Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[Brakelite]

I’m confident that others reading our posts can see that your practice of quoting Scripture without interpretation reveals a certain naivety, one that reflects a blind acceptance of what you’ve been taught and the so-called knowledge you’ve assumed

To the contrary. I'm sorry for my naivety as you assume it to be, but I would prefer to call it a certain confidence, based on your writing ability, to understand the scriptures without my commentary. I assume also, possibly wrongly, that you can pray for the holy Spxirit to assist you in understanding without my help.

Nevertheless, I take your point regarding ages. But that doesn't explain the other texts. I would suggest that when the holy Spirit inspired the writers to identify the Logos as the Creator and then becoming flesh, readers would be intelligent eno to appreciate the Spirit want referring to the Father.

 

[soberxp]

Started to answer this in depth in the last post, but it was already too long.

Yeah.

Question; Do you believe the pharisees were GODs, as "Jesus the Christ" declared them to be?

I don't believe in the gods, but I believe in the word "image of God".
They may lrearn from the word of God and becme the "image of God" as Jesus Christ.
But what if the word "there is no other God before me" means "there will be other Gods after me"?

 

[Hiddenthings]

To the contrary. I'm sorry for my naivety as you assume it to be, but I would prefer to call it a certain confidence, based on your writing ability, to understand the scriptures without my commentary. I assume also, possibly wrongly, that you can pray for the holy Spxirit to assist you in understanding without my help.

Nevertheless, I take your point regarding ages. But that doesn't explain the other texts.

It's nice to see you can give a little ground thank you

I would suggest that when the holy Spirit inspired the writers to identify the Logos as the Creator and then becoming flesh, readers would be intelligent eno to appreciate the Spirit want referring to the Father.

When Logos is understood as God’s divine reasoning and expression, it becomes possible to grasp how the Logos “became flesh and dwelt among us.” Christians often insist on a forced duality as the only way to interpret this language, yet you and I both know that Jesus was granted immortality and life at his resurrection (not before!). It was at that point, rather than at his birth that he truly became Logos in the full sense, as a divine being.

If you read Romans 1:1–4 carefully, you can see the writer’s understanding that Logos corresponds to the Son of God with power. That power marks the distinction between Christ as the Son of Man in the flesh and Christ as the Son of God. It was only when Christ first partook of the divine nature that Logos truly became flesh, this did not occur beforehand.

To believe so would undermine every single verse in the NT which speaks of his inheritance and reward.

 

[Hillsage]

Yeah.

I don't believe in the gods, but I believe in the word "image of God".
They may lrearn from the word of God and becme the "image of God" as Jesus Christ.
But what if the word "there is no other God before me" means "there will be other Gods after me"?

Here's my 'what if' shot at answering;
That verse is in Exodus 20. Do you know that in the Hebrew there are words which are always spelled in the plural? Even if they are not 'interpreted' that way into scripture.

The three primary Hebrew words that are always plural in form (plurale tantum) despite often representing singular concepts are Mayim, Shamayim, Panim These words use the masculine plural suffix -im and require plural adjective agreement.

• Mayim (מים): Water - always treated as a plural noun.
• Shamayim (שמים): Sky or Heavens - appears over 400 times in the Bible, never in singular.
• Panim (פנים): Face - refers to the face as a whole, but is grammatically plural.

Another commonly cited word that is plural in form but often used with singular verbs is Eloh-IM (אלהים), which can mean "God" (singular) or "gods" (plural) depending on context.

EXO 6:2 And Gods/ELOHIM spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD/YEHOVAH/3068:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of Gods/ELOHIM Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH/3068 was I not known to them.

You know why "The Fathers" never knew the singular name Jehovah? Because that was only the singular name of the god of the JEWS. And that name is not the name of the God Thomas was giving a name to. And I'm not a JEW either.

MAR 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?
Not the son of God Almighty or Jehovah.

3068 Yehovah (the) self Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God

Your thoughts?

 

[soberxp]

Here's my 'what if' shot at answering;
That verse is in Exodus 20. Do you know that in the Hebrew there are words which are always spelled in the plural? Even if they are not 'interpreted' that way into scripture.

