PAUL IS AN APOSTLE, BUT TO WHO?

[Fred J]

Gal 2:7-9
Who teaches you the Gospel , Peter or Paul ?

Where in the scripture Jesus who is the Master and decider of Peter and Paul's ministry and commission, told them specifically to do so??

 

[rvmb]

Where in the scripture Jesus who is the Master and decider of Peter and Paul's ministry and commission, told them specifically to do so??

Not a hard question FJ.
Does Gal 2:7-9 teach that Peter teaches you the Gospel or Paul ?
If you don't know, say so :)

 

[Fred J]

Not a hard question FJ.
Does Gal 2:7-9 teach that Peter teaches you the Gospel or Paul ?
If you don't know, say so :)

Stop the 'gibberish nonsense', thank you.

In context, did Jesus the Master of us all and decider, specifically commission Paul to be an Apostle to the Gentiles?

Give us the scripture?

 

[rvmb]

Stop the 'gibberish nonsense', thank you.

In context, did Jesus the Master of us all and decider, specifically commission Paul to be an Apostle to the Gentiles?

Give us the scripture?

Still too hard ?
Gal 2:7-9, who teaches you>>FuJ, the Gospel, Peter or Paul ? :)

 

[Fred J]

Stop the 'gibberish nonsense', thank you.

In context, did Jesus the Master of us all and decider, specifically commission Paul to be an Apostle to the Gentiles?

Give us the scripture?

Still too hard for you too 'rvmb'?

 

[rvmb]

Still too hard for you too 'rvmb'?

Peter teaches FuJ the Gospel.
Peter is the Apostle to FuJ.
FuJ is saved by Peters Gospel Acts 2:38-45
FuJ received the HS when hands were laid on him Acts 8:17
Tell us FuJ, how are you coping with Acts 2:44-45 ? :)
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

 

[Fred J]

Readers,

The Holy Ghost will lead us into the full truth, let's listen to Him, thank you.

Scripturally 'in context', in the beginning the 12 Apostles were discipled in the Gospel according to John the Baptist in regards repentance and water baptism.

In order for the Israelites to 'make a straight path for the Lord', who'll furthermore baptize them with Holy Ghost and Fire.

But before that He personally chose the 12(Matthias who replaced Judas was around), and disciple them as born again believers, all that is to know the Gospel pertaining to the Kingdom of GOD.

And before His ascension Jesus commissioned them (what they've been discipled with), to likewise make disciples of all nation and water baptizing them.

Then on the day of Pentecost, Jesus indeed baptize them with Holy Ghost and Fire, and they began the given commission from Jerusalem itself.

Therefore the Apostles travelled to all nation and fulfilled the commission, and a few of them were ministering in Jerusalem and the surroundings.

No matter Jews or Gentiles, the same Gospel ministry for both, furthermore discipled and equally become the 'one body of Christ'.

Then after 4 - 5 years suddenly Jesus chose Paul, who encounter conversion, and commissioned him specifically 'to bear Christ's name', to the Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.

In the book of Acts, even Paul and his ministry, the Gospel of John the Baptist and the Gospel of Jesus Christ was the real deal for salvation and eternal life, equally for the Jews and Gentiles.

Therefore to what Christ Jesus commissioned them even to the 13th Apostle, 'in context' was 'coming to pass'
smoothly in all nation.

Until a problem of division broke up in resentment between the circumcised believers and uncircumcised believers.

That spiral until Paul discovered Peter started to show resentment while dining in fellowship with the uncircumcised, when James party arrived.

Paul rebuked Peter and they parted ways, until one day Paul, having knowledge from above in favor of the uncircumcised, visited Jerusalem to meet Peter and resolve this matter.

When James verified about the matter, and with Peter, having knowledge from above in favor of the circumcised as well.

That is decided then to implement 'observation laws' for the uncircumcised, besides the circumcised had theirs and to be 'fair' in judgement.

And this is the Gospel to the uncircumcised and the Gospel to the circumcised, Paul's referring to and made an agreement with Peter, James and John. (Galatians)

But rest of the Apostles in all nation proceeded by the same Gospel according to John the Baptist and Lord Jesus Christ making disciples.

