Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[GodsGrace]

You do not like the word begotten because it single handedly proves the one God formula wrong. The Jehovah's Witnesses when they do not like a word they try to change its meaning.....Do not do this, it is unbecoming of you.
The bible is not a dictionary, but it gives plenty examples of what begot, beget, and begotten mean. And the biblical examples do not show the meaning as created.

UFFA!
Begotten does NOT mean created!
We agree.

And yes, this word causes confusion (as like right now in our conversation) so I DO wish it would be abolished.

The REASON is should be abolished is because we get hung up on the word instead of the doctrine.

And I'm not like the JWs that want to change words in the bible.
IN OTHER LANGUAGES this doctrine is understood because the word BEGOTTEN is not used.

Hundreds of scriptures prove the one God formula wrong.
Dozens of scriptures define what begot, beget, and begotten means.
Believing in false beliefs are always a matter of juggling vague scriptures and altering their meanings.
The meaning of begotten is clear in the scriptures because it is what exactly happened.....Yahweh impregnated a woman and she had Yahweh' Son. And the fact that Yeshua is the Son of Yahweh is a well established fact.
Old and New Testament.....and it does mean sired.

I really don't care to discuss the word BEGOTTEN anymore.

What does sired mean?

Cambridge Dictionary
to become the male parent of an animal or the father of a child:
The foal was sired by a cup-winning racehorse.
old use or humorous At the age of 70, he married a much younger woman and went on to sire two more children.




The above implies a sexual union.

Genesis 5:3-5:32
3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. 7 After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters. 8 So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.

9 Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan. 10 After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters. 11 So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.

12 Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel. 13 After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters. 14 So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.

15 Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared. 16 After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters. 17 So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.

18 Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. 19 After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 20 So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.

21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. 22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech. 26 After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters. 27 So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.

28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed.” 30 After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters. 31 So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.

32 And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Genesis 11:10-11:27
10 This is the genealogy of Shem: Shem was one hundred years old, and begot Arphaxad two years after the flood. 11 After he begot Arphaxad, Shem lived five hundred years, and begot sons and daughters.

12 Arphaxad lived thirty-five years, and begot Salah. 13 After he begot Salah, Arphaxad lived four hundred and three years, and begot sons and daughters.

14 Salah lived thirty years, and begot Eber. 15 After he begot Eber, Salah lived four hundred and three years, and begot sons and daughters.

16 Eber lived thirty-four years, and begot Peleg. 17 After he begot Peleg, Eber lived four hundred and thirty years, and begot sons and daughters.

18 Peleg lived thirty years, and begot Reu. 19 After he begot Reu, Peleg lived two hundred and nine years, and begot sons and daughters.

20 Reu lived thirty-two years, and begot Serug. 21 After he begot Serug, Reu lived two hundred and seven years, and begot sons and daughters.

22 Serug lived thirty years, and begot Nahor. 23 After he begot Nahor, Serug lived two hundred years, and begot sons and daughters.

24 Nahor lived twenty-nine years, and begot Terah. 25 After he begot Terah, Nahor lived one hundred and nineteen years, and begot sons and daughters.

26 Now Terah lived seventy years, and begot [a]Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

27 This is the genealogy of Terah: Terah begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran. Haran begot Lot.

​

Matthew 1:2-1:15
2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers. 3 Judah begot Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez begot Hezron, and Hezron begot Ram. 4 Ram begot Amminadab, Amminadab begot Nahshon, and Nahshon begot Salmon. 5 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse, 6 and Jesse begot David the king.

David the king begot Solomon by her [a]who had been the wife of Uriah. 7 Solomon begot Rehoboam, Rehoboam begot Abijah, and Abijah begot [b]Asa. 8 Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah. 9 Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah. 10 Hezekiah begot Manasseh, Manasseh begot [c]Amon, and Amon begot Josiah. 11 Josiah begot [d]Jeconiah and his brothers about the time they were carried away to Babylon.

12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begot Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begot Zerubbabel. 13 Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. 14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud. 15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob

Hebrews 1:5
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”?

Hebrews 5:5
5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him: “You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.”

Hebrew 11:17
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

1st John 4:9
9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.

When you start counting the over one hundred and fifty scriptures that prove the one God formula wrong, you start off with over 50 My Father and My Father in Heaven scriptures then get into them talking to each other or Yeshua praying to Yahweh. Yeshua ascending to Yahweh....sitting to right of Yahweh on a throne.

I am no longer debating what BEGET means in THEOLOGY.
A person either understands it or they refuse to because they don't believe in the Trinity.

