PAUL IS AN APOSTLE, BUT TO WHO?

[Fred J]

I hope you arent saying they preached in Gentile nations before Paul's conversion

Mark 16:
And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature.

The Gospel of the 12 Apostles taught by Jesus Christ is 'saying', and way before Paul and his conversion.

But you seem to be turning a blind eye to it in purpose, just to copy and paste your 'heresy'.

 

[Fred J]

First of all, apparently you are saying they went to Gentile nations before Paul, There is no scripture or historical evidence for saying they went to the nations, just church tradition.

Go and do a study what happened to the 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ.

As far as the rest you said here you are distorting what I say. You are making a strawman argument based on your manufactured premise
of what I am teaching implies

Talk about yourself i agree!

 

[Fred J]

The verse said they plural, plus none of them can be verified as going to the nations

Apparently Jesus commissioned the 12 disciples He discipled, including Matthias who replaced Judas.

 

[Fred J]

Paul preched the cross Peter the name

And you 'heresy', i get it.

 

[Fred J]

Paul's gospel was the only one they were to believe. Peter was still preaching his gospel at the time Galatians 1:6 was written. Apparently, some were teaching Peter's gospel, which was only being preached to the Jews. Peter's gospel would be another gospel because it said noting of the cross but was a valid gospel that Jesus and Peter preached (to believe on the name of Jesus). It was not an accursed gospel.

Apparently, this is your out of context verses and version that points to 'heresy', where 'conflicts' to the context of the scripture and it's sound doctrine in the New Testament itself.

i have defended even quoting and explaining by doctrine to the context of things, which apparently repeatedly you turn a 'blind eye'.

Therefore we have nothing in common, scripturally you think you know something, but you know nothing at all.

So 'tarry on' with your modern day heretic's version of another gospel and spirit, no thank you.

 

[Fred J]

Readers,

Christ's commission to the 13 Apostles are the same, minister and witness the 'discipled' Gospel the 12 received from Christ first, to all nation and all creature.

And way later, minister and witness the 'revealed' Gospel to the 13th Apostle, an 'addition' of Christ to come 'in context' with the 12 Apostles'.

But due to time, place and circumstances, we have 'out of context' account where Peter, James, John and Paul were 'restricted' to certain group in ministry.

While rest of the 10 Apostles were able to fulfill the commission of Christ, travelling to all nation and all creature ministering and witnessing their Gospel discipled by Christ.

Please do a study what happened the 10 Apostles and which nations they ended up and being martyred for their Gospel.

Then again, while 'restricted' Peter and John's Gospel 'discipled' by Christ and Paul's Gospel 'revealed' by Christ only made it as far as Rome.

And Apostle John finally received the Revelation scroll while he was imprisoned at Patmos Island and died an old age.

'In context', the 13 Apostles fulfilled ministering and witnessing the 'one Gospel' to all creatures, Jews and Gentiles, from Jerusalem to all nation.

We have them canonized as the New Testament and by the Gospel according to Matthew to Paul 'in context', we've been saved and discipled for every good works (2Timothy3:16&17).

Over time and not surprising, men heretics are the ones made up the heresy that the Gospel of Christ is 'divided', a portion of it to the Jews and another portion of it to the Gentiles.

This is my stand and did our church fathers, against these heretics and their ongoing heresies devised even sophisticatedly from time to time.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

I have and there is no scriptural or historical evidence only church tradition

Dear readers,

Apparently we're dealing with 'foxes' here, one's cunning way to be in denial and turns a blind eye, and solely about one's deceiving dogma of heretics.

Whether even it's based on scripture and sound doctrine 'in context' of the Holy Bible, likewise explanation according to the wisdom given from above.

For the record, not everything to do with the Kingdom of GOD on earth is recorded in the Holy Bible, as Apostle John said to even the things of what Jesus did, there's no enough books to contain them.

Next, the Holy Ghost will lead us into the full truth and also wisdom shall be given unto us from above to have knowledge and understanding.

And besides the world historical evidence, there's the church tradition evidence as well that can roughly explain, here about the 12 Apostles.

Peter: Preached in Antioch and Rome, where he was martyred 64-67 AD. (as commissioned by Christ, besides an Apostle to the Jews, Peter was also an Apostle to the Gentiles as well)

Andrew: Traveled around the Black Sea, Asia Minor, and Greece(Patras), where he was crucified 60s AD.

