"Before Abraham Was, I AM"

[MonoBiblical]

It's impossible for people like YOU who have no faith.
Jesus commands us to love our enemies.

Delusional. Did Peter "love" Ananias and Sapphira? He disregarded them.

What are YOU going to tell Him on Judgement Day??
"Sorry, but you gave us a stupid command"?

Sorry but bible translators have mis-rendered my command, and traditionalists have applied the opponent word to persecutors. This suggestion is doable, but the command to consider one another as Christ considered his disciples is past tense at worst.

That doesn't matter because Agape is defined as "love." - not "consideration".

You are simply wrong and without authority. Philo is also defined as love, and more closely follows the English word love.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Delusional. Did Peter "love" Ananias and Sapphira? He disregarded them.

WRONG. - he loved them. He didn’t “disregard” them any more than a parent disregards a disobedient child

It was his duty to scold them. I sure hope you’re NOT a parent . . .

Sorry but bible translators have mis-rendered my command, and traditionalists have applied the opponent word to persecutors. This suggestion is doable, but the command to consider one another as Christ considered his disciples is past tense at worst.
You are simply wrong and without authority. Philo is also defined as love, and more closely follows the English word love.

Nonsense.

You can continue to redefine the word ‘agape’ to YOUR preference – but you’ll STILL be wrong.
The weight of scholarly evidence is against you . . .

Definition of Agape:
Bible
“Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:13).

Cambridge Dictionary
A type of love that is not sexual and is not concerned with yourself; used especially in Christianity to refer to Christian love: Agape is a giving love, entirely unselfish.

AI Definition
Agape (Ancient Greek: ἀγάπη, agapē) refers to the highest, most selfless form of love—unconditional, sacrificial, and voluntary. It is a Greek term highlighting a love that centers on moral preference rather than mere emotion, often described as God's love for humanity. It represents an active, "unconquerable benevolence" aimed at the good of others.

Wikipedia
Agape (/ɑːˈɡɑːpeɪ, ˈɑːɡəˌpeɪ, ˈæɡə-/;[1] from Ancient Greek ἀγάπη (agápē)) is "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for [human beings] and of [human beings] for God".[2] This is in contrast to philia, brotherly love, or philautia, self-love, as it embraces a profound sacrificial love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance.

Love-Agape (Greek Word Study) | Precept Austin

www.preceptaustin.org

Love (26) (agape) is unconditional, sacrificial love and Biblically refers to a love that God is (1Jn 4:8,16),

Online Etymology Dictionary
agape(n.) - c. 1600, from Greek agapē "brotherly love, charity," in Ecclesiastical use "the love of God for man and man for God"

Collins dictionary
Agape
1. the love of God or Christ for humankind
2. the love of Christians for other persons, corresponding to the love of God for humankind
3. unselfish love of one person for another without sexual implications; brotherly love

 

[MonoBiblical]

WRONG. - he loved them. He didn’t “disregard” them any more than a parent disregards a disobedient child

I find your stupidity very stimulating.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I find your stupidity very stimulating.

And your ad hominem attacks are all the proof I need to know that you’ve LOST this debate . . .

 

[MonoBiblical]

And your ad hominem attacks are all the proof I need to know that you’ve LOST this debate . . .

You don't quote any major scholars, and you lamely insist that what happened to Ananias, and Sapphira was consideration and unconditional love. You only think you have won. One should not consider someone or anything that would kill them. Consideration is not unconditional love, nor is worldliness, which is a selfish consideration and not unconditional. Agaping the wicked Israelite world is unconditional love? I trow not.

 

[soberxp]

Before Adam Was image of God., I AM image of God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You don't quote any major scholars,

I quoted SEVERAL scholarly sources. How about Jesus??

John 13:34
“A new command I give you: Love (agape) one another. As I have loved (ag-ap-ah'-o) you, so you must love (agape) one another.

YOU just don’t like being proven WRONG . . .

... and you lamely insist that what happened to Ananias, and Sapphira was consideration and unconditional love.

Peter didn’t kill Ananaias and Sapphira. The Holy Spirit took their lives (Acts 5:1-11).
Excommunication is an act of love.

Paul gives the prescription for unruly congregants:
1 Cor. 5:5
“… hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

You only think you have won. One should not consider someone or anything that would kill them. Consideration is not unconditional love, nor is worldliness, which is a selfish consideration and not unconditional. Agaping the wicked Israelite world is unconditional love? I trow not.

Right – but that’s NOT what ‘Agape‘ means. ‘Consideration’ is not even a secondary definition.

You’re out of your league here . . .

 

[MonoBiblical]

Right – but that’s NOT what ‘Agape‘ means. ‘Consideration’ is not even a secondary definition.

It's the first definition. Why did you use an AI as one of your sources? I suspect you would do anything not to look stupid.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's the first definition.

Not in ANY Greek dictionary or concordance that I know of.

Why did you use an AI as one of your sources? I suspect you would do anything not to look stupid.

