Impediments to Spiritual Growth in Christ.

[Lizbeth]

You are holding the statement from the wrong end. If you had faith the size of a mustard seed you would move mountains. So will you claim to move mountains too? All because you figure you have the same kind of faith as provides the eternal rest of God?

The truth sets us free...from sin...fully. Truth comes with the power of the eternal reality of life in the Spirit...resurrection life. You are conflating beliefs with faith. Just as people confuse facts with truth.

There is no truth in this world. One must leave this world to be where Jesus is to experience the truth.

The carnal mind must lower the standard to everyday reality...in order to avoid the POWER of the gospel.

Do you think Jesus, the Word made flesh, was talking about a literal mountain and sea? Are we still so hard of hearing? We need to understand from His written word what kind of mountain and sea He was referring to.

If we have a new man and our old man is crucified with Christ then we HAVE been set free......even if we do not yet SEE it fully manifested yet. I'm afraid you are the one who is carnal in your thinking. Another example is how so many things come against the child of God in this life, even unto death for some, and yet scripture says we are more than conquerors through Christ.....even though it doesn't often LOOK that way. We are more than conquerors through Christ is the Truth......even when the facts would seem to be saying the opposite.

I'm not lowering any standard....Truth in terms of righteous and holy living is the plumbline that we need to be earnestly seeking to line up with.

Human logic...that has a bad reasoning. What you SHOULD think is...since I am not walking in holiness and the power of the life to come...then I must NOT have entered into God's rest yet. I must not have put on the new man yet. And from there apply humility and the fear of the Lord...and wait at His gate.

The bible speaks of tasting the powers of the world to come. I fully acknowledge and am aware there is a difference between HAVING the new man and actually manifesting and walking in it.....walking in the Spirit. Yes, we need to be honest with the Lord, humble, seeking, mourning our shortcomings and waiting at His gate.

Clever...but God doesn't lie, so your reasoning is carnal.

That's the wonderful thing about it....God doesn't lie. If He says something, it is Truth.....it becomes Truth....He creates it by His Word....that is why it says He calls those things which be not as though they are. But you still go around and avoid addressing the scriptures I and others bring to this subject.

You can't. Holiness is NOT attained by human effort. It is the foolish doctrine that men can enter into holiness progressively that has beguiled those who don't know or want to...seek the Lord.

Never said and nor do I think it is by human effort. What do we (or will we ever have) that we didn't receive? It has to come from the Lord, and so to Him we look and ask and seek. But you seem to be saying there is no value in the foolishness of preaching/teaching and of the washing of the water of His word. Why did Jesus bother to preach/teach as He did and why did the apostles preach/teach and write to the church as they did? God's word, the Truth, has power to have a cleansing effect and it strengthens and builds us up in the inner man. I think tentatively in terms of growth being needful and progressive up to a point and then a final severing/separation from what ties us to this world and flesh. And I believe that a necessary part of growth involves fully facing the true condition of our "self", our old man nature, in God's light and by the plumbline and mirror of His word. If we would judge ourselves we will not be judged with the world.

 

[Lizbeth]

A strawman and utterly self-aggrandizing. You are arguing that a puddle is wetter than a lake. As usual your content is laughable and with evil intent. Such shallowness can only come from a deceiver.

The devil believes Jesus is the Christ too..the demons called out to Him. Your spirit is wrong...you are trying to destroy the depth of the truth in favour of a religious mental assent. Who would do that? I tell you that the devil has infiltrated the churches to such an extent, it is a wonder that we find anyone that can tolerate sound doctrine anymore.

I think anyone who doesn't believe and affirm that faith in Christ is sound doctrine can't even be called a Christian. That is a gospel according to themselves....a false gospel.

 

[Lizbeth]

You throw around buzzwords from mysticism to dodge denying what God actually wrote. That is not deep, that is deceit. Jesus did not elevate truth above facts. He claimed to be the truth God revealed. He prayed, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” ~John 17:17 If His Word is truth then facts God reveals are not optional mental ascent. They are literally how God saves, sanctifies, and protects His children.

You claim doctrine is concerned with experience. Scripture says doctrine comes from teaching that we are to believe, hold, and obey. Timothy was told to “hold fast the form of sound words” and men who turn from doctrine will shipwreck their faith. ~2 Timothy 1: 13 ~1 Timothy 1:19 Experience never produces truth. Real truth produces fruit.