 

[Grailhunter]

And yes, this word causes confusion (as like right now in our conversation) so I DO wish it would be abolished.

As I have proven it is very well documented. Confusion for those that do not like the truth.

 

[Grailhunter]

The above implies a sexual union.

The biblical description implies sex. By the words used....conceived and impregnate and a baby was born. How does a woman conceive? When sperm from a male fertilizes the female egg. Now if the scriptures would have said-----Yahweh caused her to conceive.....I could go along with some abnormal process, but since it does not. I am going with what is suggested.....sperm was involved.

But like a lot of things sometimes it does not matter what the scriptures say or do not say.....people will believe what they want. As for me.......we have no video, so it is enough for me to say Yahweh is the Father of Yeshua. But if we change the meaning of the words in the scriptures because we do not like them, we follow the ways of the Jehovah's Witnesses and we can produce one weird religion.

Interesting though....Because sex for most Christians is considered dirty, nasty, and sinful....and of the devil? It is the one thing that people believe that God is not powerful enough to have sex with a woman. But Yahweh created the process of procreation......I don't think that Yahweh said to Himself.....And now I will create something dirty, nasty, and sinful.

The belief that Miriam was still a virgin after she conceived and even after she gave birth was to prove that neither Yahweh or Yeshua had to touch that nasty vagina.

Again, we can believe that Yahweh miraculously made Miriam pregnant, but the scriptures do not say that.
We can believe that Yahweh miraculously put a baby in her womb, but the scriptures do not say that.
You seem to think that procreation means create.....but under no circumstances does procreation mean create.
God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son....

But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.

....do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit...

So did Yahweh have sex with Miriam.....the scriptures do not say that.....just that she conceived, and I can leave it at that.

 

[LoveYeshua]

As I have proven it is very well documented. Confusion for those that do not like the truth.

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

????

 

[GodsGrace]

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I believe @Grailhunter was referring to something else.
He does believe Jesus is God.

 

[GodsGrace]

The biblical description implies sex. By the words used....conceived and impregnate and a baby was born. How does a woman conceive? When sperm from a male fertilizes the female egg. Now if the scriptures would have said-----Yahweh caused her to conceive.....I could go along with some abnormal process, but since it does not. I am going with what is suggested.....sperm was involved.

But like a lot of things sometimes it does not matter what the scriptures say or do not say.....people will believe what they want. As for me.......we have no video, so it is enough for me to say Yahweh is the Father of Yeshua. But if we change the meaning of the words in the scriptures because we do not like them, we follow the ways of the Jehovah's Witnesses and we can produce one weird religion.

Gosh GH...I don't think there was an intimate union going on here:

Luke 1:31-35
31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32 [aa]He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the [ab]Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of His kingdom.” 34 But Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I [ac]am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason [ad]the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

Interesting though....Because sex for most Christians is considered dirty, nasty, and sinful....and of the devil? It is the one thing that people believe that God is not powerful enough to have sex with a woman. But Yahweh created the process of procreation......I don't think that Yahweh said to Himself.....And now I will create something dirty, nasty, and sinful.

You are pretty obsessed with this idea.
I don't know many that would agree.
I might be wrong...we'd have to take a poll.
It sure would make an interesting thead!

The belief that Miriam was still a virgin after she conceived and even after she gave birth was to prove that neither Yahweh or Yeshua had to touch that nasty vagina.

This conversation needs to end.
To imply that God, who is spirit, had to have physical contact with Mary sounds rather blasphemous to me.
And not for the reason you state above.

Again, we can believe that Yahweh miraculously made Miriam pregnant, but the scriptures do not say that.
We can believe that Yahweh miraculously put a baby in her womb, but the scriptures do not say that.

That's exactly what Luke says.

You seem to think that procreation means create.....but under no circumstances does procreation mean create.
God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son....

Let's clarify.....
Only God can CREATE.

But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.

....do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit...

Correct.
But conceived HOW?
Certainly not in the way a human is.
Although we do have invetro fertilization now where a man is not necessary.
Interesting.

So did Yahweh have sex with Miriam.....the scriptures do not say that.....just that she conceived, and I can leave it at that.

I believe scripture states this.
But, yes, best to leave it at this.

 

[Grailhunter]

Gosh GH...I don't think there was an intimate union going on here:

Luke 1:31-35
31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32 [aa]He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the [ab]Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of His kingdom.” 34 But Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I [ac]am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason [ad]the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.



