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Spiritual Israelite

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Ah, I see. So now the KJV is not necessarily a bad translation... except for that one verse,
And some other verses. Just like all translations. Maybe you weren't aware, but the Bible wasn't originally written in English.

the only one that inconveniently refuses to back up your doctrine. Brilliant observation. Got it.
Not what I said, genius. I believe there are some other verses in the KJV that are not translated as well as in other translations, also.

And as for the rest of your post — claiming that God never created evil, despite what Scripture clearly says? Pure nonsense. You’re the one making yourself look foolish.
You make yourself look foolish with every post you make. Scripture says that everything God created was very good. Perhaps the following verse isn't in your Bible. This is from the KJV translation, so we don't need to waste time arguing about translations with this verse.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Maybe you don't understand what everything means or what very good means? I can't help you with that. Evil is not very good. Another thing that you apparently don't understand. As I showed rwb, the opposite of darkness is light. The opposite of peace is not evil. You'd have to be foolish to think that. No, the opposite of good is evil. The opposite of peace is calamity or disaster and that's why many translations translate the verse that way instead of how the KJV translates it. Understand, buddy?
 
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We have to remember he has a bias to maintain! Even if this bias makes him look foolish, he refuses to let it go!
You and TS are now in the lead in the contest to see who promotes the most foolishness on this entire forum and that's saying a lot considering how much foolishness comes from the pretribs who post here. So, congratulations on that. Another thing that's foolish is you just blindly following after all the nonsense that TS puts out there. You should know better.
 

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Hello TS, thanks for responding. We're doing well, back in Az now. Had to go home for short time, family crisis. Our daughter contracted mrsa virus that severely infected her leg, to save her life the leg had to be amputated. But now she and we are doing ok.
I know we are not liking each other very much right now, but just remember that our disagreements are over Bible doctrine, not over anything personal. I'm sure you understand that. We are both passionate about the Word of God so we naturally take offense when we believe anyone is not interpreting the Word of God as they should be. Obviously, we should try to tone that down, but, regardless, just know that it's not personal. I'm not going to pretend that we know each other personally. We obviously do not.

Anyway, please accept my condolences for your daughter's situation. I know that has to be traumatic for her and for you and your wife. Glad to see that you're now doing okay, and I'll pray that she continues to be able to adjust to her new situation and that you and your wife continue to be able to help her through it.
 
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I know we are not liking each other very much right now, but just remember that our disagreements are over Bible doctrine, not over anything personal. I'm sure you understand that. We are both passionate about the Word of God so we naturally take offense when we believe anyone is not interpreting the Word of God as they should be. Obviously, we should try to tone that down, but, regardless, just know that it's not personal. I'm not going to pretend that we know each other personally. We obviously do not.

Anyway, please accept my condolences for your daughter's situation. I know that has to be traumatic for her and for you and your wife. Glad to see that you're now doing okay, and I'll pray that she continues to be able to adjust to her new situation and that you and your wife continue to be able to help her through it.

Thank you for the kind words regarding our daughter.
 

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You and TS are now in the lead in the contest to see who promotes the most foolishness on this entire forum and that's saying a lot considering how much foolishness comes from the pretribs who post here. So, congratulations on that. Another thing that's foolish is you just blindly following after all the nonsense that TS puts out there. You should know better.

This is not the manner in which one disagrees on doctrine. You've just made it personal! Because I don't blindly follow anyone! If in your opinion TS puts out nonsense you should be able to disprove what he says with the Word of God and not by attacking the character of another Christian! It is you who should know better!
 
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All through Scripture we see God's word describing the sons or children of God as believers. By contrast there is not one single instance where we read of God's word describing or informing us that feathered angels were these sons of God. NO WHERE. It is becasue they are being brainwashed started with Sunday School doctrine. That is the difference between allowing the Scriptures to interpret themselves, and privately interpreting Scripture by fables or by what we think it might mean.
The description "sons of God " as used in the Old Testament is our concern .