You try to split believers into categories of “those who know” and those who do not. Scripture calls that pride. “Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.” ~1 Corinthians 8:1 You write of an invisible remnant who possess secret knowledge. Paul directly condemns that arrogant attitude when he talks about men being “vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind” because they believe they have access to mysteries that were never written ~Colossians 2:18.

You elevate prophets and teachers that have revelations that build upon or go beyond what Scripture cannot teach us. God said that already. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine…that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” ~2 Timothy 3: 16–17 If God’s Word thoroughly equips us for every good work your extra realm, extra biblical language of reveling, and invisible church aren’t necessary at best and counterfeit at worst.

You use the superficial meaning of “the letter kills” to throw out the Bible. Paul was attacking the use of the law as a means of justification, not the inspired Word of God. He was contrasting it with the Spirit who gives life through the gospel. ~2 Corinthians 3. Peter warned that distorting Paul’s words would destroy you ~2 Peter 3:16. You are doing this.

You say believers are made instantly holy but growing in maturity is optional. Scripture says justification and sanctification flow from our union with Christ and produce observable obedience. “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” ~Hebrews 12: 14 Grace does not nullify obedience it produces obedience in us. ~Titus 2:11–12

You speak of those who don’t know Jesus as lacking experience. Scripture never commands us to test truth by our experiences. It says we are to test every spirit by the apostles doctrine. ~1 John 4:1 When someone claims superior insight, secret power, or access beyond the plain Word, the warning lights should be flashing.

This is not an issue of learning to embrace both depth and discipleship. This is realizing you have made an idol of your subjective experience over the written Word while taking verses out of context to support it. That is ancient heresy. “Hath God said?” ~Genesis 3:1

The gospel is not believing into some mystical realm that only a select few will ever tap into. The gospel is that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, was raised again, and whoever believes that message will be saved. ~1 Corinthians 15: 1–4 Believers are then called to grow in that grace by abiding in the Word, not rising above it. ~Colossians 2:6–8

The Bible doesn’t point us into ourselves to find some hidden mystical knowledge. It points us to Christ.

False teachers always offer more than God gave. Hidden knowledge, secret power, deeper realms. Scripture calls that pride, not maturity.

If we look at this man's testimony of how he came to believe in Christ.......that and everything together makes me wonder if he needs deliverance from his past involvement in new age. New agers have "experiences".....and the devil does indeed believe, except he comes only to deceitfully destroy. I consider there is some truth to what Episkopos is talking about regarding holiness, but he does it in a way that despises and discards and treads the foundation of the faith underfoot. The Holy Spirit would never do that....but the devil would and does.

 

[Laurina]

You claim you only write for those who are “ready” to hear truth. The apostles preached the truth openly and plainly to the public. Paul said that he refused to “handle the Word of God deceitfully” by hiding behind secret and mysterious teachings ~2 Corinthians 4:2. Truth isn’t “hidden” or couched in mysticism.

Question:
Have you ACTUALLY read 2 Corinthians chapter 4, ALL of it??
Here's the first few verses:



You said truth isn't hidden. I can't and don't agree. Jesus said He was the Truth (and the Way and the Life). Since the Truth needs to be revealed to us, it is hidden until it is revealed. AND... IF it's not hidden, then WHY do we need to seek??? "Seek and you will find...", "your face, Lord, will I seek", there are so many verses that command us to seek.

Truth isn't "couched in mysticism", you say.
AGAIN, I can't and don't agree, because of what The Word says (I have no idea what Bible you read!?!?)

 

[amigo de christo]

I think anyone who doesn't believe and affirm that faith in Christ is sound doctrine can't even be called a Christian. That is a gospel according to themselves....a false gospel.

And exactly right this is my dear sister . That be a d eadly mistake indeed . It is another gospel , SO called .

 

[Lizbeth]

and many are gonna pay a deep and heavy price for having made void the very fact that one MUST beleive on CHRIST .
in fact , as you reminded us , that cometh NOT of GOD but of that which is of anti c hrist . Many have no idea
what spell their inclusivism had led them too . JESUS is being DENIED , the one true gospel IS being denied .
And that cometh NOT OF GOD but of the sepernt who always desired the death of humanity
and tis why he even had eve to eat of the tree in the f irst place . And its why HE desires for man NOT to BLEIEVE
one has TO BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST , the SON of GOD . Oh the devil do lie . and he sure can say
GOD is love but he gonna twist this and by his version of love will lead them all into the greatest hour of rebellion
Against the very GOD and HIS CHRIST and his saints . And right to the day of their own perdition as well .