Am one of them, made disciple of the same Gospel 'in context' foundation of the Apostles in the New Testament and the Prophets in the Old Testament. (Ephesians 2:20/2Timothy3:16&17)

Therefore i have no fellowship nor anything common to go on with those 'uncircumcised believers' today, merely built in the foundation of one Apostle Paul's Gospel.

All Honor, All Praise, and All Glory goes to ABBA FATHER, because of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost.

 

[Fred J]

Peter teaches FuJ the Gospel.
Peter is the Apostle to FuJ.
FuJ is saved by Peters Gospel Acts 2:38-45
FuJ received the HS when hands were laid on him Acts 8:17
Tell us FuJ, how are you coping with Acts 2:44-45 ? :)
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Ha, ha, ha, Sunday school teaches better than you, perhaps you need to give it a try, crawl before you walk or you'll hurt yourself.

 

[rvmb]

Ha, ha, ha, Sunday school teaches better than you, perhaps you need to give it a try, crawl before you walk or you'll hurt yourself.

hahaha, you are unable to defend your opinions with verses, no surprise FuJie :)

 

[rvmb]

I have given some facts, not my opinion. I will give them to you again. I ask you respectfully/politely to address these facts and refute them with facts.

CLAIM 1 Peter: Preached in Antioch and Rome, where he was martyred 64-67 AD. (as commissioned by Christ, besides an Apostle to the Jews, Peter was also an Apostle to the Gentiles as well)

"There is no solid evidence—textual or even archaeological—that Peter died in Rome.".......... from the Biblical Archeology Society

"That St. Peter taught and died and Rome is a tradition of the Catholic Church, ".........from EWTN

Britannica said the first evidence of Peter's death in Rome came from a letter written by Ignatius, a catholic bishop.

I couldn't find any historical evidence outside of letters from Clement and Ignatius, who being Catholics makes their claims dubious.

There is no evidence that Peter's bones were found under the Basilica. "Antonio Ferrua, the archaeologist who headed the excavation that uncovered what the Catholic Church says is Saint Peter's Tomb, said he was not convinced the bones found were those of Saint Peter"....... from Legacy.com

CLAIM 2 James the Greater (Son of Zebedee and brother of John): Preached in Spain and was martyred in Jerusalem 44 AD.

I could find no historical evidence other than those of Catholic origin.

" All the association with relics associated with him supports that this is Catholic tradition".........from New Advent

CLAIM 3 Philip: Preached in North Africa and Asia Minor, and martyred in Hierapolis, Turkey 60s-70s AD.

This all the Bible has to say of Philip's missionary journeys:
Philip, driven by the Spirit, went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed Christ to the people there (Acts 8:5)

Philip's evangelistic journey continues as he is directed by an angel of the Lord to go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza.

After baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch, Philip is supernaturally transported by the Spirit of the Lord to Azotus (a city in Israel). From there, he continues to preach the Gospel in all the towns until he reaches Caesarea.

I found no historic account of missionary journeys elsewhere.

In regard to Philip being martyred in Hierapolis, Turkey 60s-70s AD., that rests on a claim of finding his tomb there:
"The remains of the apostle Philip are no longer in the tomb, however. According to D’Andria, the saint’s relics were very likely moved from Hierapolis to Constantinople at the end of the sixth century and then possibly taken to Rome and placed in the newly dedicated Church of St. Philip and St. John (now the Church of the Holy Apostles), although 12th-century reports describe seeing Philip’s remains still in Constantinople, the seat of Christian Turkey"..........Biblical archaeology society

""I ask you respectfully/politely to address these facts and refute them with facts.""
Good luck Doug, When asked for proof/verses FuJ responds with generally sarcastic Catholic based opinions.

 

[Fred J]

hahaha, you are unable to defend your opinions with verses, no surprise FuJie :)

Folly!

Since you're a 'blind guide' to the 'blind', you couldn't read my post and understand, will therefore try once again due to charity.

May in Jesus name GOD restore your 'sight' to 'see' the Kingdom of GOD.

Ephesians 2:

19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of he household of GOD;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the 'Apostles' and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being Chief Corner Stone;


Readers,

'rvmb' and alike believers of today are only built in the gospel foundation of Paul, and this is 'heresy'.

When Paul himself wrote, especially the quotes above and in context in the epistle to the Ephesians Gentile church.

Explaining to them that they Gentiles believers are fellowcitizens with the Jewish believer saints, and of the household of GOD.

