Saved, what is it & why the confusion as to how ?

[Ezra]

Let's expound on this a little:

In the early church being sealed meant being baptized.
When the NT states that a person is sealed...it means he was baptized.

DO YOU THINK THE EARLY CHURCH WAS %100 correct . water baptism has no power its symbolic in nature

Let's clarify like this:

We are saved the moment we come to believe.
We are sealed at baptism.

negatory ...i want scripture that says negatory ...i want scripture that says We are sealed at baptism.



We are saved the moment we come to believe. this is true sealing for the spirit


sealing referred to as the “deposit,” “seal,” and “earnest” in the hearts of Christians

2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.​

Ephesians 1:13​

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were

Ephesians 4:30​

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.




PLEASE note none of these scriptures says water baptism. for the life of me why does folks want to add water baptism into salvation

water baptism followers salvation and is a affirmation of our faith in Christ. when water baptism is made to be with salvation.. that is saying water baptism saves. then we are watering down redemption the blood of Christ that takes our sins away .. so show me your scripture sealed of the spirit at water baptism

 

[Ezra]

Not my job BB.

it is your job

 

[quietthinker]

Rom 10:1-3 - who is Paul referring to ?
6 verses later, who is Paul stating "confess by mouth" to ?
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Did you have a point, rvmb?

 

[quietthinker]

Does he still have orders to punish people for doing evil?

Evil punishes and will punish itself. Sin has in it the seeds of its own destruction.
God saves from sin and its consequences.

 

[rvmb]

Did you have a point, rvmb?

According to Rom Ch 10, who was "confess by mouth" applying to, ISRAEL or gentiles/heathen ?

 

[rvmb]

Yep and many frame it this way so they can continue living in sin claiming to still be saved.

And if you call them out for their sinful behavior they play the old tire excuse of "judge not" as though others are supposed to ignore what God's Word says and play like those living in sin are still saved when they are not.

""so they can continue living in sin""
Do you claim you no longer sin ?

 

[rvmb]

The "confusion" is rooted in profound laziness. You won the lottery but consider cashing the check "working" for it, which is beneath you. You are drowning at sea and when the Coast Guard throws a life preserver, consider reaching for it tantamount to saving yourself.

Although the terms are used interchangeably, belief and faith are separated by action. Anyone can say they believe anything. Action reveals the truth of their beliefs. Jesus did not suffer and die horribly on cross so we could sin with impunity! God's kingdom will NOT be breached by lip service. Scripture repeatedly makes this point. From CEV translation:
1 John 2:4-6

But if we claim to know him and don't obey him, we are lying and the truth isn't in our hearts. 5 We truly love God only when we obey him as we should, and then we know we belong to him. 6 If we say we are his, we must follow the example of Christ.​

1 John 3:10

10 You can tell God's children from the devil's children, because those who belong to the devil refuse to do right or to love each other.​

Luke 22:31-32​

Jesus said, “Simon, listen to me! Satan has demanded the right to test each one of you, as a farmer does when he separates wheat from the husks.[a] 32 But Simon, I have prayed that your faith will be strong. And when you have come back to me, help the others.” (The test is action in the face of adversity.)​

How more clear can it be? True faith is action, work. (This is not plural works, not saving yourself) True faith is not sitting pretty claiming to be saved, while doing nothing to advance God's Kingdom starting with how you carry yourself, your choices, what kind of witness you are to the truth.

You quote John yet as of Gal 2:7-9, John teaches his role is to the circumcision with Paul to the gentiles/heathen/UNcircumcision.
List the teachings from Paul that confirms your views.:)

 

[rvmb]

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
(Gospel of Luke 6:46)

Jesus spoke this to show that true faith is not only words. It is obedience. Calling Him “Lord” means nothing if we refuse to follow what He commands. Just after this, He gives the example of the wise man who builds on the rock, the one who hears His sayings and does them.

After Acts 9:15, where does the Bible teach that LIKE PAUL Luke has the Christ given authority to teach salvation to believers today :)

 

[rvmb]

your making a mountain out of this

Then turn it into an anthill.
In Rom ch 10, who is Paul telling to "confess by mouth" to, ISRAEL or the gentiles/heathen ?
*******
Rom 10:1-3 - who is Paul referring to ?
6 verses later, who is Paul stating "confess by mouth" to ?
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

 

[rvmb]

there is more than just paul teaching. my advice is live the life to the best you can. if you fall get back up simply ask for forgiveness we do have a advocate ... we can have our security in Christ.. but its not a excuse/license to do as we please . paul wrote this such as ye were

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God.


11 And such were some of you. But ye are washed, ye are sanctified, ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.


12 “All things are lawful unto me,” but all things are not expedient. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be brought under the power of any.

note verse 11 past tense if you refuse to repent refuse to come out of the pig pen odds are you was never saved.

""Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,""
1 Cor 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
List the verses where Paul teaches a believer can become UNwashed, UNsanctified, UNjustified.
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""there is more than just paul teaching.""
As of Acts 9:15, list the verses that teach the other Apostles LIKE PAUL Rom 11:13, Rom15:16 have the authority to teach salvation to believers today.

 

[Ezra]

Then turn it into an anthill.
In Rom ch 10, who is Paul telling to "confess by mouth" to, ISRAEL or the gentiles/heathen ?
*******
Rom 10:1-3 - who is Paul referring to ?
6 verses later, who is Paul stating "confess by mouth" to ?
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

are you a a Israelite if not your lost .... i really dont know where your coming from.. i do have a idea you and doug hold to the same teaching.

 

[quietthinker]

According to Rom Ch 10, who was "confess by mouth" applying to, ISRAEL or gentiles/heathen ?

I think it makes no difference

 

[rvmb]

are you a a Israelite if not your lost .... i really dont know where your coming from.. i do have a idea you and doug hold to the same teaching.

""are you a a Israelite if not your lost""
What verses FROM PAUL did you use to come to that conclusion ?
""i really dont know where your coming from.. ""
Acts 9:15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9, Gal 1:11-12, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16
""i do have a idea you and doug hold to the same teaching.""
Maybe on some points ?

 

[Wrangler]

List the teachings from Paul that confirms your views.:)

Where does this idea come from? What you write is not funny at all! Are God’s words contained only in Paul’s writings?

 

[Soyeong]

I""n Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry ...""
List the verses that teach Matthew has the same authority to teach salvation to believers today as Paul.
Let the verses do the talking

I'm here to discuss the Bible, we can read it on our own tIme. I cited the reference if you want to look it up.

 

[rvmb]

Where does this idea come from? What you write is not funny at all! Are God’s words contained only in Paul’s writings?

""Are God’s words contained only in Paul’s writings?""
Acts 9:15, Gal 1:12-13 teaches you what ?

 

[rvmb]

I'm here to discuss the Bible, we can read it on our own tIme. I cited the reference if you want to look it up.

No verses, no surprise.
If Matthew has the authority over Paul to teach Salvation to believers today then you could easily supply the verses.

 

[Wrangler]

""Are God’s words contained only in Paul’s writings?""
Acts 9:15, Gal 1:12-13 teaches you what ?

You can’t answer a question with a question.

 

[rvmb]

You can’t answer a question with a question.

Those verses teach that only Paul has the Christ given authority to teach how a believer today is saved.
You not liking it is your problem

 

[Wrangler]

Those verses teach that only Paul has the Christ given authority to teach how a believer today is saved.
You not liking it is your problem

I’ll just go ahead and put you on my ignore list.