Amen. That is the serpent's entire purpose as you are pointing out.....to lead souls to hell. Steal, kill and destroy. And if he can destroy the foundation of the faith, he destroys the faith - AKA apostasy - because God's word says,"what can the righteous do if the foundation be destroyed?" It's far more serious and not the same thing as small errors or needing to grow and gain more understanding.

 

[Lizbeth]

Question:
Have you ACTUALLY read 2 Corinthians chapter 4, ALL of it??
Here's the first few verses:

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You said truth isn't hidden. I can't and don't agree. Jesus said He was the Truth (and the Way and the Life). Since the Truth needs to be revealed to us, it is hidden until it is revealed. AND... IF it's not hidden, then WHY do we need to seek??? "Seek and you will find...", "your face, Lord, will I seek", there are so many verses that command us to seek.

Truth isn't "couched in mysticism", you say.
AGAIN, I can't and don't agree, because of what The Word says (I have no idea what Bible you read!?!?)

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I agree.... in principle at least. But we need to test all things...the devil does deceive and counterfeit the things of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think anyone who doesn't believe and affirm that faith in Christ is sound doctrine can't even be called a Christian. That is a gospel according to themselves....a false gospel.

Many can th row around all sorts of buzz words and etc .
But upon v ery simple examination
What is it they do . Long ago i watched this epi
and He called preaching of the dire need to BELEIVE on JESUS
As religious dogma . Something aint right at all .
For that is the very foundation and b eginning of our walk . IF one beleives NOT
ON JESUS the CHRIST , well it dont matter how much they tried to have an appearance of godliness
It p rofits them nothing .
Epi has long raged against this . Big mistake .
I myself have often warned against the false lip hyper grace movement
BUT you dont see me preaching something else in its stead , AS DOES EPI .
WHEN the gospel IS OMITTED , then its all in vain .
Just how of ten have you seen that man putting the cart in front of the horse .
ALL the time . SO what will it have ma ttered if even one did have an appearance of some kind of holy walk .
IT WAS ALL IN VAIN . it was a show , it was nothing more than
SEEKING to a ttain it by their own efforts . DIDNT work out for the jews , it wont w ork out for anyone else either .
JESUS and the DIRE NEED To BELEIVE ON HIM , HAS TO BE PUT FIRST and FOREMOST
THEN one can teach and instruct on a holy walk . But this DOES NOT EPI .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. That is the serpent's entire purpose as you are pointing out.....to lead souls to hell. Steal, kill and destroy. And if he can destroy the foundation of the faith, he destroys the faith - AKA apostasy - because God's word says,"what can the righteous do if the foundation be destroyed?" It's far more serious and not the same thing as small errors or needing to grow and gain more understanding.

Any who giveth GOD not the glory is in dire and deadly danger .
And thus any who honors NOT the SON is in dire and d eadly danger .
THUS anyone who can imply that ITS NOT totally necessary to have to BELIEVE on JESUS
On what HE DID for us , THAT HE IS the CHRIST , that we DO N EED HIM
GIVETH GOD NO GLORY
but has made himself his own god and created his own path , by his own m aking
which he thinks leads Him to GOD .
The d evil is a liar . We are not better than the jew and the jew than us .
ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT of the GLORY of GOD
ALL have sinned .
THUS ALL NEED to BELEIVE THE VERY TEST IMONY that GOD gave of the SON , for to be saved .
IN fact if a man believes NOT the testimony GOD gave of the son
THEY call GOD a liar . JOHN wrote that sister .
You are correct , the devil sure do come to steal , kill and to d estroy .
And he knows Exactly HOW to feed the carnal mind of man and to serve the desires of men
TO KEEP them TRAPPED IN BONDAGE of death .
I have seen epi hollering that you are using human wisdom . RATHER ODD , ITS HE WHO DOES SO .
but as i said they will often accuse of what it is they themselves are doing .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. That is the serpent's entire purpose as you are pointing out.....to lead souls to hell. Steal, kill and destroy. And if he can destroy the foundation of the faith, he destroys the faith - AKA apostasy - because God's word says,"what can the righteous do if the foundation be destroyed?" It's far more serious and not the same thing as small errors or needing to grow and gain more understanding.