The three primary Hebrew words that are always plural in form (plurale tantum) despite often representing singular concepts are Mayim, Shamayim, Panim These words use the masculine plural suffix -im and require plural adjective agreement.

• Mayim (מים): Water - always treated as a plural noun.
• Shamayim (שמים): Sky or Heavens - appears over 400 times in the Bible, never in singular.
• Panim (פנים): Face - refers to the face as a whole, but is grammatically plural.

Another commonly cited word that is plural in form but often used with singular verbs is Eloh-IM (אלהים), which can mean "God" (singular) or "gods" (plural) depending on context.

EXO 6:2 And Gods/ELOHIM spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD/YEHOVAH/3068:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of Gods/ELOHIM Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH/3068 was I not known to them.

You know why "The Fathers" never knew the singular name Jehovah? Because that was only the singular name of the god of the JEWS. And that name is not the name of the God Thomas was giving a name to. And I'm not a JEW either.

MAR 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?
Not the son of God Almighty or Jehovah.

3068 Yehovah (the) self Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God

Your thoughts?

Whatever reason Jesus Christ is not the only one true God. Jesus Christ can be the word of God, can be the son of God.but he is not Yehovah.
God May made us in the image of God and one day we May be become as god or gods,
But we never be the one who made us.

The plural form might be the correct way to express scientific observations.
But it is not an explanation or evidence for the existence of many gods.

Or if Jesus Christ shall become another God, he also never be the one who created all.

 

[PS95]

To prove this point we must see who it was who secured eternal redemption!

Hebrews 9:12 He entered once for all into the holy places, not by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.

The issue for the Christian is this: they should ask themselves, ‘Why did Jesus need redeeming, and from what?’ Yet most have never even opened that door. If they knew the answer, they would certainly want to take part in it.

Oh boy-You totally misunderstand the text, as usual. He is the redeemer. He had no sin and needed no redeeming. You call yourself a Christian? You need to read the rest of the scriptures. Clearly, Heb 9 means our redemption. Cherry picking like the JWs are we?

Galations 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”—

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

1 Cor 1:30
It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption.

Col 1:13-14
He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of His beloved Son, / in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Titus 2:14
He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

Ephesians 1:7
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh,

 

[PS95]

Whatever reason Jesus Christ is not the only one true God. Jesus Christ can be the word of God, can be the son of God.but he is not Yehovah.
God May made us in the image of God and one day we May be become as god or gods,
But we never be the one who made us.

The plural form might be the correct way to express scientific observations.
But it is not an explanation or evidence for the existence of many gods.

Or if Jesus Christ shall become another God, he also never be the one who created all.

Would you like to reply to my question? WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?
Please read these passages-

2 Peter 3:5-7
5For when they maintain this, they willfully forget that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water.
WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?

PSALM 33
6By the word of YHWH the heavens were made,

And by the breath of His mouth all their hosts.

7He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap;

He puts the depths in storehouses.

8Let all the earth fear the LORD;

Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.

9For He spoke, and it was done;

He commanded, and it stood firm.

WHO SPOKE in v 9? THE WORD--- see verse 6.


Heb 11:3
By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.


Again- WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?
John 1:1,3 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
ALL THINGS WERE MADE through Him and without HIM NOTHING was made that was made.

WHO is the Word of God?

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

 

[PS95]

That would be the whole truth of the matter.

But as usual --you did not want to answer the man simply. The games you play is the reason I usually don't reply to you. You do the same thing that the Jws do. It's downright deceitful.

 

[PS95]

Imagine somebody who labels himself a Christian does not believe that the Son existed as a person before He was born as a man.

The whole problem with this forum is that there is no enforcing the rules. Statement of faith is ignored and they tag themselves as Christians anyway, constantly. They are here for one reason and that is to sew division, upset confuse new believers, and to spew their false gospels.

They need to be IGNORED by all Christians. They WANT you to reply to them so they can spew their lies.
Let them discuss their nonsense among themselves. They should not be posting on Christian only boards.
There are a TON of them here.

Case closed...or mind closed? The mind is a gateway to the heart....a closed mind results in a closed heart.

Present your evidence rather than unsubstantiated claims....believe it or not I was raised in Christendom and because they had no answers to my many questions, blind faith was not sitting too well with me. So I investigated the Bible for myself and found that your “Orthodox” Christianity wasn’t even close to Christ’s original teachings....I saw the Bible itself demolish all of their doctrines, giving me a big picture that was never offered to me in “church”.

