"True" Israel?

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brightfame52

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And that truth in the context was about Jews,
No its not. Its to the Spiritual seed born out of the resurrection of Christ 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Blood birth has nothing to do with it. All blood birth is of corruptible seed via Adam
 

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Well please do not go into mind reading as a business.
Im going by what you post, what you post I trust comes from your heart and mind source. 1 Jn 4

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
 

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So its through this grafting in the Branches of the Gentiles into Elect Israel, making them also Elect Israel, thats how or in what manner all Elect Israel shall be saved Rom 11:25-26

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

This is the Church, the Body of Christ the Mediator of the New Covenant. 9
 

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It was prophesied that Gentiles would be called by the name Israel, foretelling the inclusion of the them into Elect Israel Isa 44:5

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

This is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Promises to include Gen 12:3

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This is linked to Isa 44:1-4

Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.

Thats why the Spirit came as the blessing of Abraham upon the Gentiles Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

So Gentiles can call themselves Israel as Per Isa 44:5

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

This is a Spiritual reality, nothing to do with the natural. 9
 

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No its not. Its to the Spiritual seed born out of the resurrection of Christ 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Blood birth has nothing to do with it. All blood birth is of corruptible seed via Adam
Are you really that dense? I just said that ina different way!
 

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Im going by what you post, what you post I trust comes from your heart and mind source. 1 Jn 4

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
No, how you reinterpret it is your problem.
 

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He didn't. The fake Jews invented a physical Israel back in the 40's.
The Jews are waiting for the State to become Israel that a fact, because everyone knows that the State is not worthy of God yet !
Like is the State worthy of even the OT ? No it's not in fact !

But then again if anyone stood up and said the State was worthy Israel = regaring thats in fact that it's truly worthy of God ? now as anyone should know, that to be worthy of Israel, one would be as Nathaniel in fact ! Or did Jesus lie about Nathaniel being a true Israelite ?

But then again if anyone was seeking the State to become worthy of Israel, as in regards Israel being the servants of God in fact ! would not such a one truly be an Anti-Christ ? for such are rejecting Salvation ? The Saviour ! as their Lord !
They are clearly seeking something other !

Then again the worthy Jews who became the first Christians in fact ! they must of been wrong :confused ?

So why do people seek such ! they clearly must not be Saved in fact ! because such is clearly Anti-Christ !
 

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The Jews are waiting for the State to become Israel that a fact,
..but not for the reason you believe; that "physical" position is the lie itself.

The problem is one of identity.

Anglo Saxon, Scandinavian and kindred people are true Israel.

Israel = Is + ra + el, which means children ruling with their father - a definition not to be found in your Jew-ified concordance.

Strong's #2453 was changed to "Jew." In John 8:33, those Judeans are not Israelites. Jesus was not a Jew; Jesus was a Galilean or Nazarene.

Churches that teach the Jews are Israel are teaching satanism. Christianity and Judaism are irreconcilable opposites, enemies of each other, ppl today are completely deluded. About 90% of those who call themselves Jews are Ashkenazi Khazar Jews from Khazaria (called Ukraine today).

Those who call themselves Jews are not Israelites and never will be God's chosen people. It turns out the Ashkenazi Jews are not descendents of Ashkenaz. Gen. 10:3 shows that he had two other brothers (his brother Togarmah is actually the descendents of what we call 90% of the Jews today). They are not in the line of Jacob therefore are not Israelites.

Then again the worthy Jews who became the first Christians in fact ! they must of been wrong -confused ?

So why do people seek such ! they clearly must not be Saved in fact ! because such is clearly Anti-Christ !

The bible isn't about the Jews; it's about the Israelites. Those that call themselves Jews know this and are doing everything they can in their power to destroy true Israel with wars, fake pandemics, race mixing, perversions, drugs, degradation of the education system, a communist indoctrination system, and the list goes on and on. The teachings of the Talmud are perverse.

As Christians, we've been in a war ever since the crucifixion. This is a war for survival; Satan's children will rule or God's children will rule. There is no in-between. It's not just God's people Israel they wish to subjugate or destroy, but all goyim/non-Jews, including blacks, browns, yellows, all other ppl's of our world.
 

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Scripture affirms that called out Israel in the OT and the called out Church in the NT are One and the same. For instance Israel is call the Church Acts 7:38

38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with athe angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively coracles to give unto us: 9
 

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In his paper on the role of Israel, Rev Stewart shows how OT Covenant Promises to National Israel are fullfilled to the Church of the NT by the Head of the Church, Christ:

The Role of Israel (3)​

Most premillennialists and all dispensationalists apply the predictions of the OT prophets to ethnic Israel which they believe is to be restored spiritually in a future earthly millennium. One way to evaluate their system is to examine OT prophecies concerning Israel which are interpreted and applied by the Holy Spirit in the NT. Last time we considered Amos 9:11-15 and its explanation in Acts 15:13-18. This time we turn to the great promise of Jeremiah 31: “[31] Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: [33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] … and I will remember their sin no more.”

