Is Revelation 20:1-6 really a recap?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why were some broken off from the natural olive tree David?

Romans 11:20 (KJV) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

These natural branches of the good olive tree were NOT saved, because even though they appeared to belong to the good olive tree according to flesh, they did NOT believe.

The same is true with Gentiles who merely outwardly appear to belong to the church of Christ. According to the flesh they look no different than faithful saints. But in fact they are tares among the wheat, and shall also be broken off if they remain in unbelief.

Are you saying you believe that all Gentiles are grafted into the good olive tree? That is not what Paul said at all. Look at the verse you quoted. Paul said that the Gentiles that were grafted in "standest by faith". No Gentile that was grafted in was in unbelief. Yet, you are saying that Gentiles who are grafted in "shall also be broken off if they remain in unbelief". None of the Gentiles who are grafted in can "remain in unbelief" because they are not in unbelief when they are grafted in. They are grafted in because they have faith. No unbelieving Gentiles are grafted in. Paul warns that they could be broken off if they do not continue to have faith.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You openly stated Revelation 19 isn't future, your claim is "False"!

In Revelation Chapter 19 we see the second coming of Jesus Christ and final judgment of all, these are "Future" events unfulfilled

(Quote Below: rwb post #41)

"David, I'm Amillennial but I don't believe Rev 19 is future."

He then later clarified what he meant multiple times. Did you not see that? If you did, then why are you trying to insist that he meant something else? He believes it relates to the future, but believes it also relates to the past. So, what he meant is that he doesn't believe it only refers to the future.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Matthew 13:39 (KJV) The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Matthew 13:49 (KJV) So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Quoting the verses to me doesn't tell me how you interpret them. I asked "Do you think passages like Matthew 13:40-43 and Matthew 13:47-50 were already fulfilled long ago when Jesus rose from the dead?". So, is your answer "Yes" or "No"? When do you believe the "end of the world" or "end of the age" that those verses refer to occurred or will occur?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are still not addressing everything. What does it mean if a Gentile is grafted into the good olive tree, but doesn't continue in His goodness, thus God cuts him or her off? What does that equal since there are only 3 possible answers?

1) That Gentile lost their salvation, thus NOSAS?

2) That Gentile was never saved to begin with?

3) That Gentile remains saved regardless, thus OSAS?

Only 1 of these answers can be correct. And I will make it simple for you. If the answer is 2) this means to be grafted into the good olive tree does not equal salvation. If the answer is 3) this means that the unbelieving Jews that were cut off remain saved, regardless. Otherwise, God is a respecter of persons if He treats Gentiles differently than He does Jews. But I'm pretty sure that Peter said in Acts that he perceived God is not a respecter of persons. What does that leave left remaining then? Option 1), obviously

And now that you can no longer deny the truth unless you want to reveal yourself as being blatantly dishonest, that NOSAS is also Biblical, are you still going to keep insisting Amil is the correct view when Amil plus NOSAS contradicts Revelation 20:6, while Premil plus NOSAS doesn't?

How does anything you're saying here prove that Amil plus NOSAS contradicts Revelation 20:6? You are delusional. Nothing you said here or anywhere proves that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thinking outloud here.

Even Daniel 7 proves Premil.

LOL! Nothing proves Premil! As long as you insist on bringing doctrinal bias into every verse you read, you will think everything proves Premil. I hope one day you will actually read scripture objectively, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Verse 21 is involving saints being persecuted big time, verse 22 is involving a coming , and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom is undeniably meaning Revelation 20:4-6.

Hello? Is Jesus not your King now? Are you not in His kingdom now?

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Revelation 20:6 talks about saints being priests of God the Father and of Christ. That is true NOW!

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Which then means Daniel 7:21 precedes the beginning of the millennium. Good luck Amil getting that to work with their view.

LOL! It takes no luck at all. You are so blinded by Premil that you can't see the truth right in front of you.

 

[rwb]

You openly stated Revelation 19 isn't future, your claim is "False"!

In Revelation Chapter 19 we see the second coming of Jesus Christ and final judgment of all, these are "Future" events unfulfilled

(Quote Below: rwb post #41)

"David, I'm Amillennial but I don't believe Rev 19 is future."