Here is a real simple reminder for us all sister . To help remind us of just how we t ruly did and truly do need
CHRIST JESUS .
I want us to go and stand in front of our mirrors .
WHEN you see that reflection
tell me , Do you think in any way , shape or form
we could have saved ourselves , let alone truly changed ourselves .
WHEN i look in the mirror
and look at that reflection
THIS is what i see . That man could never have attained righteousness , let alone saved himself
that in fact THE ONLY GOODNESS i now have within me
COMETH of GOD by THE SPIRIT . cause it sure aint in my flesh .
I SEe a total deep need of CHRIST and at all times .
Man cannot save himself
In fact the only thing possible with man
WELL we seen that at the tree in the garden , AS DEATH CAME UPON THEM ALL .
MAN NEEDS JESUS CHRIST . WE NEED HIM and thus SO does everyone else .
Thus its time to POINT TO HE and HIS GOPSEL which darn sure means ONE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM .

 

[Wrangler]

The biggest impediment to growth in Christ is the flesh, and people's attachment to it.

The two biggest impediments is going too far left or too far right from the narrow path; too worldly or too spiritual.

While most people are too worldly, most Christians these days tend to be overly-spiritualized, thereby making themselves irrelevant in the public square.

Yes, Jesus preached but he also cured the sick, fed the hungry and gave sight to the blind. It’s not one over the other. It’s both working in harmony to the glory of God.

 

[Laurina]

Jer 29:13
"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with  all your  heart."

If you, @bdavidc , @amigo de christo , @Lizbeth , would seek God at least as much as you persecuted Epikopos, you may actually find what Epikopos found. You are putting your efforts in the wrong place.
Episkopos has a heart after God the same as David. And deep in your hearts, in your inner man, you know it...it just doesn't compute in your minds (head).

The word says to apply are hearts, not our heads. Check out Ps 90:12, Pro 2:2, 22:17, 23:12.


Do you think God needs you to defend Him (with your good intentions) or to be a witness of the truth? To be a witness, you need to see (experience) something of God's kingdom. I encourage you to seek His kingdom with all your heart, not persecute His disciples. Episkopos speaks of what God has shown him. What are you speaking of??

 

[Laurina]

I agree.... in principle at least. But we need to test all things...the devil does deceive and counterfeit the things of God.

You need to agree with your heart, not in principle.

I agree, we need to test ALL things.

Saul, (before being renamed Paul) with all his training in the scriptures persecuted God's disciples, yet he claimed to be doing it for God. Was he deceived?? How are you so sure that you are not the deceived one and acting like Saul??

 

[Lizbeth]

Here is a real simple reminder for us all sister . To help remind us of just how we t ruly did and truly do need
CHRIST JESUS .
I want us to go and stand in front of our mirrors .
WHEN you see that reflection
tell me , Do you think in any way , shape or form
we could have saved ourselves , let alone truly changed ourselves .
WHEN i look in the mirror
and look at that reflection
THIS is what i see . That man could never have attained righteousness , let alone saved himself
that in fact THE ONLY GOODNESS i now have within me
COMETH of GOD by THE SPIRIT . cause it sure aint in my flesh .
I SEe a total deep need of CHRIST and at all times .
Man cannot save himself
In fact the only thing possible with man
WELL we seen that at the tree in the garden , AS DEATH CAME UPON THEM ALL .
MAN NEEDS JESUS CHRIST . WE NEED HIM and thus SO does everyone else .
Thus its time to POINT TO HE and HIS GOPSEL which darn sure means ONE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM .

Amen....looking into the mirror of God's word and seeing why we need Jesus! We are so lost without Him, heading for perdition and deservedly so.

We need both the instruction and encouragement that comes from God's word, but oh my, it is also like fuller's soap when it shows us what we are, our fleshly nature, without Christ. I've heard people say we should rebuke the devil if we are reminded of sins of the past, but shouldn't we rather repent of anything and everything that comes to our awareness, either of the past or the present? I never knew even a small percentage of what I was when I first came to faith. It is only in God's light and really in the latter half of my journey that I've come to realize much more the extent of my iniquity. When I first came to the Lord I repented of unbelief, and felt so chagrined, but didn't know well enough yet to begin really facing and repenting of other specific sins, though the Lord delivered me from some things.