With whom is the “new covenant” to be made when “the days come” (31)? It is to be made “with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah” (31, 33), that is, with those whose “fathers” God brought “out of the land of Egypt” (32). Thus, interpreting Jeremiah 31:31-34 literally and without reference to any other part of Scripture, the new covenant is to be made with national Israel and Judah (a “house” [31] and “people” [33]), the descendants of those whom God redeemed from Egypt. No mention is made of the Gentiles or a catholic church at all.

However, Jeremiah 31:31-34 is understood by the NT writers very differently. The citations in Hebrews 8:8-12 and 10:16-17, in their contexts, teach us that the new covenant is established upon the sacrifice and intercession of Jesus Christ, the heavenly high priest after the order of Melchizedek. Thus the Holy Spirit declares, “Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation” (9:28). Can this be restricted just to ethnic Jews? Moreover, though the writer to the Hebrews has much to say about the new covenant and its relationship to Christ’s blood and His heavenly priesthood and kingship, he has nothing to say about any future earthly millennium for the physical descendents of Jacob.

When He instituted the Lord’s Supper, Christ had Jeremiah 31 in His mind: “this is my blood of the new testament [covenant], which is shed for many” (Matt. 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20). Christ’s new covenant blood redeemed His people from “every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation” (Rev. 5:9). Thus Paul tells the largely Gentile church in Corinth that at the Lord’s Table they drink “the new testament [i.e., covenant] in [Christ’s] blood” (I Cor. 11:25). Clearly, “Israel” and “Judah” in Jeremiah 31 refer to the catholic church of the NT redeemed in Christ, and not merely ethnic Jews either in our days or in a future millennium. Rev. Stewart 9
 

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I dont see it as my problem, but yours
Well we have gods word and tghen we have brightframe 52"s word. I taske god at His Word. Maybe we all can reinterpret what you write like you reinterpret what Fod has written.

I am offline for 10 days, will pick back upi then.
 

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The New Testament "Church," has been established and is being built still today (this is what Paul is talking about in the latter half of Ephesians 2)... being built on Christ, Who is the Rock of our salvation, and on the confession made by Peter to Christ that He is the Christ of God in Matthew 16. As such, it is the New Testament expression of Israel of the Old Testament. And together, they ~ we ~ are all of the household of God, His Israel. Paul said the following in Romans:
  • "...no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God." (Romans 2:28-29)
  • "...it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but 'Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.' This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring" (Romans 9:6-8)
  • "So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened... a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:5-7, 25-26)
I'm not sure how much clearer it can possibly be. Being of Israel does not depend on ethnicity; it never did. So, as Paul says:
  • "...at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called 'the uncircumcision' by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands⁠ ~ remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He himself is our peace, Who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. And He came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through Him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, in Whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In Him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit." (Ephesians 2:11-22)
Grace and peace to God.
 

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The New Testament "Church," has been established and is being built still today (this is what Paul is talking about in the latter half of Ephesians 2)... being built on Christ, Who is the Rock of our salvation, and on the confession made by Peter to Christ that He is the Christ of God in Matthew 16.
Yes and its what James is talking about here Acts 15 13-17

13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

The Tabernacle of David is the Church, the Body of Christ Matt 16:18
 
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That the Church is Israel is seen n the redemption promise made to Israel and fulfilled in the Church by Christs death for His church. Ps 130:8

8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Fulfilled Titus 2:14

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.10
 

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Now notice how the Church Christ redeemed is designated a peculiar people Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

That designation is only for Israel, remember Exodus 19:5

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Deut 14:2

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Notice a peculiar people unto Himself. Now what does the Holy Spirit say of the redeemed Church comprised of men and women of all ethnicities

Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Again purify unto Himself a peculiar people. Folks there can only be one peculiar people unto God, the very word peculiar denotes that. Its the greek word periousios:

  1. that which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions
    1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession
    2. Now thats the Church, the Body of Christ, The Israel of God.

BTW this isnt replacement theology as some say, but fulfillment theology. The NT fulfills the OT !
 

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If we are Justified in and by the Lord Jesus Christ as His Church is, then are we Israel, since Justification in Him is promised only to Israel Isa 45:25

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.10