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2bme

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You really think your beliefs are guaranteed. Don't you. You'll defend everything you believe rather than face what you don't know and accept what needs to change. Even though it's become undeniable that beliefs are the problem of our society. You'd rather pretend that what you believe is worth the destruction it causes the world over. I know for sure now I'm not wrong, because all you believer's have is something to force other people to believe in.

Your time of believing has reached its final destination.
 

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because all you believer's have is something to force other people to believe in.
It is a misunderstand for the believer, I was wrong too.

Jesus Christ said: do not give your pearl to the pig and dog.

Also the Bible says preach the gospel to the whole world.

But that not means preach the gospel to everyone or anyone,

You should choose the one who maybe be interested in learning about...

Jesus Christ said: do not give your pearl to the pig and dog.
 
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This is the Non-Christian section. We have fun here. :gd
 

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You really think your beliefs are guaranteed.

My present core of beliefs are indeed "guaranteed" by God in scripture, and by the living messenger God had sent and verified by many signs, and evidences (if you want to know about those, just ask).

Don't you.

Well, if I didn't believe what I believe to be the truth, I would not be believing in those beliefs. That is kinda standard, but those beliefs are based in faith, which is not blind, but evidenced to the point where I no longer need further evidence to stand upon those beliefs. In other words, I have seen enough to know those beliefs to be true, and based in facts / truth / evidence.

You'll defend everything you believe rather than face what you don't know and accept what needs to change.

I only defend true / factual beliefs, not false / fictional ones. I have changed beliefs over the years (going from Roman Catholic (30 years) to Seventh-day Adventist (2008-present)), because I was shown, and challenged in my previous beliefs (Roman Catholicism) in several ways, along with several other things, such as going from a general B.B. (Jesuit) universe model to one of YEC, and scriptural, based upon those scriptures, and scientific material / facts/ evidence (to be documetned / demonstrated as needful).

Therefore, a true Christian is always ready to consider what may not be entirely accurate among their beliefs, and accept a more accurate belief when the evidence is presented that supercedes the previously held ideology / evidence. Also, a true Christian will not simply abandon that which is true, for that which is false, simply because something / someone seems to challenge the truth with that which is not.

Even though it's become undeniable that beliefs are the problem of our society.

False beliefs are a problem (ie. 'flat earth', &c.), not merely "beliefs", for all have "beliefs" irrespective of race, religion, creed, etc. The very statement that you made is a "belief" you presently hold.

You'd rather pretend

I have no need of pretending. I am able to document / evidence why I believe what I believe, irrespective of whether you / or another accepts that evidence. In other words, a lack of faith in the evidence, does not negate that evidence as validating the true belief.

that what you believe is worth the destruction it causes the world over.

False belief is destructive, and grant the idea that far, but true belief is only destructive to false beliefs, not other true beliefs.

I know for sure now I'm not wrong,

That is simply a "belief" you have.

because all you believer's have is something to force other people to believe in.

True Christianity is never "to force other people to believe in" it, but always offers an invitation to believe, with evidence for those that desire to consider those things. If someone is attempting to 'force' you to accept Christianity, that is not Christianity, but a counterfeit, a 'false belief'. Run from such as fast as you can, or it may take your life. True Christianity is:

Rev_22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.​

Your time of believing has reached its final destination.

Bold statement of your "belief", but since I am aware of the prophetic events in their order, I can assure you, that it is not the 'final destination' just yet, as events still need to take place in their foreordained order. There will always be faith in the truth, even in eternity, though certain aspects of certain things will no longer need to simply be held by faith, since the 'sight' and experience of the reality will bring that faith in those things to completion, and the reality then held in its place. For instance, a true Christian has faith in the New Heavens and New Earth to come, and only has some small down payment of it now in their heart mind and Christian experience, and as such lives by faith in that evidence unto the reality to follow soon, when the event comes to be present, rather than future. Faith then replaced in that future event by the reality of the then present of its realization / experience.
 

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It is a misunderstand for the believer, I was wrong too.

Jesus Christ said: do not give your pearl to the pig and dog.

Also the Bible says preach the gospel to the whole world.

But that not means preach the gospel to everyone or anyone,

You should choose the one who maybe be interested in learning about...

Jesus Christ said: do not give your pearl to the pig and dog.
Which may I remind you again it's just something you believe in.
 

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You really think your beliefs are guaranteed. Don't you. You'll defend everything you believe rather than face what you don't know and accept what needs to change. Even though it's become undeniable that beliefs are the problem of our society. You'd rather pretend that what you believe is worth the destruction it causes the world over. I know for sure now I'm not wrong, because all you believer's have is something to force other people to believe in.