IF YOU'RE GOING TO QUOTE WHAT I HAVE SAID, PLEASE HAVE THE DECENCY TO QUOTE ALL THAT I'VE SAID!

 

[Truth7t7]

IF YOU'RE GOING TO QUOTE WHAT I HAVE SAID, PLEASE HAVE THE DECENCY TO QUOTE ALL THAT I'VE SAID!

You mean your damage control in back peddling to cover your statement made in post #41 as seen below

You openly stated Revelation 19 isn't future, your claim is "False"!

In Revelation Chapter 19 we see the second coming of Jesus Christ and final judgment of all, these are "Future" events unfulfilled

(Quote Below: rwb post #41)

"David, I'm Amillennial but I don't believe Rev 19 is future."

 

[rwb]

Quoting the verses to me doesn't tell me how you interpret them. I asked "Do you think passages like Matthew 13:40-43 and Matthew 13:47-50 were already fulfilled long ago when Jesus rose from the dead?". So, is your answer "Yes" or "No"? When do you believe the "end of the world" or "end of the age" that those verses refer to occurred or will occur?

It really doesn't seem to matter to you how I interpret them. I hoped (wrongly apparently) that seeing the verses together would help you to see those faithful to God possess eternal spiritual life now, from the moment we believe (born again) and through our eternal life our mortal body also shall be made immortal and alive when the last trumpet sounds. The gospel of the Kingdom of God is now but will not be complete until the last to be saved has spiritually come to know Christ and is born again.

 

[WPM]

How does anything you're saying here prove that Amil plus NOSAS contradicts Revelation 20:6? You are delusional. Nothing you said here or anywhere proves that.

He spends his time on these sites stirring the pot and advancing ridiculous concepts.

 

[Zao is life]

If there is this alleged contradicton if both are true, debunk the alleged contradiction per the following. Which BTW can't be debunked since it's impossible to debunk the truth = Check mate.

Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Prove that to be graffed into the good olive tree does not mean to be saved. Prove, that if a Gentile that is cut off from the good olive tree after having been graffed in means this Gentile was never saved to begin with or that this Gentile remains saved, regardless. If your position is the latter then you need to prove that when the unbelieving Jews were cut off for disbelief this still equals they are among the saved, regardless. If your view is the former, then you need to prove how any Gentile can get graffed into the good olive tree to begin with without that involving them being saved first.

I was NOSAS for a long time. No more.

IMO OSAS and NOSAS both being true at the same time is not a contradiction or an oxymoron, because.

* God is the only source of life (Genesis 2:7).
* Life is in the Word (John 1:4).
* Jesus alone has life in Himself (John 5:26).
* The eternal life given to us, is in Christ (1 John 5:11-12).

"And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Genesis 22:17).

When the tree of life was still accessible to Adam and Eve but they suddenly had an alternative choice between the Word of God and the lie of Satan, what did they do?

I am the vine, ye are the branches. Abide in me, and I in you. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (John 5:5-6).

"And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Genesis 22:17).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It really doesn't seem to matter to you how I interpret them. I hoped (wrongly apparently) that seeing the verses together would help you to see those faithful to God possess eternal spiritual life now, from the moment we believe (born again) and through our eternal life our mortal body also shall be made immortal and alive when the last trumpet sounds. The gospel of the Kingdom of God is now but will not be complete until the last to be saved has spiritually come to know Christ and is born again.

And I hoped you would actually answer my question about Matthew 13:40-43 and Matthew 13:47-50, but you instead just want to play games. When someone can't even answer simple questions, as you often cannot do, it's very telling. You can't even tell me when you believe the end of the age will occur that Jesus referenced in the passages I mentioned. Previously, you indicated that the end of the age occurred with Christ's death and resurrection. So, I'm asking if that's your understanding of Matthew 13:40-43 and Matthew 13:47-50. Do you think Jesus was referring to His death and resurrection when He referred to the end of the age rather than referring to the end of this temporal age when He returns to usher in the eternal age to come?

