The "watch rapture view"

[covenantee]

Sure, I can explain that. First off, the food in your example was destroyed so the people would revolt against the Romans. They were not acting with the Romans. The Jews were trying to save their Temple and city.

The Jews themselves describe the destruction of the food as a "mad act", recognizing the entirely predictable outcome not of a revolt, but of the wholesale of destruction of Jews by Jews.

Notwithstanding that, they, with the Romans, were the divinely orchestrated agents of Messiah the Prince to bring judgment and destruction upon the city, sanctuary, and apostate people of Jerusalem and Judaea.

Now let's get to the truth.

Yes, let's. When do you plan to start?

Your definition of the destruction of Jerusalem excludes the destruction of the city and the sanctuary, while the Word of God says that the people of the prince that shall come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

The prince was Messiah the Prince, and the Romans and Jews were His people to accomplish His purposes of the judgment and destruction upon Jerusalem and Judaea.

 

[covenantee]

So what year was the Gentile Cornelius converted? This blows a hole in your above statement.

You've dug your own hole.

The Ethiopian eunuch was the first Gentile convert.

Eusebius, Father of Church History

But as the preaching of the Saviour’s Gospel was daily advancing, a certain providence led from the land of the Ethiopians an officer of the queen of that country, for Ethiopia even to the present day is ruled, according to ancestral custom, by a woman. He, first among the Gentiles, received of the mysteries of the divine word from Philip in consequence of a revelation, and having become the first-fruits of believers throughout the world, he is said to have been the first on returning to his country to proclaim the knowledge of the God of the universe and the life-giving sojourn of our Saviour among men; so that through him in truth the prophecy obtained its fulfillment, which declares that Ethiopia stretcheth out her hand unto God [Psalm 68:31]

Church History, II.I.13

 

[rvmb]

You've dug your own hole.

The Ethiopian eunuch was the first Gentile convert.

Eusebius, Father of Church History

But as the preaching of the Saviour’s Gospel was daily advancing, a certain providence led from the land of the Ethiopians an officer of the queen of that country, for Ethiopia even to the present day is ruled, according to ancestral custom, by a woman. He, first among the Gentiles, received of the mysteries of the divine word from Philip in consequence of a revelation, and having become the first-fruits of believers throughout the world, he is said to have been the first on returning to his country to proclaim the knowledge of the God of the universe and the life-giving sojourn of our Saviour among men; so that through him in truth the prophecy obtained its fulfillment, which declares that Ethiopia stretcheth out her hand unto God [Psalm 68:31]

Church History, II.I.13

""The Ethiopian eunuch was the first Gentile convert.""
Do you believe he was the first to be saved by the Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel as taught by Paul ?
I'm under the impression that Paul was the first to be saved > 1 Tim 1:16 ..for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first

 

[covenantee]

I am capable of understanding that you spend your time defending a fallen doctrine that was birthed by unbelieving men that did not believe that God would keep His promise to Israel. But Israel was reborn just as the Word of God said it would be.

So you consider the entirety of pre-1800 Christian orthodoxy to be "fallen doctrine that was birthed by unbelieving men".

You're talking about heroes who lived and died defending the True Faith.

There is truly no ignorance and arrogance to equal dispensational ignorance and arrogance. It is an abomination of desecration, an antichrist scourge within the True Church.

It will be returned to the pit from whence it comes.

 

[covenantee]

""The Ethiopian eunuch was the first Gentile convert.""
Do you believe he was the first to be saved by the Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel as taught by Paul ?
I'm under the impression that Paul was the first to be saved > 1 Tim 1:16 ..for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first

Yes, Paul was first, but not a Gentile.

 

[rvmb]

Yes, Paul was first, but not a Gentile.

How do you believe the eunuch was saved ?
Peters Gospel >> Acts 2:28
or
Pauls Gospel >> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.

 

[covenantee]

How do you believe the eunuch was saved ?
Peters Gospel >> Acts 2:28
or
Pauls Gospel >> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.

What do you think is the difference?

Check Acts 2:28; is that the Scripture that you meant?

 

[ScottA]

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


So since we are currently in a pre-70th week time status, the rapture could happen pre-70th week.

Should the rapture not take place as the 70th week begins, then we should continue to watch - as the resurrection/rapture is even closer.