I was like you once...I never heard a good thing about Jehovah’s Witnesses, so they were the last people I thought of as those with Scriptural truth (John 15:18-21).....It wasn’t until I left the church system after unsuccessful excursions into many denominations and alternatives, that I opened the door to two ladies who had a Bible in their hands. My reception was polite but rather sarcastic as by then I was done with Christendom. I asked them a question that I though they could not answer.....“what happens to us when we die?......expecting the usual platitudes, so I could send them away.....but to my complete surprise, they asked me if I had a Bible and would I like to go and get it so that they could show me what it said about death and where the dead go.

My Bible was a little KJV given to me by my grandmother when I was 10 years old. What they showed me was astounding! I had never heard anything like this in my life, having been raised with an indelible belief in immortality of the soul....I found out that there is no such thing taught in the Bible. My curiosity was piqued....what else had I been taught that wasn’t true? It was a life changing journey of discovery that left me hungry for more....nothing was extra-biblical....nothing came from assumptions based on poorly translated Scripture. The whole Bible was used to supply firmly based Scriptural answers with no contradictions.
They taught me how to study the Bible, not just to read it blindly....and accept everything at face value.

I studied for two whole years before I dedicated myself to God (Yahweh/ Jehovah) as a disciple of his Christ.

Why does your story keep changing Jane?? This is ridiculous. hahaha- I think this is closer to the real story. They showed you how to read the bible, just like they showed me! Show a verse--- read the JW book for a while... then show another verse- read the JW book.. and on and on.. here a verse there a verse... stringing together a false story.. Every single JW does the same thing.
They never READ CONTEXT!!! Your brain has been manipulated by master deceivers. Take 6 months and just read the bible (NO JW lit) and pray your heart out for HIS TRUTH and watch what happens.
You wont do that because you think you know it all already but you are very misled. You may get in trouble if you don't regurgitate the pre-fab answers to the pre-fab questions on Sunday.. Don't you see that is called brainwashing??

Are you a supporter of the “orthodox” medical system? Do you blindly listen and follow the doctor’s advice when he wants you to take a pile of pills that have so many side effects, that you wonder when it’s ever going to make you well?

What do we see in people who have serious medical issues? How many of them are ever cured of what ails them? The medical system has become a money-making racket, but people still believe what doctors tell them and follow along even when their bodies are telling them that they are merely existing, not living.

A lot of people are now waking up to the deception......these medical corporations aren’t interested in cures...only in treatments to manage symptoms while they extract every last cent they can out of you...so, many are opting for natural remedies once touted by the medical establishment as quackery.....we now know who the real quacks are...and that God’s pharmacy provided all we need to remain as healthy as life in this world can be.

And did the leaders of your JW religion- (those special dudes who are the ones going to heaven).. push the vaccines on JWS? Were people removed form their positions if they did not want it? YES. My sisters & brother were not allowed to go the the meetings if they didn't get their boosters! So did your heaven bound leaders ever wake up to the deception you just spoke of?? What a joke you are!
Do your leaders have stock in Pfizer- you bet they do. Big pharma LOVES JWS- EPO's $$$ made from OUR donated blood.. since you can take but not donate. please wake up...!

This world is controlled by the devil so what do we expect that he is going to do? Deception is his stock in trade...everything is made to look authentic to the uneducated but it’s all fake, usually with a bad outcome.
All are under his control...corrupt politics...greedy commercialism....and false religion....with this ‘trinity’ he rules “the whole world”. (1 John 5:19)

Do you think our spiritual life is untouched? Or would that be his first target? What does the history of the Jews teach us? There is your model...Jesus foretold this. History can only repeat if humans don’t learn the lessons of the past.....it seems that they never do.

That absolutely includes your false religion! Wake up.

 

[PS95]

Well in this case it means individual.



Yes were talking about Yeshua saying He was a God.....
The Apostles usually referred to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord. In the case above doubt Thomas realized He was a God.



