about Yeshua saying He was a God.....
The Apostles usually referred to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord. In the case above doubt Thomas realized He was a God.

Was it Yeshua /Jesus who said Pharisee's are GOD'S?

JOH 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?
35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken),
36 Do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

Was this, Yeshua also saying He wasn't GOD.....But He was "the SON OF GOD".....just like "Adam was the SON OF GOD"?
Do you believe that Adam was GOD?

LUK 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, the son of God.

LOL It might surprise you to know that the names of God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is not in the Bible.

So how did you get "saved"?

ACT 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Especially since Jesus saaid:
REV 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And nothing can be translated to Jesus, for one thing no one knows where it came from. No J's in the scriptures and where the name Jesus came from is anyone's guess.

l've recently learned that Jesus probably didn't normally speak Hebrew, along with most of the Jews. They spoke Aramaic, just like the Magi who were decedents of Abraham. Aramaic was dominant over Hebrew from 4th century BC until 7 century AD in Israel.

 

[CTK]

Before the birth of Christ there was The Father, The Holy Spirit Power, The Angelic Host.

Let me instruct you on the later.

“Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.” (Exodus 23:21, ESV)

This single statement “My name is in him” is one of the most profound declarations in all of Scripture. It tells us that God placed His own divine authority, character, and purpose within the one He sent before Israel. In Hebrew thought, the Name is never a mere label; it represents God’s very being, His power, holiness, and saving intent. To carry God’s Name is to act with God’s full authorization @Lambano.

Here, that authority rested upon the angel of the LORD. He did not operate independently, nor merely as a messenger repeating instructions. He spoke with God’s voice, carried God’s judgment, and demanded obedience because God Himself was present in him. This is why rebellion against this messenger was treated as rebellion against God.

This principle does not stop in Exodus. It unfolds across the entire biblical story.

Israel itself was separated for the Name: “So shall they put my name upon the people of Israel, and I will bless them.” (Numbers 6:27)

Later, James explains that God is gathering a people for His Name (Acts 15:14). And Revelation looks forward to the day when that Name will be written in fullness upon the faithful:

“I will write on him the name of my God.” (Revelation 3:12)

The trajectory is clear: God places His Name first on a messenger, then on a people, and ultimately on those who overcome.

But the center of this revelation is Christ.

Jesus explicitly said: “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me.” (John 17:6)

“I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known.” (John 17:26)

Christ did not merely speak about God’s Name, He embodied it. Paul confirms this with unmistakable clarity:

“For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell.” (Colossians 1:19) See the issue @Lambano ?
“For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.” (Colossians 2:9)

What was foreshadowed in Exodus, God placing His Name in a sent one, reaches its complete expression in Jesus. The angel bore the Name by delegation; Christ bears it in fullness. He is not simply authorized by God; He is the living manifestation of God’s character, purpose, and saving power in human form.

And remarkably, this is not where it ends.

Paul tells believers that this same fullness is God’s intention for us:

“That you may be filled with all the fullness of God.” (Ephesians 3:19) See the issue @Lambano ????

Just as the Name was in the angel, and just as it dwelt bodily in Christ, so now God works to place His Name upon His people through Christ by the Spirit. We are being shaped into living carriers of that Name, representatives of God’s authority and character in the world.

This reveals a consistent divine pattern:

God places His Name in whom He sends.
God reveals Himself through that vessel/agent.
God then extends that same calling to His people.

So Exodus 23:21 is not an isolated curiosity. It is a cornerstone. It shows us how God works: He does not remain distant. He puts His Name in a messenger, His fullness in His Son, and His life in those who belong to Christ.

To belong to Him, then, is not merely to believe certain doctrines, it is to become a people marked by His Name, transformed by His fullness, and sent in His authority.

That is the true power of “My name is in him.”

Will CTK understand these profound truths?
No...they won’t.

Will @GodsGrace understand them either?
No....they won’t.

Why not?
Because their thinking is already shaped by error, and that misunderstanding spills over into this forum.

Thanks for your response. Are you saying the individual who met with Abraham with the two angels was another angel and not God in the flesh? Are you saying that the individual at the top of Mt. Sinai was not God in the flesh but an angel? Thanks....

 

[Hiddenthings]

Thanks for your response. Are you saying the individual who met with Abraham with the two angels was another angel and not God in the flesh? Are you saying that the individual at the top of Mt. Sinai was not God in the flesh but an angel? Thanks....

If you had NT evidence to support that, then we could have a real conversation. But the angel who bore Yahweh’s name was an Angel of the Lord. Jesus did not yet exist for many centuries, according to the promise.

Just as with Abraham and Isaac, you cannot have a “promised son” who already exists.

Nonsensical to say the least.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Effectively, what you’d have to believe is that God made Abraham wait until Sarah was past childbearing age to receive the promised son, while God Himself showed no patience or longsuffering at all.

@CTK this goes more to knowing who God is and how He works in his creation.

 

[Grailhunter]

JOH 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?
35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken),
36 Do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

You are gods....enigmatic

 

[JLB]

Which is the WHY, when I'm not copying/pasting? (Bullinger's Bible appendix #4) Speaking of or about the Covenant God of Israel?
I phonetically pronounce His name as:
'Yah-uh-'Vay

YHWH

 

[Grailhunter]

So how did you get "saved"?

ACT 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Especially since Jesus saaid:
REV 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Well if you do not believe me check it out.
The only name.....so what does that mean?
I am an educated Theologian so that is how I know their names.
Seek and you will find....

 

[Hillsage]

My lord It was said to Jesus Christ.
My God It was said to God.
If Jesus Christ is the God, Why not just saying that "My lord God" or "my God".

Started to answer this in depth in the last post, but it was already too long.
Question; Do you believe the pharisees were GODs, as "Jesus the Christ" declared them to be?

 

[Grailhunter]

l've recently learned that Jesus probably didn't normally speak Hebrew, along with most of the Jews. They spoke Aramaic, just like the Magi who were decedents of Abraham. Aramaic was dominant over Hebrew from 4th century BC until 7 century AD in Israel.

There is a lot to know about the Magi. The were not a nationality, they were organization. Mainly around Alexandra Egypt and Persa. They were scholars and astronomers and astrologers and were the warriors that were with Melchizedek (their leader) when they helped Abraham beat the armies in Genesis 14 and Hebrews 7. They had a custom of Bread and Wine and baptism. Yeshua was of the Order of Melchizedek. Magi means witch or sorcerer....known as such because they could do things that others could not.

Odds are good that Mary the Magdaline, Lazarus, and his sisters were Magi.

 

[Hillsage]

Well if you do not believe me check it out.
The only name.....so what does that mean?
I am an educated Theologian so that is how I know their names.
Seek and you will find..

"Educated theologians" is what got the church into the mess that it is. I'm feeling LED to pass on those credentials.

 

[Grailhunter]

"Educated theologians" is what got the church into the mess that it is. I'm feeling LED to pass on those credentials.

LOL And ignorance is a better thing? So foolish.

 

[Hiddenthings]

"Educated theologians" is what got the church into the mess that it is. I'm feeling LED to pass on those credentials.

Keep running...like Joseph fleeing Potiphar’s wife!