James the Greater(Son of Zebedee and brother of John): Preached in Spain and was martyred in Jerusalem 44 AD.

John: Ministered in Asia Minor(modern-day Turkey) and die an old age at Ephesus 90s-100 AD.

Philip: Preached in North Africa and Asia Minor, and martyred in Hierapolis, Turkey 60s-70s AD.

Bartholomew(Nathanael): Preached in India, Armenia, Ethiopia, and Persia, and martyred in Armenia/India 60s-70s AD.

James the Less(Son of Alphaeus): Preached in Palestine and Egypt, and martyred in Jerusalem 60s AD.

Jude(Thaddaeus): Ministered in Mesopotamia, Libya, and Persia, and martyred in Persia or Syria 70s-80s AD.

Simon the Zealot: Preached in Egypt, Cyrene, and Persia, and martyred in Persia or Syria 70s AD.

Matthias(Replaced Judas Iscariot): Preached in Cappadocia and near the Caspian Sea, and martyred in Jerusalem or Judea.

Matthew: Preached in Judea, Ethiopia and Persia, and martyred in Ethiopia or Persia 60-70 AD.

Thomas: Preached in India and martyred in Mylapore, India 72 AD.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[rvmb]

Dear readers,

Apparently we're dealing with 'foxes' here, one's cunning way to be in denial and turns a blind eye, and solely about one's deceiving dogma of heretics.

Whether even it's based on scripture and sound doctrine 'in context' of the Holy Bible, likewise explanation according to the wisdom given from above.

For the record, not everything to do with the Kingdom of GOD on earth is recorded in the Holy Bible, as Apostle John said to even the things of what Jesus did, there's no enough books to contain them.

Next, the Holy Ghost will lead us into the full truth and also wisdom shall be given unto us from above to have knowledge and understanding.

And besides the world historical evidence, there's the church tradition evidence as well that can roughly explain, here about the 12 Apostles.

Peter: Preached in Antioch and Rome, where he was martyred 64-67 AD. (as commissioned by Christ, besides an Apostle to the Jews, Peter was also an Apostle to the Gentiles as well)

Andrew: Traveled around the Black Sea, Asia Minor, and Greece(Patras), where he was crucified 60s AD.

James the Greater(Son of Zebedee and brother of John): Preached in Spain and was martyred in Jerusalem 44 AD.

John: Ministered in Asia Minor(modern-day Turkey) and die an old age at Ephesus 90s-100 AD.

Philip: Preached in North Africa and Asia Minor, and martyred in Hierapolis, Turkey 60s-70s AD.

Bartholomew(Nathanael): Preached in India, Armenia, Ethiopia, and Persia, and martyred in Armenia/India 60s-70s AD.

James the Less(Son of Alphaeus): Preached in Palestine and Egypt, and martyred in Jerusalem 60s AD.

Jude(Thaddaeus): Ministered in Mesopotamia, Libya, and Persia, and martyred in Persia or Syria 70s-80s AD.

Simon the Zealot: Preached in Egypt, Cyrene, and Persia, and martyred in Persia or Syria 70s AD.

Matthias(Replaced Judas Iscariot): Preached in Cappadocia and near the Caspian Sea, and martyred in Jerusalem or Judea.

Matthew: Preached in Judea, Ethiopia and Persia, and martyred in Ethiopia or Persia 60-70 AD.

Thomas: Preached in India and martyred in Mylapore, India 72 AD.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

Scripture is clear :)
We today are his audience.
Eph 4:30 <<<< edit Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15
Acts 9:15
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
Gal 1:11-12
Gal 2:7-9

 

[Fred J]

Peter: Preached in Antioch and Rome, where he was martyred 64-67 AD. (as commissioned by Christ, besides an Apostle to the Jews, Peter was also an Apostle to the Gentiles as well)

Andrew: Traveled around the Black Sea, Asia Minor, and Greece(Patras), where he was crucified 60s AD.

James the Greater(Son of Zebedee and brother of John): Preached in Spain and was martyred in Jerusalem 44 AD.

John: Ministered in Asia Minor(modern-day Turkey) and die an old age at Ephesus 90s-100 AD.

