Thanks for taking the time to respond, my comment was not very in dept and I am glad you noticed.
Your ask me specifically concerning the Trinity..... we see that the scripture never describes the Son as eternal the Eternal Son but but rather -- the Son himself has been given Eternal life and Eternal Life is in the Son
eternal life is in his Son.
Believing on the Son and in his name and accepting his sacrifice on calvary as atonement for our sin - this is the true God, and eternal life.
1Jn 5:11 and verse :13 and verse :20 - says that we have Eternal Life that is in the Son by believing in his name, but
the name of the Son is not eternal
with this faith in his name we have salvation, however, the scripture says that the Son will be given a new name
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
so this aspect of the Son will be changed - would effect the Trinity for some Christians who may understand the Trinity in in a specific way ?
we know with the son, there are spiritual aspects of the Son, as the word or as the LOGOS " that are eternal, as the LOGOS that was with God,
this LOGOS, was God, and this LOGOS was made flesh
is the Son described as being "The Eternal Son " ? ?
or is the Son, Jesus, described the word / " LOGOS , - as eternal purpose - as eternal glory - as eternal spirit - as eternal purpose and as eternal power ?
we see in - 1Jn 5:7 - :7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
where is the Son ?
so when the son says that he is in heaven and also here on earth too { at the same time } and that he descended - OUT OF HEAVEN - - down from heaven - here in - Joh 3:13
:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but
he that came down from heaven, even the
Son of man
which is in heaven.
he would not be explaining how that he existed as
the word, as the very same eternal God himself, before he was born on earth as the son ?
we notice
– in
John 8:42 – Jesus says three things here, about his identity.
i COME - “ εκ EX /
OUT “
FROM THE GOD –
i COME
NOT FOR FROM /
OF - MYSELF –
i COME
NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT –
1. we have the
Son's name that will be
changed to a
new name in the future. - - does this effect the trinity for some ?
2. a Son whom was
not previously sitting in the right of God - - does this effect the trinity for some ?
3 a Son whom is
relocated and commanded to sit in the right of God for such and such a time. - - does this effect the trinity for some ?
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered
one sacrifice for sins for ever, ,,,,,
sat down on the right hand of God;
:13 FROM HENCEFORTH EXPECTING
UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL.
So this is NOT Jesus forever sitting on the right hand of God. He is commanded to sit there until such and such a time.....
is this changing the trinity for a certain percentage of Christians ?
Mar 12:36 Sit ON my right hand,
UNTIL I make thy enemies thy footstool.
Luk 20:42 Sit thou ON my right hand, -
UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Act 2:34 Sit thou ON my right hand,
UNTIL I make thy foes thy footstool.
Heb 1:13 Sit ON my right hand,
UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool?
4, we have a son whom here in - Heb 10:12 - is forever sat down on the right hand of God.
- a son whom was
not ON the right hand of God before Jesus is being commanded to be
re- positioned,
re - located,
moved from one position of status and rank of authority progressing and changing
his seating order.
5. we have the Son whom had not yet obtained the salvation before he was born as the son - does this effect the trinity for some ?
6. the Son whom had not yet previously fulfilled God's eternal
purpose, glory,
spiritual plan and
eternal purpose and eternal
power ?
- does this change of the eternal son in the trinity have an effect upon the trinity for some ?
7, we have a son whom here in - Heb 1:13 Sitting ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool?
8. a son who is sitting on the right hand of God for some Christians who favor him there and for others who favor him somewhere else
the Son can be changed and altered and repurposed and elevated and descended, in a many, many ways
8. we have a son whom had glory with the father before the world was created and looses this glory and asked to receive this again
John 17:5 - So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you
before the world was
If the Son - who existed before the world was created, had with glory of the father, he then, LOST ALL THIS GLORY AND WAS STRIPPED OF ALL this glory immediately, just after the EARTH was created -
' only to regain the glory again with a
progression and
development --- the Son is moving, changing, progressing
back and
forth /
up and
down - moving through
stages of power and glory -
loosing and regaining his glory -
the son - LOST ALL OF THIS GLORY - IMMEDIATELY after the world was created, and then came to be born on earth -
THEN HE RESURRECTS AND ASCENDS TO HEAVEN TO AGAIN RECEIVE AGAIN THE SAME GLORY THAT HE HAD LOST, FOR APROX
4000 YEARS, SINCE BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE EARTH.
in conclusion, what I believe is that - regarding the Son, any change that may be ongoing for different forms of trinitarians and regardless of what the Trinity may be or what the Trinity may not be for different brothers and sisters in Christ
the word was with God and was God, and this word was made flesh
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, as eternal purpose of God, his eternal glory, eternal spirit, eternal anointing and eternal power, the word abideth forever
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
:24 For all flesh is as grass....................... But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. ........
