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The full speech by JD Vance to Turning Point USA reveals his desire to categorically tear down any wall between church and state.. PROJECT 2025, where Christian nationalism is promoted as the future go to for America, apparently 80% or more completed.
If anyone here has any doubts as to whether a possible Sunday law and/or anti Sabbath laws is in the future as our church has been teaching for 160 years, with disasters, both natural and man made as the catalyst, just use your friendly in house AI to do a search for you as to who is advocating such a law and how many are supporting it.
While you are about it, ask Trump, Vance, and those Christian leaders that congregate in the presidents office, if they believe in the separation of church and state.
Them, go to Revelation 13 and ask yourselves, what nations are there that could fulfill the role of the second beat from the land and implement religious laws in favor of Rome, reinstating Rome to her former power only on a global scale?
Yes, I can see what's coming down the pike in this regard. It'll be those who poo hoo, who lampoon and who dismiss this possibility who will be taken in and subject to deception.....lining them up to fall for the sleight of hand to put all other sleight of hands in the dust.
The call, 'come out of Babylon my people' is heralded precisely because they are in Babylon.
 
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Did not the conservative right in America demand more say in the legislative halls of America to bring the nation back to God, and did not trump promise them such power to the cheers of thousands throughout his last election rallies?
You are switching between churches and "the conservative right" at will.

Also, this question sounds quite different from your OP question, correct? It seems you are only at the stage of looking for a confirmation of your ideas and asking me if I agree. While, in your OP, you were asking about enforcing the Christian doctrine like in the Middle Ages...
 

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Really does it matter.

If the number of visits to this forum is dropping, it can only mean that the members that are posting are not interesting enough for repeat visits to the forum by these readers.
 

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Don't worry...the US isn't going to pass a Sunday sabbath law. We have separation of church and state
Colossians 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
 

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Which laws has congress passed dictating religious belief or practice? Has President Trump signed any executive orders to that effect?

Much love!
None that are openly religious. Yet. However, Covid mandates wherein some considered their bodies temples of the holy Spirit, were violated by not only the government, but also by their employers, some of whom were religious employers who loaded their own absence of biblical scruples over those of their more conscientious employees.

In a Republic an official set of fundamental laws, like the constitution and bill of rights, prohibits the government from limiting our taking away certain "inalienable" (God endowed) rights of the people, even if that government was freely chosen by a majority of the people. That's the nature of a Republic.
In a democracy, the majority has almost unlimited power over the minority.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
America is a democratic Republic. It's laws and bill of rights were uniquely designed to protect minorities from the "tyranny of the majority". That is its genius.
The moment Amy institution, be it Christian, Catholic, occult, or avowed atheist, has undue influence over law and legislative processes, it will create a situation wherein a minority who do not hold to the ethics, principles, and dogma of the particular institution, will be alienated, victimised, penalised and persecuted for daring to live according to their own conscientious scruples rather than those of the institution.
Note that the majority of the current supreme court are Catholic. Would anyone her agree or argue in favour of Catholic philosophy to be introduced into American life and culture and legislatively imposed as opposed to evangelical, pentecostal, or whatever flavour hills the majority? Or would you prefer liberty of conscience for all, regardless of your own personal preference?
Don't worry...the US isn't going to pass a Sunday sabbath law. We have separation of church and state
 

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None that are openly religious. Yet. However, Covid mandates wherein some considered their bodies temples of the holy Spirit, were violated by not only the government, but also by their employers, some of whom were religious employers who loaded their own absence of biblical scruples over those of their more conscientious employees.