Philip: Preached in North Africa and Asia Minor, and martyred in Hierapolis, Turkey 60s-70s AD.

Bartholomew(Nathanael): Preached in India, Armenia, Ethiopia, and Persia, and martyred in Armenia/India 60s-70s AD.

James the Less(Son of Alphaeus): Preached in Palestine and Egypt, and martyred in Jerusalem 60s AD.

Jude(Thaddaeus): Ministered in Mesopotamia, Libya, and Persia, and martyred in Persia or Syria 70s-80s AD.

Simon the Zealot: Preached in Egypt, Cyrene, and Persia, and martyred in Persia or Syria 70s AD.

Matthias(Replaced Judas Iscariot): Preached in Cappadocia and near the Caspian Sea, and martyred in Jerusalem or Judea.

Matthew: Preached in Judea, Ethiopia and Persia, and martyred in Ethiopia or Persia 60-70 AD.

Thomas: Preached in India and martyred in Mylapore, India 72 AD.

Readers,

Stephen was martyred around 35 AD - 36 AD, and during this time Paul was the persecutor and not converted yet.

After Stephen, Paul went after persecuting the church of Jesus Christ, furthermore got letter of approval to go after the church in Damacus.

And the 12 Apostles ministered and witnessed Jesus' discipled Gospel to all nation after 33 AD.

Therefore before Paul's conversion roughly 37 AD - 38 AD, beforehand from 33 AD onwards, Jesus' Gospel by the 12 Apostles have already reach many nations and Gentiles have been discipled by then.

Henceforth, roughly 4 years or more since passed that the Gentiles have believed and acted in faith according to Christ's Gospel by the 12 Apostles.

Then suddenly Jesus prepares Paul to bring a new gospel to the Gentiles, and this makes sense to Dough and his heresy.

As a result, it doesn't matter to Dough and denomination that GOD is an author of confusion and of unpeacefulness.

By doctrine GOD have 'divided' the 'body of Christ' into 'two parts', Jews take the major part and Gentiles take the leftovers.

There goes 'equality' down the drains as well on the other hand, and keep up the bad works 'Dough'.

 

[rvmb]

Readers,

Stephen was martyred around 35 AD - 36 AD, and during this time Paul was the persecutor and not converted yet.

After Stephen, Paul went after persecuting the church of Jesus Christ, furthermore got letter of approval to go after the church in Damacus.

And the 12 Apostles ministered and witnessed Jesus' discipled Gospel to all nation after 33 AD.

Therefore before Paul's conversion roughly 37 AD - 38 AD, beforehand from 33 AD onwards, Jesus' Gospel by the 12 Apostles have already reach many nations and Gentiles have been discipled by then.

Henceforth, roughly 4 years or more since passed that the Gentiles have believed and acted in faith according to Christ's Gospel by the 12 Apostles.

Then suddenly Jesus prepares Paul to bring a new gospel to the Gentiles, and this makes sense to Dough and his heresy.

As a result, it doesn't matter to Dough and denomination that GOD is an author of confusion and of unpeacefulness.

By doctrine GOD have 'divided' the 'body of Christ' into 'two parts', Jews take the major part and Gentiles take the leftovers.

There goes 'equality' down the drains as well on the other hand, and keep up the bad works 'Dough'.

""There goes 'equality' down the drains as well on the other hand""
All are one today :)
Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15

 

[Fred J]

""There goes 'equality' down the drains as well on the other hand""
All are one today :)
Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15

Yes, based on your man made Pauline doctrine and one with Dough, that all are one and in lawlessness, i agree.

 

[Fred J]

Scripture is clear :)
We today are his audience.
Eph 4:30
Acts 9:15
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
Gal 1:11-12
Gal 2:7-9

You are, based on your 'out of context' quotation to suite your twisted theory.

Not us, who are according to the context (2Timothy3:16&17)

We have 'nothing' in common, therefore true born again readers shall distinguish for themselves between the 'spirit of error' and 'spirit of truth'.

 

[rvmb]

Yes, based on your man made Pauline doctrine and one with Dough, that all are one and in lawlessness, i agree.

You are, based on your 'out of context' quotation to suite your twisted theory.

Not us, who are according to the context (2Timothy3:16&17)

We have 'nothing' in common, therefore true born again readers shall distinguish for themselves between the 'spirit of error' and 'spirit of truth'.