 

[rwb]

And I hoped you would actually answer my question about Matthew 13:40-43 and Matthew 13:47-50, but you instead just want to play games. When someone can't even answer simple questions, as you often cannot do, it's very telling. You can't even tell me when you believe the end of the age will occur that Jesus referenced in the passages I mentioned. Previously, you indicated that the end of the age occurred with Christ's death and resurrection. So, I'm asking if that's your understanding of Matthew 13:40-43 and Matthew 13:47-50. Do you think Jesus was referring to His death and resurrection when He referred to the end of the age rather than referring to the end of this temporal age when He returns to usher in the eternal age to come?

I believe Scripture shows us that Christ will come again in the same manner He was seen departing this earth at the end of this age when the seventh trumpet sounds that time shall be no longer, or there shall no longer be any more delay. His return on that day that is coming is not to give believers eternal life, because we obtained eternal spiritual life the moment we believed and were born again. The way believers inherit eternal spiritual life is through the resurrected life of Christ who is the "first resurrection". When we partake of Him, we HAVE eternal life through His Spirit within us. When Christ comes again all who have physically died in Him shall be bodily resurrected in immortal & incorruptible flesh made alive forever through the spirits that Christ will bring with Him when He comes again. (1Th 4:14)

When Christ tells us in the resurrection we shall not marry and shall be as the angels of God in heaven He cannot be speaking of His coming again at the end of this age when the last trumpet sounds. Because that shall be AFTER the first heaven and earth have passed away, and the spiritual body of Christ "coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband". Obviously, when Christ comes again, spiritually we are already married to Christ, so the resurrection where believers neither marry, nor are given in marriage has to be speaking of what shall spiritually be when we have been born again through the resurrection of Christ and have spiritually become His bride.

If Christ is speaking of the physical body of believers being resurrected with immortal & incorruptible physical bodies, He would not say we shall be as the angels of God in heaven, because then we shall once again be complete living soul with physical body made alive through our eternal spirit that returns with Christ. Complete human beings, with body + spirit to once again be complete living souls. In the resurrection at the end of this age we will NOT be as the angels of God in heaven that are spiritual beings, not human beings.

You don't believe even when Christ tells us the life we possess through Him is eternal. Which means forever/never ending life through His Spirit in us.

1 John 5:13 (KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

It seems you believe the eternal life we receive when we are born again is NOT really eternal and will not really be eternal until Christ comes again that through our eternal spirit our physical body too shall be made immortally alive, to never die again. It seems you cannot distinguish between the eternal spiritual life we receive when we are born again and immortal & incorruptible physical life we shall receive at the end of this age when the last trumpet sounds that time shall be no more and Christ has come again.

 

[rwb]

IMO OSAS and NOSAS both being true at the same time is not a contradiction or an oxymoron, because.

In humanity both positions are true at the same time, however they are not both true within the same person(s). Man is either one or the other, but to argue man can be both at the same time is neither true, nor helpful.

 

[Zao is life]

In humanity both positions are true at the same time, however they are not both true within the same person(s). Man is either one or the other, but to argue man can be both at the same time is neither true, nor helpful.

It's both true and helpful to all humans who believe the Word of God. If it were not true it would mean that the created man and woman and their descendants possess eternal life in ourselves.

Scripture does not teach you that. It teaches that Christ alone possesses the breath of life from God in Himself. It teaches that of all human beings ever to have lived, Christ alone has and possess (eternal) life in Himself - and this is also why both Jesus and Paul expressed the fact that Jesus alone possesses His human immortality.

Scripture also teaches that eternal life is given in Christ to those who believe in Him, and that He IS our eternal life, just as He IS the resurrection from the dead.

Scripture teaches that OSAS is for those who abide in the Vine because He is the one who gives life. Jesus said that those who do not abide are cast forth as a branch and wither and die (=NOSAS).

Understanding why they are both true is neither a contradiction nor an oxymoron. God told Adam he would not ever die as long as he adhered to the Word of God - which contained a "thou shalt not" commandment. Satan told Adam he would NOT die.

Adam being given to eat of the three of life - O.A.A.A (once alive through being given life, always alive).
Adam departing from the Word of God = N.O.A.A.A.

It was not a contradiction nor an oxymoron then, nor is salvation in Christ and being OSAS, and NOSAS both being true at the same time, a contradiction or oxymoron now.

--- I am the vine, ye are the branches. Abide in me, and I in you, because if a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned, and as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. --- (John 15:4-6, verses rearranged).