Do you agree "sons of God " are used to describe angels in the Book of Job ?


Job 1:6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 

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You don't explicitly say, but it sounds like you believe "sons of God" in these verses are spirits called angels? If that is what you believe can you make a biblical case for why you believe that since throughout the Bible we find 'son' or 'children' of God is reference to faithful saints (believers)?
 

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And some other verses. Just like all translations. Maybe you weren't aware, but the Bible wasn't originally written in English.

And?

Not what I said, genius. I believe there are some other verses in the KJV that are not translated as well as in other translations, also.

And?


You make yourself look foolish with every post you make. Scripture says that everything God created was very good. Perhaps the following verse isn't in your Bible. This is from the KJV translation, so we don't need to waste time arguing about translations with this verse.

You started it. You need to end it.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Everything within the six days of creation…ok…your point is?


Maybe you don't understand what everything means or what very good means? I can't help you with that.

Ok what “everything” did Good refers to that were good. Name it.

Evil is not very good.

Good job.

Another thing that you apparently don't understand. As I showed rwb, the opposite of darkness is light. The opposite of peace is not evil.

I think you need to read my posts more carefully.

. No, the opposite of good is evil. The opposite of peace is calamity or disaster and that's why many translations translate the verse that way instead of how the KJV translates it.

Take a deep breath and re-read my posts. All of these within 24 hours within this thread.
 
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And?



And?




You started it. You need to end it.



Everything within the six days of creation…ok…your point is?




Ok what “everything” did Good refers to that were good. Name it.



Good job.



I think you need to read my post more carefully.



Take a deep breath and re-read my post. All of it on this thread.
Unsurprisingly, a completely lame response from you. If you have to ask what my point is despite the fact that I make my points clear, then it just shows what a waste of time this is. God didn't create evil because everything He created was very good. Is that hard to understand the point I'm making there? You and rwb say otherwise. You just go ahead and continue thinking that the spirit being Satan and spirit beings called angels and demons (or devils) don't exist if you insist. It's obviously impossible to get through to you and you will believe whatever nonsense you want to believe no matter what anyone says.
 

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This is not the manner in which one disagrees on doctrine. You've just made it personal! Because I don't blindly follow anyone!
I believe that you do. If you want to take that personally, then you're not taking it in the way I'm intending and I can't help that. I have witnessed firsthand you changing your mind about things after reading his posts. Not long ago, you agreed with me that there are spirit beings who are separate from human beings called angels and also demons/devils and that Satan is one of them. You no longer seem to believe that and instead agree with TS that Satan is not a created spirit being. Do you also agree with him that there are no spirit beings called angels or demons/devils who are separate beings from human beings?

If in your opinion TS puts out nonsense you should be able to disprove what he says with the Word of God
I have done so many times. I honestly don't care if you agree that I have or not. I know that I have.

and not by attacking the character of another Christian! It is you who should know better!
How am I attacking your character by making the observation that you are believing everything that TS is putting out there?
 

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This is not the manner in which one disagrees on doctrine. You've just made it personal! Because I don't blindly follow anyone! If in your opinion TS puts out nonsense you should be able to disprove what he says with the Word of God and not by attacking the character of another Christian! It is you who should know better!
It's rather hypocritical that @TribulationSigns loves this post, knowing how incredibly rude the guy has been on many occasions in the past on this board and another board towards other posters.
 
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I believe that you do. If you want to take that personally, then you're not taking it in the way I'm intending and I can't help that. I have witnessed firsthand you changing your mind about things after reading his posts. Not long ago, you agreed with me that there are spirit beings who are separate from human beings called angels and also demons/devils and that Satan is one of them. You no longer seem to believe that and instead agree with TS that Satan is not a created spirit being. Do you also agree with him that there are no spirit beings called angels or demons/devils who are separate beings from human beings?