Seems to me we all have things deep down that have yet to be brought to the cross, so to speak. Repentance is like a dirty word to modern day Christianity.....one often gets an opposite impression in churches, that we should pretend to be perfect instead.... but repentance is actually the means to hope and how we apprehend more of Christ....it is a means to holiness. The bible says to confess our sins to God and He will be faithful to both forgive and to cleanse/deliver us. We often still have baggage that is undealt with when we first come to the Lord and we do even err after that because of it, as Christians. Maybe this is something Episkopos might consider with regard to certain things of his past.

Think it was John the Baptist who said Jesus would throughly purge His threshing floor.......we want to thoroughly cleanse the inside of our vessel.

 

[Lizbeth]

You need to agree with your heart, not in principle.

I agree, we need to test ALL things.

Saul, (before being renamed Paul) with all his training in the scriptures persecuted God's disciples, yet he claimed to be doing it for God. Was he deceived?? How are you so sure that you are not the deceived one and acting like Saul??

I do understand it in my heart...you are preaching to the choir with that. But "in principle" means I don't agree with where you may be applying or attributing it in this thread.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen....looking into the mirror of God's word and seeing why we need Jesus! We are so lost without Him, heading for perdition and deservedly so.

We need both the instruction and encouragement that comes from God's word, but oh my, it is also like fuller's soap when it shows us what we are, our fleshly nature, without Christ. I've heard people say we should rebuke the devil if we are reminded of sins of the past, but shouldn't we rather repent of anything and everything that comes to our awareness, either of the past or the present? I never knew even a small percentage of what I was when I first came to faith. It is only in God's light and really in the latter half of my journey that I've come to realize much more the extent of my iniquity. When I first came to the Lord I repented of unbelief, and felt so chagrined, but didn't know well enough yet to begin really facing and repenting of other specific sins, though the Lord delivered me from some things.

Seems to me we all have things deep down that have yet to be brought to the cross, so to speak. Repentance is like a dirty word to modern day Christianity.....one often gets an opposite impression in churches, that we should pretend to be perfect instead.... but repentance is actually the means to hope and how we apprehend more of Christ....it is a means to holiness. The bible says to confess our sins to God and He will be faithful to both forgive and to cleanse/deliver us. We often still have baggage that is undealt with when we first come to the Lord and we do even err after that because of it, as Christians. Maybe this is something Episkopos might consider with regard to certain things of his past.

Think it was John the Baptist who said Jesus would throughly purge His threshing floor.......we want to thoroughly cleanse the inside of our vessel.

Correct sister . the closer one is drawn to GOD the more wicked sin had appeared unto them .
The Lord God all mighty , Father of our Lord and savoir JESUS CHRIST
put this sheep into the s crips for to learn . And by HIS gr ace , by HIS SPIRIT
Examination began as well . IT didnt take long b efore by HIS grace
and by such lovely pure words , for me to realize more and more JUST HOW Much i do and did need him .
The words of the LORD are as fire that cleanses . THE VERY WORD of GOD did b ecome flesh .
Not f or his own sake , BUT F OR OURS and so that all who do b eleive on HIM wo uld be saved
and HE would PURIFY unto HIMSELF a peculiar peoples zealous of GOOD works .
HIS workmanship created . the new man .
And oh yes HE do work within us to mold and to shape us .
And yo u are spot on r ight sister .
Every man and woman is deserving of the RIGHTEOUS JUDG MENT of GOD.
BUT unto those who cometh to CHRIST , well MERCY rejoices against Judgment .
THE JUDGMENT we all DESERVED and sadly many will face FOR THEIR REJECTION of THE MERCY and LOVE
of GOD , CHRIST JESUS who could have saved them .
People act like The wrath of G OD is wrong . No , its us who was wrong and deserved it .
BUT SEEING GOD is LOVE , HE DID SEND the SON
so that all who do BELEIVE IN HIM should not perish but have everlasting life .
You see those three big words , BELEIVE IN HIM , epi seems to have a prob lem
WITH FOLKS THAT REMIND OF TH AT DIRE NEED . and sis ter THAT A MASSIVE RED FLAG .

 

[amigo de christo]

I do understand it in my heart...you are preaching to the choir with that. But "in principle" means I don't agree with where you may be applying or attibuting it in this thread.