You are pretty obsessed with this idea.
I don't know many that would agree.
I might be wrong...we'd have to take a poll.
It sure would make an interesting thead!

This conversation needs to end.
To imply that God, who is spirit, had to have physical contact with Mary sounds rather blasphemous to me.
And not for the reason you state above.

That's exactly what Luke says.


Let's clarify.....
Only God can CREATE.


Correct.
But conceived HOW?
Certainly not in the way a human is.
Although we do have invetro fertilization now where a man is not necessary.
Interesting.

I believe scripture states this.
But, yes, best to leave it at this.

I am saying what the scriptures say......I never imply create.

The words used imply sex.......Yahweh impregnated Miriam......the scriptures say she conceived....She delivered the Son of Yahweh. Now how did that happen.....The words used suggest the normal way. No big theological words used.

The difference between me and most people......I do not care how it happened, I am just quoting scripture.
If the scriptures would say He miraculously impregnated Miriam, my only problem with that would be......
would He actually be the Son of God. Then the word create would apply.

Then the whole pre-existing thing would mean He manifested Himself as a fetus......but the scriptures do not suggest that either.

Again I do not care how it happened I am just quoting scripture. Same thing with the 3 in 1 God thing, I do not care I am just quoting over hundred scriptures that do not support the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity.

So that you know, if I do not respond to you today it is because I am moving to another place. Everything is a little disrupted. God Bless.

 

[GodsGrace]

I am saying what the scriptures say......I never imply create.

The words used imply sex.......Yahweh impregnated Miriam......the scriptures say she conceived....She delivered the Son of Yahweh. Now how did that happen.....The words used suggest the normal way. No big theological words used.

The difference between me and most people......I do not care how it happened, I am just quoting scripture.
If the scriptures would say He miraculously impregnated Miriam, my only problem with that would be......
would He actually be the Son of God. Then the word create would apply.

Then the whole pre-existing thing would mean He manifested Himself as a fetus......but the scriptures do not suggest that either.

Again I do not care how it happened I am just quoting scripture. Same thing with the 3 in 1 God thing, I do not care I am just quoting over hundred scriptures that do not support the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity.

So that you know, if I do not respond to you today it is because I am moving to another place. Everything is a little disrupted. God Bless.

Oh boy.
No further comment.
Good luck with the move!!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The words used imply sex.......Yahweh impregnated Miriam......

The scripture does NOT say God the Father had sex with Mary

God used the power of Word saying she would bare a child and she became pregnant when she BELIEVED God's Word.

If she had refused to believe, God would have chosen some other woman.

 

[Grailhunter]

The scripture does NOT say God the Father had sex with Mary View attachment 79405

God used the power of Word saying she would bare a child and she became pregnant when she BELIEVED God's Word.

If she had refused to believe, God would have chosen some other woman.

It is just what the scriptures describes....
Could Yeshua actually be the Son of God if He was miraculous manifested?
The word begotten is used and the scriptures make it clear what that word means.
The word conceive is used and we know what that means, a male sperm fertilizes a female egg.
And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn.
And the fact that Yeshua is the Son of God is clear in the scriptures, so it goes along with the normal procreation process except it is from Yahweh.

The scriptures do not say that Yahweh used the power of the Word to impregnate her....or that Yeshua was manifested or any other miraculous word. The scripture does not say that Yahweh miraculously caused her egg to be fertilized or manifested a baby in her womb or that Yeshua shrunk Himself down and beamed Himself into her womb. Yahweh casting His seed into Miriam's womb is miraculous enough.
The scriptures are modest when it comes to the sex act itself so it would not describe the thrust by thrust of actual sex.
People go to the scriptures and superimpose what they believe or like over and above the scriptures. If you are going to do that why not just write your own Bible.
So take what the scriptures say or not.
A lot of this opposition to Yahweh having sex with Miriam is because people believe sex is dirty and nasty and sinful and of the devil.....But Yahweh designed the process of procreation and never said it was dirty.
The Catholics were so against the natural process that they did not want Yahweh touching her vagina nor did they want the baby Yeshua touching her vagina, so they had Yeshua beamed into and out of her womb....so she remained a virgin after the birth of Yeshua. How many people think the term Virgin Mary appears in the scriptures, or even describe her as a virgin after she conceived?

On the other hand if the scriptures described a miraculous process for impregnating Miriam I would have no problem with that. There are instances where Yahweh caused women to be pregnant but that is not what is described here. Could Yeshua actually be the Son of God if He was miraculous manifested? No, He would be miraculous creation of Yahweh.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

It is just what the scriptures describes....