It's becoming clear that you read replies from both TS and myself very selectively! Because neither one of us have argued against the belief of angels and Satan. The way you make it appear that we have is by taking bits of our replies out of context without considering the whole. Apparently, this is what you've done by arguing that I've changed my mind about things I agreed with you of after reading the replies from TS. I have agreed with him when he has proven to have greater understanding than you or I do/did have. I can be convinced through the Word of God, which TS always makes his arguments from. I am not so dogmatic in what I believe that I cannot be convinced of error when confronted through the Bible. You often don't argue against particular points of view from the Word of God, but from a biased personal point of view.
 
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It's rather hypocritical that @TribulationSigns loves this post, knowing how incredibly rude the guy has been on many occasions in the past on this board and another board towards other posters.

This is really rich! I've said before how evil begats evil, and we are ALL guilty of this trait. To argue TS is incredibly rude demonstrates that you have no trouble finding fault in others but seem unable to see any fault in yourself. While you're pointing your finger at how TS appears rude on many occasions toward not only you but other posters, you would do well to examine your own heart and go back and read the many times you have been one of the most uncharitable posters in these forums. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!
 

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The description "sons of God " as used in the Old Testament is our concern .

Do you agree "sons of God " are used to describe angels in the Book of Job ?

No.


Job 1:6
  • ""Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."
Job 2:1
  • "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."

By the way, if anyone's Bible translates these words (sons of God) as "angels", that is a SERIOUS ERROR! The words "sons of God" in these verses are the exact same Hebrew words found throughout Scripture for sons and God. It is the same words found in Genesis chapter 6. The words are [ben 'elohiym] or as some write it [bane el-o-heem] which is literally offspring or children/Sons of God. The exact same words in all the verses. There is no word angel or messenger there in the original Hebrew. Any Bible that translates these words as angel is making a "unjustifiable commentary" and that's not really a translation or transliteration of the Hebrew. And believe me, there is a difference. Commentaries can be helpful, but when they find themselves on the pages of scripture masquerading "as Scripture," SERIOUS ERROR! It is an unrighteous act for anyone to translate [ben 'elohiym] as "angels" or "Celestical Beings" when God inspired the words meaning "Children of God."

As for the actual verse, some people have legitimately been confused by the language that these sons of God "came to present [yatsab] (meaning, to station or position) themselves before the Lord." Some think that this must mean that they were in "literal" heaven. That is NOT the case, at all! We have to keep in mind the times that we are reading about. The time of Job was the early years of the world. The language of "presenting themselves before God", is common in Biblical History, and doesn't denote literally appearing in physical Heaven before Him. It is simply common language of the day denoting coming to a place designated for the presence of God, in order to inquire of Him. Today, we'd go to a church to do this. That would be our coming to present ourselves and inquire of God. In Job's days, they would have their own designated Holy place. We see this clearly for example in Deuteronomy chapter 31:

Deuteronomy 31:14-15
  • "...call Joshua, and Present Yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and Presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.
  • and the Lord appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of a cloud:...."
God told Moses to present [yatsab] (same word) himself and Joshua before Him in the tabernacle, and "God" appeared there and spoke to them. Please note, they did not appear in Heaven, but in a place of earth. Selah! Comparing Scripture with Scripture we see this language of presenting oneself before the Lord doesn't denote an appearance in the third heaven. Here they presented themselves before God, but it was in the physical tabernacle on earth. It's the exact same thing as the sons of God presenting themselves in Job. In these early days, God spoke to His servants the Prophets in a special way. And often times that meant an appearance or His presence in a special way. But don't take my word for it, just compare scripture with scripture.

1st Samuel 10:19
  • "...Now therefore Present Yourselves before the Lord by your tribes, and by your thousands."
Present (same Hebrew word) themselves before the Lord and there they would inquire of God. That didn't mean that the tribes of Israel went into Heaven to present themselves before the Lord. This is the language God uses to describe the official, recognized gathering together into the place of the presence of God. Another verse is, Numbers 11:16 where the Lord tells Moses to gather 70 into the tabernacle to STAND (same Hebrew word PRESENT) themselves with Moses, and "GOD" would come down and talk with Him there. You see, this was simply the language used in the old days when the believers or sons/children of God would come to pray, worship and inquire of the Lord. They would present themselves before the Lord for instruction. There is no different in saying, "the sons of God came to present themselves before the lord," and in saying "the believers came to present themselves before the Lord." It's human beings in view here, NOT angels, and it's the designated place of worship on earth, not in physical heaven. Job and all believers built their altars at their homes, and family and friends are gather and present themselves before the Lord just as we are doing in the Church, home church, and bible studies anywhere, today.