Bingo .
Many can in principle say the right words
BUT yet use them to support something false and dead wrong .
FOR YES we SHO ULD TEST all things indeed .
B ut had she done so , SHE would not constantly be putting such wonderous likes on what epi says
and scowling at others who warn against him . OH we do need to test all .
BUT we better do so against THE TRUTH and the BIBLE SURE IS LOADED WITH such TRUTH .
yet many seem to omit and twist things in favor of human wisdom .

 

[amigo de christo]

You need to agree with your heart, not in principle.

I agree, we need to test ALL things.

Saul, (before being renamed Paul) with all his training in the scriptures persecuted God's disciples, yet he claimed to be doing it for God. Was he deceived?? How are you so sure that you are not the deceived one and acting like Saul??

WHO was saul persecuting again .
THOSE who were preaching THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST
those who were preaching the RESSURECTION through CHRIST .
And later paul , having been converted to Christ
would have war declared on him too
FOR constantly preaching the same REMINDER of the dire and absolute dire need TO BELEIVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
kinda odd epi seems to be acting more like the self righteous , I CAN DO THIS MYSELF ,
and goes after those who REMIN D rather, Of the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
Cause without FAITH IN CHRIST , and if one beleives not on him , THEY HAVE NO FAITH
we can DO NOTHING .
OH i preach every bit as much against the false hyper grace as do epi
cause i know there are many lip onlys .
BUT what you dont see me doing is REMOVING THE DIRE NEED TO FIRST BELEIVE ON HIM . But i cant say the same for epi .
WE better , as you yourself said , START REALLY examining and testing all things .
BUT not by our emotions
BUT BY the very words IN SCRIPTURE . cause many are falling far short . many are on a dangerous path indeed .

 

[amigo de christo]

You need to agree with your heart, not in principle.

I agree, we need to test ALL things.

Saul, (before being renamed Paul) with all his training in the scriptures persecuted God's disciples, yet he claimed to be doing it for God. Was he deceived?? How are you so sure that you are not the deceived one and acting like Saul??

proof that saul needed TO BELEIVE ON CHRIST JESUS . notice afterwards HE STILL USED THE SCRIPS
You just made that seem like knowing the scrips was the problem with saul .
IT was not the scriptures at fault , IT was the heart of a non coverted saul who
understood NOT the scrips . For had he t ruly known the scrips , HE had known they point to CHRIST .
Just cause there be folks that might THINK they know the scrips
dont mean they KNOW the AUTHOR OF said scrips .
THE DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , IS just that , THE DIRE NEED TO FIRST BELEIVE ON HIM .
cause without FAITH IN HIM , well the cart cannot pull the horse .
Something many better realize REAL fast .
I KNOW without HIM i can do nothing . ONLY in HIM and by HIM can i do all things .
WE better return to child like faith IN HIM .
AND if we had child like faith IN HIM
we had BELIEVED HIS WORDS . not omitted them . we better have a wake up call fast . cause many are headed
down the wrong road .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think anyone who doesn't believe and affirm that faith in Christ is sound doctrine can't even be called a Christian. That is a gospel according to themselves....a false gospel.

Lets come compare JOHNS words
to the words of epi .
John who wrote more than most in his letters about love .
HE who denies that JESUS IS CHRIST , HE is ANTI CHRIST .
That we BELEIVE ON HIS SON and love one another .
HE who beleives NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON calls GOD a liar .
Kinda odd that epi dont do as john
and remind about THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON THIS JESUS CHRIST .
Kinda odd that epi sounds nothing like paul ei ther
WHO continually reminded them ABOUT this dire need to BELIEVE
and not to even try and go back under the law , cause we sure cannot be perfected by the flesh .
IN fact what do epi do to men like me
WHO also warn against the lip only hyper grace movment .
HE whines non stop when i remind us WE MUST FIRST BELEIVE ON JESUS , or its all in vain .
NO wonder they have a problem with scriptures and etc .
Because the truth in that bible , SURE DO expose epi , NOW DONT IT .
And if we think paul warned , jude or john warned .
LOOK at how JESUS warned . YE SHALL DIE in your sins , FOR IF you BELIEVE NOT that I AM HE
you will die in your sins . WORSE for you than ever it was for sodom .
Epi sounds nohting like Christ or the apostels . he only has an appearance of preaching good works
but has made VOID the dire need of what was truly FIRST NECESSARY . TO have had TO BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
Now JESUS said WITHOUT ME ye can do nothing .
Epi says , HOG WASH that religious dogmatisim , WE can do this , Lets put the horse in the cart and get busy .