No, actually it does not.

Only the sex pervert amongst us think God the Father came down to earth and had sexual relations with mary.

These people are perverts and have dirty filthy minds just like their father the devil who perverts everything.

Could Yeshua actually be the Son of God if He was miraculous manifested?

Er, yes.

To say Jesus is not the Son of God throws one's salvation right out the winder and puts them back on the highway to hell.

God used the power of Word saying she would bare a child and she became pregnant when she BELIEVED God's Word.

This sounds like those guys that claim Eve and satan had sex in the garden of eden or that Eve sexually satisfied satan in some way common called the "serpent seed" false doctrine

People like this watch porn and molest children and other such sexual perversions.

The scriptures are modest when it comes to the sex act itself so it would not describe the thrust by thrust of actual sex.

You should keep your sexual perversion fantasies to yourself.

A lot of this opposition to Yahweh having sex with Miriam is because people believe sex is dirty and nasty and sinful and of the devil.....But Yahweh designed the process of procreation and never said it was dirty.

You are a pervert!

Just like the serpent seed doctrine heretics

 

[Grailhunter]

No, actually it does not.

Only the sex pervert amongst us think God the Father came down to earth and had sexual relations with mary.

These people are perverts and have dirty filthy minds just like their father the devil who perverts everything.




Er, yes.

To say Jesus is not the Son of God throws one's salvation right out the winder and puts them back on the highway to hell.

God used the power of Word saying she would bare a child and she became pregnant when she BELIEVED God's Word.

This sounds like those guys that claim Eve and satan had sex in the garden of eden or that Eve sexually satisfied satan in some way common called the "serpent seed" false doctrine

People like this watch porn and molest children and other such sexual perversions. View attachment 79484






You should keep your sexual perversion fantasies to yourself.





You are a pervert!

Just like the serpent seed doctrine heretics

No, actually it does not.

Only the sex pervert amongst us think God the Father came down to earth and had sexual relations with mary.

These people are perverts and have dirty filthy minds just like their father the devil who perverts everything.




Er, yes.

To say Jesus is not the Son of God throws one's salvation right out the winder and puts them back on the highway to hell.

God used the power of Word saying she would bare a child and she became pregnant when she BELIEVED God's Word.

This sounds like those guys that claim Eve and satan had sex in the garden of eden or that Eve sexually satisfied satan in some way common called the "serpent seed" false doctrine

People like this watch porn and molest children and other such sexual perversions. View attachment 79484






You should keep your sexual perversion fantasies to yourself.





You are a pervert!

Just like the serpent seed doctrine heretics

I understand that Christians think that sex is dirty, nasty, sinful, and of the devil.
But where do they get it? Where does it say that Yahweh created sex dirty, nasty, sinful, and of the devil?
Crazy beliefs.....it is a wonder that Christianity has survived with such stupidity.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I understand that Christians think that sex is dirty, nasty, sinful, and of the devil.
But where do they get it? Where does it say that Yahweh created sex dirty, nasty, sinful, and of the devil?
Crazy beliefs.....it is a wonder that Christianity has survived with such stupidity.

You should keep your sexual perversion fantasies and spiritual porn to yourself.

 

[Adventageous]

A lot of this opposition to Yahweh having sex with Miriam

Just curious, are you of the LDS faith? That is the standard teaching in their 'standard works', but if not, let me know otherwise, and what faith, please. Thank you.

 

[Grailhunter]

You should keep your sexual perversion fantasies and spiritual porn to yourself.

The scriptures say what they say and they are not perverted and you should keep your stupidity to yourself.

 

[Grailhunter]

Just curious, are you of the LDS faith? That is the standard teaching in their 'standard works', but if not, let me know otherwise, and what faith, please. Thank you.

LOL I am an educated Theologian I worship with many denominations. The scriptures say what they say and Yahweh had a son by impregnating a Miriam. Just to hear your side of it, use the words in the scriptures to describe this event and you describe how it happened.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The scriptures say what they say and they are not perverted and you should keep your stupidity to yourself.

The scriptures does not say "and God had sex with Mary"

Only the perverts are saying that

I am an educated Theologian

In other words, educated in the darkened wisdom of mankind with assistance from the devil.

That's what theology has become.

God did not come down and start bangin Mary

 

[Triumph1300]

LOL I am an educated Theologian

That means "don't argue with me, I know better".

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That means "don't argue with me, I know better".

Exactly.

They think every one should "sit down, shut up and we will tell you what to believe"