AI was one of MANY sources I consulted.

YOU, on the other hand, invent your own definitions . . .

 

[MonoBiblical]

Not in ANY Greek dictionary or concordance that I know of.

There in the NT, are plenty of examples where it isn't conditional love.

AI was one of MANY sources I consulted.

You were desperate, weren't you? It was also lame.
I am not the one pretending love is both consideration and enjoyment of someone else. Disgust can about a good individual, but at least, in your disgust you would be considerate.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There in the NT, are plenty of examples where it isn't conditional love.
You were desperate, weren't you? It was also lame.
I am not the one pretending love is both consideration and enjoyment of someone else. Disgust can about a good individual, but at least, in your disgust you would be considerate.

Greek already has a word for “consider/consideration” – and it’s NOT Agape.
It is theoró (θεωρώ).

Your continued insistence on re-defining Agape just to win an argument is just pathetic . . .

 

[MonoBiblical]

Your continued insistence on re-defining Agape just to win an argument is just pathetic . . .

I am not the one who redefines punishment of the wicked as unconditional [love].

 

[MonoBiblical]

Greek already has a word for “consider/consideration” – and it’s NOT Agape.
It is theoró (θεωρώ).

But agape seems to be way before it, since theoro appears in Modern Greek dictionaries first. Here some help with your defeciency:

θεωρέω, θεωρῶ; imperfect ἐθεώρουν; (future θεωρήσω, John 7:3 T Tr WH); 1 aorist ἐθεώρησα; (θεωρός a spectator, and this from θεάομαι, which see (cf. Vanicek, p. 407; Liddell and Scott, under the word; Allen in the American Journ. of Philol. i., p. 131f)); (from Aeschylus and Herodotus down); the Sept. for רָאָה and Chaldean חָזָה;
1. to he a spectator, look at, behold
2. to see;

Not even close to the modern definition.

 

[Wrangler]

I am not the one who redefines punishment of the wicked as unconditional law.

In exchanges with BoL, you'll get less headaches pounding your head against a wall. A man forced to change his mind is of the same opinion still.

 

[MonoBiblical]

In exchanges with BoL, you'll get less headaches pounding your head against a wall. A man forced to change his mind is of the same opinion still.

I meant love not law. I must be getting a headache.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I am not the one who redefines punishment of the wicked as unconditional [love].

You cannot have true love unless you advocate for justice.
God is love (1 John 1:4-8) – and He is Justice (Psalm 7:11, 89:14) . . .

But agape seems to be way before it, since theoro appears in Modern Greek dictionaries first. Here some heLlp with your defeciency:

Like an angry child throwing blind punches in the dark . . .

 

[MonoBiblical]

You cannot have true love unless you advocate for justice.

Again, agape has nothing to do with true love, or justice. What is agaped determines if someone has good character.

Like an angry child throwing blind punches in the dark . . .

That is, you, since you couldn't even determine which was the modern from the classic.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Again, agape has nothing to do with true love, or justice. What is agaped determines if someone has good character.

WRONG again.

Agape is the love that God has for us – and that we are to have for each other. As I educated you in my last post – God is love and God is justice.

That is, you, since you couldn't even determine which was the modern from the classic.

I’ve destroyed your argument repeatedly – and yet, you keep coming back for more.
So, here’s some more . . .

In the NT, the word "consider" is derived largely terms like katanoeō (observe, reflect deeply, understand) and katamanthanō (examine closely), moving beyond a casual glance to thorough contemplation, spiritual insight, and action.
Really - it's time for you to stop fighting about this . . .

 

[MonoBiblical]

Agape is the love that God has for us

A limited and feeble definition.

I’ve destroyed your argument repeatedly – and yet, you keep coming back for more.

You quoted a word using a modern Greek lexicon. The classical definition was far different. Explain that.

In the NT, the word "consider" is derived largely terms like katanoeō (observe, reflect deeply, understand) and katamanthanō (examine closely), moving beyond a casual glance to thorough contemplation, spiritual insight, and action.
Really - it's time for you to stop fighting about this . . .

It means to think according to a specific thought. Perhaps it only has to do with reasoning, not consideration. Agape is consideration as "love" and thou can't believe that your Roman definition is weak. Is thou not loving this direction? That is OK if you don't and I understand.

 

[BreadOfLife]

A limited and feeble definition.

Limited and feeble?

The Bible tells is that not only does God have Agape for us (Rom. 5:8, 1 John 3:1) – but that He IS Agape (1 John 4:8). Your heretical objections are pathetic . . .

You quoted a word using a modern Greek lexicon. The classical definition was far different. Explain that.
It means to think according to a specific thought. Perhaps it only has to do with reasoning, not consideration. Agape is consideration as "love" and thou can't believe that your Roman definition is weak. Is thou not loving this direction? That is OK if you don't and I understand.

No, Agape IS love – and I’ve given you ample Scriptural evidence.
You argue for the sake of arguing – even after your arguments have been soundly destroyed . . .