LOL It might surprise you to know that the names of God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is not in the Bible. They remove God the Father's name around 2600 years ago. God the Son's name was never in the Bible.....The word they use for His name Iēsous Ἰησοῦς actually means healer and no Greek was usually referred to with that unless they were a doctor. And of course the name of the Holy Spirit has never been revealed.

And nothing can be translated to Jesus, for one thing no one knows where it came from. No J's in the scriptures and where the name Jesus came from is anyone's guess.

Uhhh -- Jesus" comes from the Latin Iesus, which comes from the Greek Iesous, which comes from the Aramaic Yeshu'a and the Hebrew Yehoshu'a.
Yeshua means YHWH is salvation.
The ONLY name we need to be saved is Jesus. --according to scripture..
There is salvation is no one else. --according to scripture..

The history of the Tetragrammaton is a very different issue. It is not a matter of translating. The true pronunciation would not be lost if God did not want it to be. Or do you suppose that God is confused by how we lost it and is trying really hard to tell us we do need it after all? Or do you suppose that SAVATION IS IN HIS SON?


@Hillsage

 

[soberxp]

The whole problem with this forum is that there is no enforcing the rules. Statement of faith is ignored and they tag themselves as Christians anyway, constantly. They are here for one reason and that is to sew division, upset confuse new believers, and to spew their false gospels.

They need to be IGNORED by all Christians. They WANT you to reply to them so they can spew their lies.
Let them discuss their nonsense among themselves. They should not be posting on Christian only boards.
There are a TON of them here.

Why does your story keep changing Jane?? This is ridiculous. hahaha- I think this is closer to the real story. They showed you how to read the bible, just like they showed me! Show a verse--- read the JW book for a while... then show another verse- read the JW book.. and on and on.. here a verse there a verse... stringing together a false story.. Every single JW does the same thing.
They never READ CONTEXT!!! Your brain has been manipulated by master deceivers. Take 6 months and just read the bible (NO JW lit) and pray your heart out for HIS TRUTH and watch what happens.
You wont do that because you think you know it all already but you are very misled. You may get in trouble if you don't regurgitate the pre-fab answers to the pre-fab questions on Sunday.. Don't you see that is called brainwashing??

And did the leaders of your JW religion- (those special dudes who are the ones going to heaven).. push the vaccines on JWS? Were people removed form their positions if they did not want it? YES. My sisters & brother were not allowed to go the the meetings if they didn't get their boosters! So did your heaven bound leaders ever wake up to the deception you just spoke of?? What a joke you are!
Do your leaders have stock in Pfizer- you bet they do. Big pharma LOVES JWS- EPO's $$$ made from OUR donated blood.. since you can take but not donate. please wake up...!

That absolutely includes your false religion! Wake up.

You are wrong with a lot of things.

All of You said: only God can forgive sins.so Jesus Christ is God.
But The apostles also had the authority to forgive sins.

Your American president always likes to put his hand on someone else's head. Don't tell me you don't know that an apostle can grant forgiveness of sins to others in this way.

 

[PS95]

You are wrong with a lot of things.

Really? Do tell? Why can't you answer a simple question?--

All of You said: only God can forgive sins.so Jesus Christ is God.
But The apostles also had the authority to forgive sins.

Who is all of you? Not sure who you are talking about.. Yes, they did- Jesus gave them the authority. Jesus was given it by His father. what is your problem? Jesus was in a humbled state in the flesh and He became a servant. Phil 2
Why are you confused?

Your American president always likes to put his hand on someone else's head. Don't tell me you don't know that an apostle can grant forgiveness of sins to others in this way.

I never said otherwise.

Here is the 3rd time for this question..

2 Peter 3:5-7
5For when they maintain this, they willfully forget that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water.
WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?

PSALM 33
6By the word of YHWH the heavens were made,

And by the breath of His mouth all their hosts.

7He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap;

He puts the depths in storehouses.

8Let all the earth fear the LORD;

Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.

9For He spoke, and it was done;

He commanded, and it stood firm.

WHO SPOKE in v 9? THE WORD--- see verse 6.


Heb 11:3
By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.


Again- WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?
John 1:1,3 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
ALL THINGS WERE MADE through Him and without HIM NOTHING was made that was made.

WHO is the Word of God?

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Do you need more?
WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?

 

[soberxp]

WHO is the Word of God?

