Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

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Seems so.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 NIV
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32, 36
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

John 1:29 NIV
... The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
“Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

1 Timothy 4:10 NIV
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14 NIV
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

Great references. Especially,those who believe.

Now,how do we reconcile those passages with just Matthew 13?
Jesus taught in parables so not all would be given to understand and come to repentance.

Which coincides with the OT prophecy in Isaiah 6.

 

[St. SteVen]

Great references. Especially,those who believe.

Now,how do we reconcile those passages with just Matthew 13?
Jesus taught in parables so not all would be given to understand and come to repentance.

Which coincides with the OT prophecy in Isaiah 6.

Good question.
There are the Elect, and then there is everyone else.
Each in turn. (1 Corinthians 15:22-23)

 

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Good question.
There are the Elect, and then there is everyone else.
Each in turn. (1 Corinthians 15:22-23)

Not surprisingly,you'll find there are people who object to the idea of there being an Elect.

A bit silly and like those who insist Christians are lawless. God's law in any form is void.And Saved.

 

[St. SteVen]

Not surprisingly,you'll find there are people who object to the idea of there being an Elect.

A bit silly and like those who insist Christians are lawless. God's law in any form is void.And Saved.

Yes, the Elect is certainly biblical.

What I do object to is the idea that the Elect were predestined (chosen) by God to be saved
and everyone else was predestined by God to destruction.

• Titus 1:1
  Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect
  and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness—
  
  
• 1 Peter 1:1
  Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the
  provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,

 

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Yes, the Elect is certainly biblical.

What I do object to is the idea that the Elect were predestined (chosen) by God to be saved
and everyone else was predestined by God to destruction.

• Titus 1:1
  Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect
  and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness—
  
  
• 1 Peter 1:1
  Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the
  provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,

I think it may be argued that predestination unto Salvation is biblical.

Jesus answered his Disciples who asked,why do you always teach in parables.
He told them. To some,it isn't given to understand,his teachings,the parables. That they would not understand and therein be unable to come to repentance.

In the OT we are told God created those vessels,people,made for destruction.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.

 

[ProDeo]

Hell is the invention of man.

Hell is the invention of the Catholic church.

And that is why their influence allowed Hell to be "taught" by Jesus. Their scribes wrote it down.

Then,the church burned heretics alive so watchers would get the message.

Jer 8:8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

We know we don't have the original manuscripts, only copies of copies by scribes. We know scribes have added to the Scriptures.

Are you saying scribes have introduced hell into the NT?

For example - Matt 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Did Jesus spoke these words or not ?

 

[St. SteVen]

I think it may be argued that predestination unto Salvation is biblical.

Agree.
I only object when the preordained for this life are seen as the ONLY ones saved in the end.

The destruction is of sin, not the sinner.

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

 

[Rockerduck]

Universalism is in our main churches today, even conservative churches. The minute I hear one say, I can't believe God would send anyone to hell. I know the next statement is God is Love.

 

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Universalism is in our main churches today, even conservative churches. The minute I hear one say, I can't believe God would send anyone to hell. I know the next statement is God is Love.

How do you understand that God asks for nothing, but we ask for something?

 

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How do you understand that God asks for nothing, but we ask for something?

God knows what you need before you ask it. Matthew 6:8

 

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God knows what you need before you ask it. Matthew 6:8

Then when people ask Universalism and people ask someone go to hell.
Guess what?

 

[Rockerduck]

Then when people ask Universalism and people ask someone go to hell.
Guess what?

Accept Jesus or Perish. John 3:16 and Luke 13:1

 

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Accept Jesus or Perish. John 3:16 and Luke 13:1

So who do you think is preventing people from being saved?Jesus or Perish.

 

[Rockerduck]

So who do you think is preventing people from being saved?

2 Corinthians 4:4 - The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

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2 Corinthians 4:4 - The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

4:18
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Rockerduck]

4:18
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

That verse is looking at eternal life for the believer in Christ, living in an imperfect word. Looking through a glass darkly. KJV -1 Corinthians 13:12

 

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That verse is looking at eternal life for the believer in Christ, living in an imperfect word. Looking through a glass darkly. KJV -1 Corinthians 13:12

Are you 100% successful in preaching the gospel? For instance, if your very good friend doesn't believe, then what do you think the meaning of salvation is?

We often put our own feelings first. Of course, there are also feelings contrary to the above examples. Someone must go to hell, he shouldn't be saved, or this is the standard, with no other reasons.

So, what exactly is the meaning of salvation?

 

[rockytopva]

The last words of Peter support Paul's tough stand...

15 Account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. - 2 Peter 3

 

[Rockerduck]

Are you 100% successful in preaching the gospel? For instance, if your very good friend doesn't believe, then what do you think the meaning of salvation is?

We often put our own feelings first. Of course, there are also feelings contrary to the above examples. Someone must go to hell, he shouldn't be saved, or this is the standard, with no other reasons.

So, what exactly is the meaning of salvation?

The preaching of the Cross is foolishness to those who perish. KJV 1 Corinthians 1:18

 

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The preaching of the Cross is foolishness to those who perish. KJV 1 Corinthians 1:18

Will the world be perish by The preaching of the Cross is foolishness to those?
Are you sure the perish here means what was you thinking?

And I was asking about what exactly is the meaning of salvation?

You answered perish.