Eph 4;30 should have been Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15.
Now it makes more sense huh :)

 

[rvmb]

You are, based on your 'out of context' quotation to suite your twisted theory.

Not us, who are according to the context (2Timothy3:16&17)

We have 'nothing' in common, therefore true born again readers shall distinguish for themselves between the 'spirit of error' and 'spirit of truth'.

You're having a hard time accepting that EVERYONE today (Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15) is saved ONLY by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel.
When ready, list the Pauline verses that teach otherwise :)

 

[Fred J]

Eph 4;30 should have been Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15.
Now it makes more sense huh :)

To your out of context and fall short version, i agree

 

[Fred J]

You're having a hard time accepting that EVERYONE today (Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15) is saved ONLY by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel.
When ready, list the Pauline verses that teach otherwise :)

Because am having a good news time from the Gospel according Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and finishing by Paul's.

These 13 Apostles were commissioned by Christ to minister and witness the Gospel they were discipled with and ones revealed in full truth to Paul later.

They were equally 13 chosen 'vessels' commissioned by Christ to be Apostles unto the 'Gentiles', 'kings' and 'the children of Israel', from Jerusalem to all nation.

Besides the commission of Christ which is the 'context' they must fulfill, there were time due to circumstances and purpose, they faced 'shifts' and 'restrictions'.

Where Peter temporarily for a time had to be an Apostle to the Jews and likewise Paul to the Gentiles.

But the doctrine which Christ discipled first the 11 and sharpened more in full truth revealed to the 13, 'in context' is the Gospel.

The single Gospel ministered and witnessed to the Jews and Gentiles unto salvation and discipled unto eternal life.

There's no 'shortcut' for you Gentiles of today, for you to claim that your salvation is by the Gospel according Paul alone.

While at the same time 'dividing' the Gospel according to the 12, were alone for the remnant of Jews unto salvation.

Sadly, you will only turn out to be workers of 'iniquity' and 'lawlessness', and on that day will only be told by the Lord to depart from Him.

 

[rvmb]

Because am having a good news time from the Gospel according Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and finishing by Paul's.

These 13 Apostles were commissioned by Christ to minister and witness the Gospel they were discipled with and ones revealed in full truth to Paul later.

They were equally 13 chosen 'vessels' commissioned by Christ to be Apostles unto the 'Gentiles', 'kings' and 'the children of Israel', from Jerusalem to all nation.

Besides the commission of Christ which is the 'context' they must fulfill, there were time due to circumstances and purpose, they faced 'shifts' and 'restrictions'.

Where Peter temporarily for a time had to be an Apostle to the Jews and likewise Paul to the Gentiles.

But the doctrine which Christ discipled first the 11 and sharpened more in full truth revealed to the 13, 'in context' is the Gospel.

The single Gospel ministered and witnessed to the Jews and Gentiles unto salvation and discipled unto eternal life.

There's no 'shortcut' for you Gentiles of today, for you to claim that your salvation is by the Gospel according Paul alone.

While at the same time 'dividing' the Gospel according to the 12, were alone for the remnant of Jews unto salvation.

Sadly, you will only turn out to be workers of 'iniquity' and 'lawlessness', and on that day will only be told by the Lord to depart from Him.

Your story versus :-
Acts 9:15
Acts 15:6-25
Gal 2:6
Gal 2:7-9
1 Tim 1:16
Gal 1:11-12
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
Looks like you lose FuJer

 

[Fred J]

Your story versus :-
Acts 9:15
Acts 15:6-25
Gal 2:6
Gal 2:7-9
1 Tim 1:16
Gal 1:11-12
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
Looks like you lose FuJer

i 'lose' according to you, but you've 'lost it', and are among workers of 'iniquity' or 'lawlessness'.

We have nothing in common, only going back and forth, and agree nowhere, no thank you.

 

[rvmb]

i 'lose' according to you, but you've 'lost it', and are among workers of 'iniquity' or 'lawlessness'.

We have nothing in common, only going back and forth, and agree nowhere, no thank you.

Gal 2:7-9
Who teaches you the Gospel , Peter or Paul ?

 

[Fred J]

No historical evidence just Catholic tradition and veneration. The claimed tomb found contained no remains the relics were supposdly sent to Rome

i get it that you're 'shortsighted' and unable to see 'afar'.