Your time of believing has reached its final destination.
You're post indicates an axe to grind, wholly lacking specifics or definition.
  1. What does guaranteed beliefs even mean?
  2. There is a different among: (1). accepting what needs to change; (2). Not knowing something and (3). Defending what you believe. Yet, you lump them together for what end?
  3. If our beliefs are THE problem for society, what set of beliefs are the solution?
  4. What pretending are you referring to? Regarding destruction it causes the world over, that'd be the other side, e.g., those who advocate for murdering babies. That's pretty destructive.
  5. How are we forcing other people to believe?
  6. Christianity remains the 2nd fastest growing religion in the world. On what basis do you conclude our time is reaching the end?
 

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I don't know what's going on, I just saw that stuff and thought is this my thread.
Would the Gaia life form of Earth fall ill like humans? Are humans the normal red blood cells, white blood cells, or the cancer?

What does life truly mean?
The Buddha said even stones possess life, and in a single flower lies an entire world.

So who is it that destroys the world? And who destroys a flower?
 

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Would the Gaia life form of Earth fall ill like humans? Are humans the normal red blood cells, white blood cells, or the cancer?

What does life truly mean?
The Buddha said even stones possess life, and in a single flower lies an entire world.

So who is it that destroys the world? And who destroys a flower?
I don't know, I'm only a subject in the processes of life.
 

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You're post indicates an axe to grind, wholly lacking specifics or definition.
  1. What does guaranteed beliefs even mean?
  2. There is a different among: (1). accepting what needs to change; (2). Not knowing something and (3). Defending what you believe. Yet, you lump them together for what end?
  3. If our beliefs are THE problem for society, what set of beliefs are the solution?
  4. What pretending are you referring to? Regarding destruction it causes the world over, that'd be the other side, e.g., those who advocate for murdering babies. That's pretty destructive.
  5. How are we forcing other people to believe?
  6. Christianity remains the 2nd fastest growing religion in the world. On what basis do you conclude our time is reaching the end?
We first need to establish what a belief is before we can determined their utility. My way of understanding believing is that it isn't a fact in it's general usage. Let's look at usage of words in regards to knowledge and knowing. There's (Guess) There's (Assumption) There's (Belief) There's (Fact) What purposes does believing something serve? Let's figure that out first so we know what we are saying about what we know and do not know.
 

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You really think your beliefs are guaranteed. Don't you. You'll defend everything you believe rather than face what you don't know and accept what needs to change. Even though it's become undeniable that beliefs are the problem of our society. You'd rather pretend that what you believe is worth the destruction it causes the world over. I know for sure now I'm not wrong, because all you believer's have is something to force other people to believe in.

Your time of believing has reached its final destination.
The problem with the world is not the Christians. People react negatively to Christians, and have a hard time identifying the exact point of contention.

Their problem generally is that they wish to rebel against God's design. God's designs are very good, but yet people don't want to accept those designs. They want to make a reality of their own, with everything just how they want it to be.

Nevermind that false reality is incompatable even with what their likewise wicked neighbors want. There is an ignorant expectation, a wishful thinking, that everyone can do whatever they want and everyone will be happy with it. And when they see the systemic failures, blame the Christians instead of themselves. Because the Christians are on the side of God, and God designed the world in a way they don't like.
 

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Try answering my questions first. Then we can go from there.
I looked over your questions and because I am limited to using a mobile device I had to decide if I'd answer all your questions point to point. I can try to do that within the capacity of my mobile browser, but it's better for my technical situation to create a batch reply.
 

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The problem with the world is not the Christians. People react negatively to Christians, and have a hard time identifying the exact point of contention.

Their problem generally is that they wish to rebel against God's design. God's designs are very good, but yet people don't want to accept those designs. They want to make a reality of their own, with everything just how they want it to be.

Nevermind that false reality is incompatable even with what their likewise wicked neighbors want. There is an ignorant expectation, a wishful thinking, that everyone can do whatever they want and everyone will be happy with it. And when they see the systemic failures, blame the Christians instead of themselves. Because the Christians are on the side of God, and God designed the world in a way they don't like.
Let's assume that Christianity did the thing it's supposed to believe in far more effectively and it completely won over the world to become the only one governing ideology. Do you think that all the people of the world under that belief based narrative wouldn't need to be curious about what could lie outside the current normative belief system?
 

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Let's assume that Christianity did the thing it's supposed to believe in far more effectively and it completely won over the world to become the only one governing ideology. Do you think that all the people of the world under that belief based narrative wouldn't need to be curious about what could lie outside the current normative belief system?
What is outside of everything?