In a Republic an official set of fundamental laws, like the constitution and bill of rights, prohibits the government from limiting our taking away certain "inalienable" (God endowed) rights of the people, even if that government was freely chosen by a majority of the people. That's the nature of a Republic.
In a democracy, the majority has almost unlimited power over the minority.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
America is a democratic Republic. It's laws and bill of rights were uniquely designed to protect minorities from the "tyranny of the majority". That is its genius.
The moment Amy institution, be it Christian, Catholic, occult, or avowed atheist, has undue influence over law and legislative processes, it will create a situation wherein a minority who do not hold to the ethics, principles, and dogma of the particular institution, will be alienated, victimised, penalised and persecuted for daring to live according to their own conscientious scruples rather than those of the institution.
Note that the majority of the current supreme court are Catholic. Would anyone her agree or argue in favour of Catholic philosophy to be introduced into American life and culture and legislatively imposed as opposed to evangelical, pentecostal, or whatever flavour hills the majority? Or would you prefer liberty of conscience for all, regardless of your own personal preference?

The "heritage foundation" is hardly the US government.
 
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Did not the conservative right in America demand more say in the legislative halls of America to bring the nation back to God, and did not trump promise them such power to the cheers of thousands throughout his last election rallies?
What the Donald did do is to include politics and political leanings coming from the pulpit without fear of losing 501c3 tax exempt status.
Something I'm SURE will be counter mandated when or if a more liberal administration is voted into power!
 

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What the Donald did do is to include politics and political leanings coming from the pulpit without fear of losing 501c3 tax exempt status.
Something I'm SURE will be counter mandated when or if a more liberal administration is voted into power!
Sort of, but religions have always had freedom of speech (even from pulpit) under the 1st Amendment, as well as under all religious automatic exempt status, under 508C1A. The 501C3 status is a voluntary status, and can be revoked if certain regulations are not followed as approved by the u.S. gov. However, they cannot really revoke 508C1A (unless their is legal precedent to find that such person/s are not actually a religion, which is quite difficult to do, and again falls under the 1st Amendment, which means a Federal case, all the way to the Supreme court case).
 

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Sort of, but religions have always had freedom of speech (even from pulpit) under the 1st Amendment, as well as under all religious automatic exempt status, under 508C1A. The 501C3 status is a voluntary status, and can be revoked if certain regulations are not followed as approved by the u.S. gov. However, they cannot really revoke 508C1A (unless their is legal precedent to find that such person/s are not actually a religion, which is quite difficult to do, and again falls under the 1st Amendment, which means a Federal case, all the way to the Supreme court case).
I know a lot of church pastors would not delve too very far at all into "Politically Influential" messages from the pulpit for fear of losing exemption staus, and/or of being audited constantly because of it. And not just the feds either!
 

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I know a lot of church pastors would not delve too very far at all into "Politically Influential" messages from the pulpit for fear of losing exemption staus, and/or of being audited constantly because of it. And not just the feds either!
Well the pulpit is not really for political messages anyway, since it is for the Gospel. I do not know that Jesus spent too much time on Roman politics, but rather the Kingdom of Heaven.

Most of those pastors are unaware of their automatically guaranteed freedoms (1st Amendment, and 508C1A status), and are bogged down by their misunderstandings of 501C3 status.
 

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Well the pulpit is not really for political messages anyway, since it is for the Gospel. I do not know that Jesus spent too much time on Roman politics, but rather the Kingdom of Heaven.

Most of those pastors are unaware of their automatically guaranteed freedoms (1st Amendment, and 508C1A status), and are bogged down by their misunderstandings of 501C3 status.
Agreed! And wouldn't it be a wonderful and glorious "thing that could happen" should God put pastors into pulpits that could navigate us back to the time before the children of Israel demanded from Samuel and "Yah'-uh-'Vay" that they wanted a "king" to lead them?
Wishful thinking? Pipe Dream?

Kinda sad that people these days either "can't, won't, or don't" pay much heed to "A time for every purpose under Heaven", eh?
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What's the problem here? We're not a theocracy, but our government has never been purely secular either. Religion, specifically Christianity, has been intertwined with our nation from the beginning. Many U.S. presidents have called for national thanksgiving and prayer. Every president since 1952 signed a National Day of Prayer proclamations encouraging prayer for the nation. Would you prefer a purely secular government completely devoid of God? That sounds like Communism. In my observation, the more secular a government becomes, the more restrictive and authoritarian it gets.
 