"The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life [zoe]." (John 6:63). In the Word of God is life [zoe] (John 1:4).

Alive

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[Spiritual Israelite]

I believe Scripture shows us that Christ will come again in the same manner He was seen departing this earth at the end of this age when the seventh trumpet sounds that time shall be no longer, or there shall no longer be any more delay.

I agree. So, why did you say before that you believe the end of the age (at which point the age to come arrives) in Luke 20:34-36 referred to the end of the old covenant age when Jesus died and rose again? Now, you are saying the end of the age refers to the time when Christ comes again in the future.

When Christ tells us in the resurrection we shall not marry and shall be as the angels of God in heaven He cannot be speaking of His coming again at the end of this age when the last trumpet sounds. Because that shall be AFTER the first heaven and earth have passed away, and the spiritual body of Christ "coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband". Obviously, when Christ comes again, spiritually we are already married to Christ, so the resurrection where believers neither marry, nor are given in marriage has to be speaking of what shall spiritually be when we have been born again through the resurrection of Christ and have spiritually become His bride.

But, Jesus was speaking of this age when He said what is recorded in Luke 20:34-36. You acknowledged earlier that this age will end when Jesus comes again in the future, but here you are saying otherwise. It seems that you are contradicting yourself. This age is the age during which people get married and they die (physically, bodily). The age to come, which will come when the bodily resurrection of the dead occurs, is the eternal age of the new heavens and new earth during which people will not get married and will not physically die. That is what Jesus is saying in Luke 20:34-36.

If Christ is speaking of the physical body of believers being resurrected with immortal & incorruptible physical bodies, He would not say we shall be as the angels of God in heaven, because then we shall once again be complete living soul with physical body made alive through our eternal spirit that returns with Christ.

Just read what He said and don't read anything more into it. We will be like the angels in the sense that they do not marry and they cannot die. That's all. He didn't say anything beyond that. He was not saying anything about being like the angels bodily or in any other way.

Complete human beings, with body + spirit to once again be complete living souls. In the resurrection at the end of this age we will NOT be as the angels of God in heaven that are spiritual beings, not human beings.

You don't believe even when Christ tells us the life we possess through Him is eternal. Which means forever/never ending life through His Spirit in us.

1 John 5:13 (KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

It seems you believe the eternal life we receive when we are born again is NOT really eternal and will not really be eternal until Christ comes again that through our eternal spirit our physical body too shall be made immortally alive, to never die again. It seems you cannot distinguish between the eternal spiritual life we receive when we are born again and immortal & incorruptible physical life we shall receive at the end of this age when the last trumpet sounds that time shall be no more and Christ has come again.

It isn't necessary to discuss when we have eternal life in order to discuss what Jesus was saying in Luke 20:34-36, but you just want to bring that into the discussion any time you can because you're obsessed with talking about it. It's ridiculous. We're talking about bodily immortality here and that is what Jesus is talking about in Luke 20:34-36. People die bodily in this age but will not die bodily in the age to come. That is what Jesus was saying, but you can't see that because you're too hung up on wanting to talk about when we receive eternal life. No matter what you think is the case spiritually, we bodily will inherit eternal life when Jesus comes again in the future when He ushers in the eternal age to come when no one will ever get married again and no one will ever physically/bodily die again.

 

[rwb]

It's both true and helpful to all humans who believe the Word of God. If it were not true it would mean that the created man and woman and their descendants possess eternal life in ourselves.

What on earth are you talking about? Who has argued that man possesses life within themselves? The question is when man, according to grace through faith believes in Christ, being born again of His Spirit inherits ETERNAL life through Christ, can the same man then be disinherited losing the ETERNAL life given them by grace through faith that comes from God alone? Man cannot possess eternal life and not possess eternal life at the same time! Anyone believing they can, has no understanding of ETERNAL LIFE! Eternal life is given forever, never to end and can never be lost through human disobedience.

 

[rwb]

So, why did you say before that you believe the end of the age (at which point the age to come arrives) in Luke 20:34-36 referred to the end of the old covenant age when Jesus died and rose again?

I don't recall saying anything remotely like this? Unless you can quote where you think I have, I will assume you are crediting me with something someone else may have said???