Next literally we read in Job 1:6 says "..and there doth come Satan in their midst." So the sons of God came to present themselves before God, and Satan (the adversary) came in the midst of the congregation with them. As indeed Satan normally does among God's people today! Not at all unlike the 12 Disciples with Christ in Jerusalem, and Satan coming in the midst of them within Judas. There we have an example of Judas as the adversary coming in the midst of the sons of God at the Sop with our Lord, and Christ telling him, "That thou doest, do quickly." Once again we see that Satan makes his appearance on earth through men.

Yes, it's an event that took place, but not in heaven, not with angels, not with a supernatural being called Satan, but in the early assembly of God's children, where the adversary came among them to bring railing accusation, and God responding with a teaching lesson for all of us that would last in His word until Christ returns. The adversary meant it for evil, but God used it for good, Selah!

Moreover, this also proves to any Bible believing, rationally thinking person that if this were very literally Satan in heaven at the time of Job, then undeniably he couldn't have been the fallen angelic being in the Garden of Eden that was allegedly cursed because that would necessarily mean that after that cursing and being cast out of heaven, God allowed him back into heaven as a evil angel, huh?! Yet again "proving" the total and clear bankruptcy of this doctrine that this was the same being Satan that was in the Garden. How is Satan cursed in the Garden, and then years later at the time of Job, walking back up into heaven with God and other supposed angels. It MAKE NO SENSE!. Because it's not true! It's a purely a church tradition of fallen angels that has been passed down through the years and that many Christians cannot seem to let go of. Even when they knew it's contradictory, convoluted and inconsistent.

God talking to Satan is no different from God asking Adam and Eve where they were, when of course He knew perfectly well where they were. Or Him telling the Serpent in the garden that he had been cursed. It's all for our learning. Not a actual discussion for Satan, but for us. In this conversation we understand the mind of wicked man who inserts himself into God's assembly and reviles and speaks evil against God's faithful. There is nothing new under the sun. What does God do? God allows adversity upon Job, knowing the end from the beginning, for our benefit and edification.
 

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And also I like to add something for your understanding, Lord willing.

There is popular belief that Satan was created by God and used to live in Heaven. After his fall, Satan still had access into heaven among the "angels" and present himself before God.

However, this is a very widely held misconception by much of the church, mainly based on a misunderstanding of Old Testament Scriptures (like this one) and of Revelation chapter 12 referring to cast out angels. I do not believe that Satan was in Holy heaven with God, was commuting from heaven to earth, nor that he ever had came back into God's third heaven.

Nothing that offends is in the heaven where God dwells, the heaven in view here is the Kingdom of heaven on earth, the congregation of Israel where God's people dwell. There is no sin in heaven, no hypocrisy, no Liar, no evil in heaven, only praise, glory and worship.

The context of Scriptures is also very important, and the context of this passage is the gathering together of God's people for feasts, communion and offerings unto the Lord for sin.

Job 1:4-5
  • "And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
  • And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually."
The context is God's people on earth, their days of feasting and Job's faithful sacrifice and offering for sin. And on one of these days, Satan was allowed to come in among them so that Job could be tried, a portrait for all of us.