My point is - don't be so dogmatic (as to insisting pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post trib timing). The key is to watch, be prepared, Matthew 24:44

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view".

To "watch" and "be also ready" is good--for it is written...

But why is it that you think the rapturous event is not rather simply the effect of this flesh taking on the Spirit--which, whether in life or in death, is not of this body, nor does anyone know the day nor the hour of His coming for us, that where He is we might be also? Such is the rush also described as "rapture."

 

[The Light]

That's literally what it says.

Is that all the 7th seal say? There is silence in heaven for 30 minutes and nothing else happens? The ungodly are brought to their knees with Gods wrath of silence in heaven?

You are not understanding that the seals show things that will happen when the rtrumps sound. Nothing happens when a seal is opened except a vision of the future.

The first six seals that John writes about are the very things that Jesus tell us about in Matthew 24. Jesus stops with the end of the age that occurs at the 6th seal. The seventh seal is the wrath of God and has nothing whatsoever to do with the first 6 seals.

Not the seals. They are opened in a dif order. The AC does not come first showing Christ did not open seal number 1 first.

This is your misunderstanding. The seals are opened in order and first thing Jesus says is that there will be false ChristS. The first false Christ is the rider on the white horse, the beast of the earth and the seventh king.

 

[The Light]

The Jews themselves describe the destruction of the food as a "mad act", recognizing the entirely predictable outcome not of a revolt, but of the wholesale of destruction of Jews by Jews.

Notwithstanding that, they, with the Romans, were the divinely orchestrated agents of Messiah the Prince to bring judgment and destruction upon the city, sanctuary, and apostate people of Jerusalem and Judaea.

Yes, let's. When do you plan to start?

The prince was Messiah the Prince, and the Romans and Jews were His people to accomplish His purposes of the judgment and destruction upon Jerusalem and Judaea.

If you want to believe your concocted nonsense, that the Jews destroyed their city and Temple, go ahead. Your own link provided evidence that the Jews were trying to protect the Temple.

Why is it always about doctrine and not truth?

 

[The Light]

You've dug your own hole.

The Ethiopian eunuch was the first Gentile convert.

Eusebius, Father of Church History

But as the preaching of the Saviour’s Gospel was daily advancing, a certain providence led from the land of the Ethiopians an officer of the queen of that country, for Ethiopia even to the present day is ruled, according to ancestral custom, by a woman. He, first among the Gentiles, received of the mysteries of the divine word from Philip in consequence of a revelation, and having become the first-fruits of believers throughout the world, he is said to have been the first on returning to his country to proclaim the knowledge of the God of the universe and the life-giving sojourn of our Saviour among men; so that through him in truth the prophecy obtained its fulfillment, which declares that Ethiopia stretcheth out her hand unto God [Psalm 68:31]

Church History, II.I.13

Significance as the First Gentile Convert
https://biblehub.com/q/who_was_cornelius_in_the_bible.htm
Acts 10 portrays Cornelius as a groundbreaking figure: his household becomes the first clear Gentile group to receive the full message of the gospel. Although earlier passages in Acts discuss ministry efforts reaching Samaritans (Acts 8) and the Ethiopian court official (Acts 8:26-40), Cornelius stands out for being a Gentile who actively embraced Jewish worship practices and who, along with his entire household, underwent a profound transformation.
https://biblehub.com/q/who_was_cornelius_in_the_bible.htm
By divine orchestration, Peter proclaims the good news of Jesus: “He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One appointed by God to judge the living and the dead” (Acts 10:42). Cornelius and those gathered respond with faith, and “the Holy Spirit fell upon all who heard the message” (Acts 10:44), demonstrating that salvation through Christ was extended to every nation.

 

[covenantee]

If you want to believe your concocted nonsense, that the Jews destroyed their city and Temple, go ahead. Your own link provided evidence that the Jews were trying to protect the Temple.

Why is it always about doctrine and not truth?

The Jews who declared it a "mad act" were and are well aware that it would do and did nothing to protect the Temple, but in fact the precise opposite.

Scripture, Scriptural history, and Scriptural grammar are about both doctrine and truth.