Luke 20:34-38 (KJV) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

What I've argued regarding this passage is that when Christ speaks of the resurrection here, He is NOT speaking of our bodily resurrection that shall be when Christ comes again. He is speaking of the resurrection man must have part in to overcome the second death that is the bodily resurrection of Christ, who is the first resurrection to physical life to never die again. When we have been born again we have spiritually partaken of the resurrection Christ is speaking of, where believers neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels of God in heaven SPIRITUALLY, not physically.

But, Jesus was speaking of this age when He said what is recorded in Luke 20:34-36.

Yes, in this age of time we are now living in people marry! But when we have part in the resurrected life of Christ when we are SPIRITUALLY born again, we do not marry because we are as the angels of God in heaven SPIRITUAL beings. As children of the resurrection life of Christ we are espoused to Christ, His bride. Christ is revealing spiritual truths in the spiritual age/life we enter when we are born again. He is not speaking of physical marriage that belongs to this age.

We're talking about bodily immortality here and that is what Jesus is talking about in Luke 20:34-36.

If Christ is speaking of our bodily immortality when He comes again, He would not say we shall be as are the angels of God in heaven, spirit beings. Immortality belongs to our physical flesh, our spirit already possessing eternal life that is forever. It is in heaven that believers are spiritual beings, that are not of this earth, because we are of Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't recall saying anything remotely like this? Unless you can quote where you think I have, I will assume you are crediting me with something someone else may have said???

Nope, it was you. In post #199 of this thread you said this in relation to what Jesus said in Luke 20:34-36:

The age to come came when Christ came in the Kingdom of God ushering in the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God. We have entered the Kingdom of God that now is spiritual when we are born again. That means we have spiritually, not physically entered the age that according to Christ was to come through His resurrection. The age to come that we spiritually enter when we are born again, shall be the immortal physical Kingdom on the New Earth when the seventh trumpet sounds. But until that day, we count ourselves as spirits of just men made perfectly the spiritual body spiritually dwelling living souls with Christ in the heavenly ream through the Spirit of Christ in us.

In Luke 20:34-36 Jesus refers to "this age" and "the age to come". You indicated here that you believe "The age to come came when Christ came in the Kingdom of God ushering in the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God" and that "we have spiritually, not physically entered the age that according to Christ was to come through His resurrection.". So, you equated the end of this age with the time of Christ's resurrection at which point you indicated you think the age to come began. So, which is it? Is the end of the age going to be when Jesus returns or when He was resurrected?

Luke 20:34-38 (KJV) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

What I've argued regarding this passage is that when Christ speaks of the resurrection here, He is NOT speaking of our bodily resurrection that shall be when Christ comes again.

Yes, He most certainly is. When that resurrection occurs, will anyone ever get married again? No. Will anyone ever physically die again? No. So, He was definitely referring to the bodily resurrection of the dead that will occur when He comes again in that passage because He indicated that at that point no one will get married or die ever again after that. The age to come is the eternal age to come of the eternal new heavens and new earth.

If Christ is speaking of our bodily immortality when He comes again, He would not say we shall be as are the angels of God in heaven, spirit beings. Immortality belongs to our physical flesh, our spirit already possessing eternal life that is forever. It is in heaven that believers are spiritual beings, that are not of this earth, because we are of Christ.

You, like others who misinterpret scripture, are reading things into the text that aren't there. When Jesus said we will be as the angels of God He did not say we will be like them in every way. You are reading that into the text. The ways in which He indicated we will be like them is in that no one will get married at that point (angels don't get married) and no one will ever die again at that point (angels don't die). That's it.

 

[Davidpt]

Yes, in this age of time we are now living in people marry! But when we have part in the resurrected life of Christ when we are SPIRITUALLY born again, we do not marry because we are as the angels of God in heaven SPIRITUAL beings. As children of the resurrection life of Christ we are espoused to Christ, His bride. Christ is revealing spiritual truths in the spiritual age/life we enter when we are born again. He is not speaking of physical marriage that belongs to this age.

Why do you even believe in a bodily resurrection in the future when you deny some of the passages undeniably pertaining to exactly that?

Luke 20:34-38 is crystal clear. I guess to everyone except for maybe you, that a bodily resurrection is what is in view.

Granted, the majority is not always right. But in this case how can only one person alone be interpreting Luke 20:34-38 correctly, but everyone else isn't?