Job 1:6
  • "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."
The sons of God in Scripture refer to believers (Genesis 6:1; John 1:12; Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:1) who are spiritual children/sons of the Father. NOT Angels as is often assumed. And most certainly not "fallen Angels
As do I. However, this is a very widely held misconception by much of the church, mainly based on a misunderstanding of Old Testament Scriptures (like this one) and of Revelation chapter 12 referring to cast out angels. I do not believe that Satan was in Holy heaven with God, was commuting from heaven to earth, nor that he ever had come into God's third heaven. Nothing that offends is in the heaven where God dwells, the heaven in view here is the Kingdom of heaven on earth, where God's people dwell. There is no sin in heaven, no hypocrisy, no Liar, no evil in heaven, only praise, glory and worship.

The context of Scriptures is also very important, and the context of this passage is the gathering together of God's people for feasts, communion and offerings unto the Lord for sin.

Job 1:4-5
  • "And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
  • And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually."
The context is God's people on earth, their days of feasting and Job's faithful sacrifice and offering for sin. And on one of these days, Satan was allowed to come in among them so that Job could be tried, a portrait for all of us.

Job 1:6
  • "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."
The sons of God in Scripture refer to believers (Genesis 6:1; John 1:12; Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:1) who are spiritual children/sons of the Father. not Angels as is often assumed. And most certainly not "fallen Angels."

Deu 14:1
  • Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
The word translated children is the exact same word translated sons, illustrating God's people are the spiritual sons of God.

Thus by allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture we see these sons of God refers to believers, God's spiritual children on earth, and it is they who come to present themselves before the Lord. Actually the language of "present themselves before the LORD" is also confirming the illustration of their coming for the purpose of sacrifice, offering and forgiveness of sin of the Lord's congregation. It "is" the representation of the Lord's Heaven ON EARTH! It is not an illustration of supernatural Angels or of Satan as a Angel presenting themselves in holy heaven in the presence of God. God says Satan was a Liar from the beginning, and no liar can enter God's Holy Heaven. Period! Moses couldn't even stand before the glory of Holy God on the mountaintop, much less the epitome of evil and the father of lies come to stand where God dwells in all His glory. Allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture we see that the language of "presenting oneself" before God, or [yatsab], is the language of the congregation making obeisance, supplication, oblation and contrition. It doesn't refer to literally standing in Heaven physically facing God. e.g.:

Leviticus 14:11
  • And the priest that maketh him clean shall present the man that is to be made clean, and those things, before the LORD, at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:"

1st Samuel 10:19

  • And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands."
Deuteronomy 31:14
  • And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.
Jeremiah 36:7
  • It may be they will present their supplication before the LORD, and will return every one from his evil way: for great is the anger and the fury that the LORD hath pronounced against this people."
That is HOW the congregation in the Old Testament presented themselves before the Lord, on earth, and it is not in a literal/physical heaven before God. Just like we do in our churches. In God's economy, heaven is often signifying the Lord's congregation "because" it is the Kingdom of heaven representing ON EARTH. For Example, as we read of Christ the Kingdom of heaven suffered violence until John. It wasn't referring to literal heaven! Or when Michael and His angels fought in heaven, again, not literally angels fighting in God's holy heaven. Likewise, when it says Satan came among them, he is among the congregation. This often happens as you can just look at some of the people in God's congregation and the things that they are teaching? It's not hard to understand that Satan comes in as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Didn't the sons of God build a golden calf to worship after being delivered from Egypt? Was that not Satan among them? Because it is their spirit of disobedience that works within man (Luke 22:3), and he comes among God's people and does his bidding in the body of man (John 13:27). This is mysterious or secretive only in the fact that so many professing believers cannot comprehend this most basic and fundamental truth. He comes preaching love, he comes preaching eccumemism, he comes preaching politics, he comes genealogy, He comes preaching lawlessness under the guyise of grace and peace. The list is endless. Satan is revealed in the man of sin, or more to our vernacular, "the sinful man!" in the spirit of his father, the Devil, he always comes in among the sons of God to try and bring them down, but it is really a trial of faith. Like Job, we should fear none of these things that we may suffer, be it tribulation, persecution or hate. If we are faithful unto death, we shall receive a crown of life better than anything this sinful world has to offer.
 