 

[covenantee]

Significance as the First Gentile Convert
Who was Cornelius in the Bible?
Acts 10 portrays Cornelius as a groundbreaking figure: his household becomes the first clear Gentile group to receive the full message of the gospel. Although earlier passages in Acts discuss ministry efforts reaching Samaritans (Acts 8) and the Ethiopian court official (Acts 8:26-40), Cornelius stands out for being a Gentile who actively embraced Jewish worship practices and who, along with his entire household, underwent a profound transformation.
Who was Cornelius in the Bible?
By divine orchestration, Peter proclaims the good news of Jesus: “He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One appointed by God to judge the living and the dead” (Acts 10:42). Cornelius and those gathered respond with faith, and “the Holy Spirit fell upon all who heard the message” (Acts 10:44), demonstrating that salvation through Christ was extended to every nation.

Neither Cornelius nor the Ethiopian eunuch invalidates the final 3 1/2 years of the 70th week being focused on Israel.

 

[ScottA]

That's literally what it says.

This is true.

But by the Spirit of all truth, the seventh seal being opened and silence in heaven--was in the beginning--which is where sin began and the revelations to follow of all that had occurred "before the foundation of the world."

The history of this world--is the revelation of Jesus Christ, the Word--who during the times of this world and the times of His speaking here in this world...there was silence in heaven.

 

[The Light]

Neither Cornelius nor the Ethiopian eunuch invalidates the final 3 1/2 years of the 70th week being focused on Israel.

There remains 3.5 years left of the 70th week of Daniel.

Time, times and half a time.

 

[The Light]

The Jews who declared it a "mad act" were and are well aware that it would do and did nothing to protect the Temple, but in fact the precise opposite.

Scripture, Scriptural history, and Scriptural grammar are about both doctrine and truth.

Your definition of the destruction of Jerusalem excludes the destruction of the city and the sanctuary, while the Word of God says that the people of the prince that shall come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

 

[covenantee]

There remains 3.5 years left of the 70th week of Daniel.

Time, times and half a time.

No there doesn't.
Daniel 9:24 declares "Seventy weeks are determined".
That's all seventy.
Not 69.5.
Your 70th is half decapitated, orphaned, and thus undetermined.
It contradicts the prophecy.
Discard it.

 

[covenantee]

Your definition of the destruction of Jerusalem excludes the destruction of the city and the sanctuary, while the Word of God says that the people of the prince that shall come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Read post 681 this time.

 

[ewq1938]

Is that all the 7th seal say?

Yes

There is silence in heaven for 30 minutes and nothing else happens? The ungodly are brought to their knees with Gods wrath of silence in heaven?

The vials are the time of God's wrath, not the seals.

The first six seals that John writes about are the very things that Jesus tell us about in Matthew 24. Jesus stops with the end of the age that occurs at the 6th seal.

Nothing occurs "at" the opening of the seals.

The seventh seal is the wrath of God and has nothing whatsoever to do with the first 6 seals.

No, the wrath of God is at the 7th trump which is when the vials of wrath are poured.

This is your misunderstanding. The seals are opened in order and first thing Jesus says is that there will be false ChristS. The first false Christ is the rider on the white horse, the beast of the earth and the seventh king.

The beast coming first is not the chronological order of events of the end times. The seals are not opened in chronological order.

 

[rvmb]

What do you think is the difference?

Check Acts 2:28; is that the Scripture that you meant?

""Check Acts 2:28; is that the Scripture that you meant?""
Acts 2:28.Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
**
Acts 2:38-45 was taught by Peter B4 Paul was commissioned by Christ & HS Acts 9:15, Acts 13:2
Pauls saving Gospel as taught by Christ to ONLY Paul >> Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.
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Acts 8:26-39 Eunuch was saved by the Gospel that Peter taught.
The saving Gospel of Paul was not known yet.
**
Remember that Pauls Gospel was UNKNOWN at the time of the Eunuch.
Do you see the differences between Paul & Peters Gospel ?
Peter >> Acts 2:38-45
Paul >> Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.
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Today the ONLY Gospel that saves is Pauls & applies to everyone everywhere >> Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15.
Peters Gospel is NOT valid in this current Church Age "The Body of Christ" which only Apostle & Minister Paul has the Christ given authority to teach Salvation to