I tend to think the doctrine of Amil has maybe messed up your thinking. Let me ask this then, which might prove my theory. Obviously, you weren't always an Amil. Which means there was a period of time when you weren't an Amil. During that period of time how did you interpret Luke 20:34-38? In the same manner you do now? Or in a different manner altogether?

 

[rwb]

Nope, it was you. In post #199 of this thread you said this in relation to what Jesus said in Luke 20:34-36:

Here is complete post #199, please highlight where you think I've said, I believe "the end of the age (at which point the age to come arrives) in Luke 20:34-36 referred to the end of the old covenant age when Jesus died and rose again?"

"The age to come came when Christ came in the Kingdom of God ushering in the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God. We have entered the Kingdom of God that now is spiritual when we are born again. That means we have spiritually, not physically entered the age that according to Christ was to come through His resurrection. The age to come that we spiritually enter when we are born again, shall be the immortal physical Kingdom on the New Earth when the seventh trumpet sounds. But until that day, we count ourselves as spirits of just men made perfectly the spiritual body spiritually dwelling living souls with Christ in the heavenly realm through the Spirit of Christ in us.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are counted among the living even though they are physically dead, because God is not God of the dead, but of the living. They are among the living after physical death because before they died, they were of the resurrection of Christ through promise according to faith. They have already obtained the eternal age Christ ushered in when He came in the Kingdom of God.

Matthew 22:29-32 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

As spiritually the body of Christ, living souls are as angels of God spiritually in heaven, where there is no marriage. This age is physical of flesh & blood, but the age we enter when we are born again is not of flesh & blood but the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:47-50 (KJV) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:19-20 (KJV) For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.

This is why we don't worship God through our physical mortal body, rather we worship Him in SPIRIT and in truth. Having eternal spiritual life through Christ, we have His promise that though our body shall die must be resurrected again, our living eternal spirit shall never die because the life we receive when we are born again is eternal, and shall be immortal and incorruptible when the last trumpet sounds."

So, you equated the end of this age with the time of Christ's resurrection at which point you indicated you think the age to come began. So, which is it? Is the end of the age going to be when Jesus returns or when He was resurrected?

I made no reference to this physical age now ended with the coming of Christ. The resurrection of Christ ushered in the age that He says is coming through His resurrection that is spiritual not physical, not of this world, but within believers. You're consumed with a physical Kingdom that shall come after the first heaven and earth passes away, thinking that believers shall not possess ETERNAL life until our body is raised immortal! Why do you think Christ tells Nicodemus (and us) the Kingdom of God cannot be known/seen or entered until man is born again. How do we know and enter the Kingdom of God that is not of this world, cannot be physically observed, and is within us, but is NOT a physical Kingdom?

Yes, He most certainly is. When that resurrection occurs, will anyone ever get married again? No.

Why do we not marry in the age Christ says is coming through resurrection? Because Christ is NOT speaking of the physical age that shall come after this first heaven and earth passes away. He is speaking of the spiritual Kingdom of God where we are, spiritually speaking, the bride espoused to Christ. In the spiritual age the resurrection of Christ has ushered in we never die because in this age we inherited ETERNAL life, and though our body is destined to die, we, as spiritual body of Christ shall NEVER die!

You, like others who misinterpret scripture, are reading things into the text that aren't there. When Jesus said we will be as the angels of God He did not say we will be like them in every way. You are reading that into the text. The ways in which He indicated we will be like them is in that no one will get married at that point (angels don't get married) and no one will ever die again at that point (angels don't die). That's it.

Where are we spiritually when we are born again? Where does the spiritual body of Christ go when our natural body of flesh dies? If we are spiritually abiding in Christ through His Spirit in us, we are now spiritually living and reigning with Christ in the Kingdom of God in heaven. That's why Christ says in the age to come through His resurrection He ushered in, we don't worship in Him through physical flesh, we worship Him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH. That's why Scripture speaks of believers, all who have been born again as already being raised and seated with Christ in the heavenly realm of God. Not through flesh & blood, but through spirit guided by the Spirit of Christ in us. That's why Christ says in the resurrection that is coming through Him, believers are already spiritually as the angels of God in heaven and we shall NEVER die.