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The sons of God in Scripture refer to believers (Genesis 6:1; John 1:12; Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:1) who are spiritual children/sons of the Father. NOT Angels as is often assumed. And most certainly not "fallen Angels
Q: Who is being referred to as "the sons of God"?

A: The term translated "the Sons of God" is, in the Hebrew, B'nai HaElohim, "Sons of Elohim," which is a term consistently used in the Old Testament for angels, and it is never used of believers in the Old Testament (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7) (where they are in existence before the creation of the earth). Jesus also implies the same term in Luke 20:36.

The Biblical term "Sons of Elohim" (that is, of the Creator Himself), is confined to the direct creation by the divine hand and not to those born to those of their own order. (The sons of Elohim are even contrasted with the sons of Adam in Psalm 82:1, 6 and warned that if they go on with the evil identified in verse 2, they would die like Adam (man). When our Lord quoted this verse (John 10:34), He made no mention of what order of beings God addressed in this Psalm but that the Word of God was inviolate whether the beings in question were angels or men.) In Luke's genealogy of Jesus, only Adam is called a "son of God." (Luke 3:38). The entire Biblical drama deals with the tragedy that humankind is a fallen race, with Adam's initial immortality forfeited. Christ uniquely gives them that receive Him the power to become the sons of God. (John 1:11-12). Being born again of the Spirit of God, as an entirely new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), at their resurrection they alone will be clothed with a building of God (2 Cor. 5:1-4) and in every respect equal to the angels. (Luke 20:36). The very term oiketerion, alluding to the heavenly body with which the believer longs to be clothed, is the precise term used for the heavenly bodies from which the fallen angels had disrobed. (This term appears only twice in the Bible: 2 Corinthians 5:2 and Jude 1:6.)

The attempt to apply the term "Sons of Elohim" in a broader sense has no textual basis and obscures the precision of its denotative usage. This proves to be an assumption which is antagonistic to the uniform Biblical usage of the term.
 
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Q: Who is being referred to as "the sons of God"?

A: The term translated "the Sons of God" is, in the Hebrew, B'nai HaElohim, "Sons of Elohim," which is a term consistently used in the Old Testament for angels, and it is never used of believers in the Old Testament (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7) (where they are in existence before the creation of the earth). Jesus also implies the same term in Luke 20:36.

I’ve heard all of this before. It’s the typical standard church tradition built on speculative assumptions — particularly the theory that angels were created before the foundation of the earth and a misunderstanding of what “heaven” actually refers to in Scripture.

Those conclusions are not derived from the plain reading of the text but from inherited theological systems that many simply accept without reexamining.

I have already laid out my position clearly in previous posts, showing why those assumptions do not hold up under careful biblical comparison. I’m not going to repeat arguments that have already been addressed and refuted.

Take care.
 
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I’ve heard all of this before. It’s the typical standard church tradition built on speculative assumptions — particularly the theory that angels were created before the foundation of the earth and a misunderstanding of what “heaven” actually refers to in Scripture.
IOW, 'don't question my opinion.'

Those conclusions are not derived from the plain reading of the text but from inherited theological systems that many simply accept without reexamining.
You bring no scripture to your opinion.

I have already laid out my position clearly in previous posts, showing why those assumptions do not hold up under careful biblical comparison. I’m not going to repeat arguments that have already been addressed and refuted.
"If you can't stand the heat..."

Take care.
Rather, seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
 
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IOW, 'don't question my opinion.'

That’s a creative spin — but it only works if you ignore what I actually wrote.

If you had taken the time to read my posts carefully, as you see below, you’d see that I laid out my reasoning clearly and addressed the issue directly. Disagreeing with you isn’t the same as saying “don’t question me.” It means I’ve already explained my position and supported it.

You bring no scripture to your opinion.

Have you really read my post here and here? I included plenty of Scripture. Are you really going to deny that?

"If you can't stand the heat..."

Heat? Hardly. Your false doctrine wouldn’t even warm a teacup.

Rather, seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Oh wow, groundbreaking… Been following that for 45 years. Anything else you’ve got that’s new?