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,

So you means the Satan will be saved? Cuz for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,

 

[PS95]

So you means the Satan will be saved? Cuz for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,

Still ignoring my question and yet asking me another stupid one?

Please show me the scriptures that teach us that satan created everything in heaven and earth.

 

[soberxp]

WHO is the Word of God?

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Still ignoring my question and yet asking me another stupid one?

Please show me the scriptures that teach us that satan created everything in heaven and earth.

So Jesus is the firstborn of all creation,
Is that means not only human beings can be saved, Satan and falling angle also can be saved thorough him Jesus Christ?

WHO is the Word of God?
If the only answer, Jesus Christ, is not included.
The image of God is the word of God.

 

[Grailhunter]

Uhhh -- Jesus" comes from the Latin Iesus, which comes from the Greek Iesous, which comes from the Aramaic Yeshu'a and the Hebrew Yehoshu'a.

No biblical word can be translated to Jesus. No one knows where the word Jesus came from. It's first appeared in the 17th century. Iesous translates to English word healer....Besides all that, do you think that Yeshua's Jewish mother would give Him a Greek name? LOL There are no J's in the scriptures and the Names of God the Father and God the Son do not appear in our Bibles.

YHWH is not Yahweh's name but it is the pronunciation of His name. And they took that out too 6,800 times and replaced it with the words God or Lord or both. Do you think that Yahweh did not want his name spoken? Respected yes, but do you think you can find a scripture where Yahweh said He did not want His name spoken?

 

[PS95]

So Jesus is the firstborn of all creation,

Yes. Firstborn like David was firstborn over kings. He was actually the last son born. Paul understood that much. Read the rest of the passage so it clicks.

Is that means not only human beings can be saved, Satan and falling angle also can be saved thorough him Jesus Christ?

No what would make you ask that.
Why are you afraid to answer MY question?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Oh boy-You totally misunderstand the text, as usual. He is the redeemer. He had no sin and needed no redeeming. You call yourself a Christian? You need to read the rest of the scriptures. Clearly, Heb 9 means our redemption. Cherry picking like the JWs are we?

Galations 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”—

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

1 Cor 1:30
It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption.

Col 1:13-14
He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of His beloved Son, / in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Titus 2:14
He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

Ephesians 1:7
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh,

Who said he had sin? It’s obvious you don’t have the foggiest clue. You ran off on an assumed tangent without asking a single clarifying question.

Have another go! but this time, learn how to communicate.

 

[soberxp]

Yes. Firstborn like David was firstborn over kings. He was actually the last son born. Paul understood that much. Read the rest of the passage so it clicks.

No what would make you ask That

If you fully understand the verse you quote.

Why are you afraid to answer MY question?

WHO is the Word of God?
If the only answer, Jesus Christ, is not included.
The image of God is the word of God.

 

[PS95]

No biblical word can be translated to Jesus. No one knows where the word Jesus came from. It's first appeared in the 17th century. Iesous translates to English word healer....Besides all that, do you think that Yeshua's Jewish mother would give Him a Greek name? LOL There are no J's in the scriptures and the Names of God the Father and God the Son do not appear in our Bibles.

YHWH is not Yahweh's name but it is the pronunciation of His name. And they took that out too 6,800 times and replaced it with the words God or Lord or both. Do you think that Yahweh did not want his name spoken? Respected yes, but do you think you can find a scripture where Yahweh said He did not want His name spoken?

I just told you how it was translated! It's called history. Yes we do know! what is your problem? lol
Mary did not give Him a Greek name-- How can you ask that? Yeshua has no J- no kidding! Jesus is a TRANSLATION FROM LATIN.
This is some very convoluted thinking. Have you been drinking or something? I've never read anything from you like this.

I never said YHWH was a pronunciation. Where do you get this stuff? I said it is the tetagrammaton!
Jesus never once taught us to use any pronunciation of the tetragram nor did He use it when He spoke of His Father or when he prayed to Him.
That ought to tell you something.
There is salvation in no one else/ according to scripture---
Jesus is the only name needed= according to scripture-
and if you think I am saying that all you need to say is a name- then you had better rethink!
It's not about pronunciations. Good grief.
NAME means WHO HE IS and WHAT He Does and Did and Will do.
Ex 3