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Agreed! And wouldn't it be a wonderful and glorious "thing that could happen" should God put pastors into pulpits that could navigate us back to the time before the children of Israel demanded from Samuel and "Yah'-uh-'Vay" that they wanted a "king" to lead them?
Wishful thinking? Pipe Dream?

Kinda sad that people these days either "can't, won't, or don't" pay much heed to "A time for every purpose under Heaven", eh?
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Well, since history repeats (Ecc. 1:9, 3;15 KJB, &c), they are going to say:

Joh_19:15 But they cried out, Away with him [Jesus Christ], away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.​
 

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The "heritage foundation" is hardly the US government.
Hardly? I agree. Yet I've read seen, or heard no criticism of their policies and ideas outside of the left leaning MSM. Certainly not on this forum. Is there anythingin the aforementioned/attached article you disagree with? Is they anything you would oppose if the government were to suggest implementing?
 

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... Believe it is a bad thing for the church to use the state to enforce Christian doctrine, like the Catholic Church did during the dark ages, and the church of England did after Henry VIII? (and several other examples as well such Calvin's Geneva.)
The separation clause and first amendment would both have to be rescinded. I don't think that's likely in our lifetime.
 

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What's the problem here? We're not a theocracy, but our government has never been purely secular either. Religion, specifically Christianity, has been intertwined with our nation from the beginning. Many U.S. presidents have called for national thanksgiving and prayer. Every president since 1952 signed a National Day of Prayer proclamations encouraging prayer for the nation. Would you prefer a purely secular government completely devoid of God? That sounds like Communism. In my observation, the more secular a government becomes, the more restrictive and authoritarian it gets.
If you had read my posts you would notice that I'm not opposed to Christian politicians, prayer, or the practice of Christianity in government. We would all be greatly better off if all politicians were more Christ like. That is not my objection. My objection is both prophetic and practical. Practical, in that history repeats. The world has ahau many times, suffered from over zealous Christians seeking to impose their faith on the world by law and compulsion. If you understand anything of history at all, you would know that nothing positive results from such.
Secondly, prophetic. Revelation 13 speaks of a nation that has Christlike beginnings and appearance, but speaks like Satan. How does Satan speak? How does Christ speak? How would that difference become manifest in a nation powerful enough to influence the entire planet? What would be the result? Think about these things on the context of scripture and history and tell me they're nothing to be concerned about. Concerned, not afraid.
 

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The separation clause and first amendment would both have to be rescinded. I don't think that's likely in our lifetime.
Maybe. But it's only paper. A sympathetic supreme court, multiple disasters throughout the land, lives being lost and the threat of death and war everywhere could change everything. Quickly. We are living in the last days. Kings, princes, presidents, and the laws they stand on will become like ropes of sand in the coming crisis. Nothing can be trusted, least of all a bill of rights that has already been ignored by governments everywhere in order to impose/ mandate vaccines for the sole purpose of self defense. Whether health or political, didn't matter.
COVID was a precursor to the mark of the beast, and proof that anything is possible.
 

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God has given us freewill, no government should force what they cannot give us "salvation" in John 7:17 it states "spoken during the Feast of Booths," that a heart willing to obey God is necessary to discern the divine truth of Jesus's message.
 
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Maybe. But it's only paper. A sympathetic supreme court, multiple disasters throughout the land, lives being lost and the threat of death and war everywhere could change everything. Quickly. We are living in the last days. Kings, princes, presidents, and the laws they stand on will become like ropes of sand in the coming crisis. Nothing can be trusted, least of all a bill of rights that has already been ignored by governments everywhere in order to impose/ mandate vaccines for the sole purpose of self defense. Whether health or political, didn't matter.
COVID was a precursor to the mark of the beast, and proof that anything is possible.
I think government imposing one religious practice right on Americans would be met with strong pushback. Especially given the number of Muslims in this country.