And are built upon the foundation of the 'Apostles' (since then, and for us today in the New Testament, from Gospel according to Matthew to the Revelation of John, and not Paul's alone).

'rvmb' your time is up, for you may move on to 'deceive' someone else, no thank you.

 

[Fred J]

I have given some facts, not my opinion. I will give them to you again. I ask you respectfully/politely to address these facts and refute them with facts.

CLAIM 1 Peter: Preached in Antioch and Rome, where he was martyred 64-67 AD. (as commissioned by Christ, besides an Apostle to the Jews, Peter was also an Apostle to the Gentiles as well)

"There is no solid evidence—textual or even archaeological—that Peter died in Rome.".......... from the Biblical Archeology Society

"That St. Peter taught and died and Rome is a tradition of the Catholic Church, ".........from EWTN

Britannica said the first evidence of Peter's death in Rome came from a letter written by Ignatius, a catholic bishop.

I couldn't find any historical evidence outside of letters from Clement and Ignatius, who being Catholics makes their claims dubious.

There is no evidence that Peter's bones were found under the Basilica. "Antonio Ferrua, the archaeologist who headed the excavation that uncovered what the Catholic Church says is Saint Peter's Tomb, said he was not convinced the bones found were those of Saint Peter"....... from Legacy.com

CLAIM 2 James the Greater (Son of Zebedee and brother of John): Preached in Spain and was martyred in Jerusalem 44 AD.

I could find no historical evidence other than those of Catholic origin.

" All the association with relics associated with him supports that this is Catholic tradition".........from New Advent

CLAIM 3 Philip: Preached in North Africa and Asia Minor, and martyred in Hierapolis, Turkey 60s-70s AD.

This all the Bible has to say of Philip's missionary journeys:
Philip, driven by the Spirit, went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed Christ to the people there (Acts 8:5)

Philip's evangelistic journey continues as he is directed by an angel of the Lord to go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza.

After baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch, Philip is supernaturally transported by the Spirit of the Lord to Azotus (a city in Israel). From there, he continues to preach the Gospel in all the towns until he reaches Caesarea.

I found no historic account of missionary journeys elsewhere.

In regard to Philip being martyred in Hierapolis, Turkey 60s-70s AD., that rests on a claim of finding his tomb there:
"The remains of the apostle Philip are no longer in the tomb, however. According to D’Andria, the saint’s relics were very likely moved from Hierapolis to Constantinople at the end of the sixth century and then possibly taken to Rome and placed in the newly dedicated Church of St. Philip and St. John (now the Church of the Holy Apostles), although 12th-century reports describe seeing Philip’s remains still in Constantinople, the seat of Christian Turkey"..........Biblical archaeology society

No need all this 'irrelevant' lengthy stuff for distraction.

What about the other Apostles besides Peter, didn't they make disciple of every creature as commissioned by Christ.

You want 'proof' and 'evidence' to details like unbelievers, and not wisdom for above and All Scripture = Holy Bible in brief?

i need to move on from toddler's reasoning of this world.

 

[rvmb]

Catholics would be inclined to adhere to the apostles going to all nations in accordance to Jesus's command to go unto every creature ........[Mark 16:15 KJV] "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

Well-meaning believers often quote those verses.
Yet Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9 teaches me that today Paul is my Salvation teaching Apostle & Minister & not the 12.
When that's disputed, I politely ask for the verses that teach otherwise

 

[rvmb]

Folly!

Since you're a 'blind guide' to the 'blind', you couldn't read my post and understand, will therefore try once again due to charity.

May in Jesus name GOD restore your 'sight' to 'see' the Kingdom of GOD.

Ephesians 2:

19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of he household of GOD;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the 'Apostles' and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being Chief Corner Stone;


Readers,

'rvmb' and alike believers of today are only built in the gospel foundation of Paul, and this is 'heresy'.

When Paul himself wrote, especially the quotes above and in context in the epistle to the Ephesians Gentile church.

Explaining to them that they Gentiles believers are fellowcitizens with the Jewish believer saints, and of the household of GOD.

And are built upon the foundation of the 'Apostles' (since then, and for us today in the New Testament, from Gospel according to Matthew to the Revelation of John, and not Paul's alone).

'rvmb' your time is up, for you may move on to 'deceive' someone else, no thank you.

You're all over the place FuJ.
Let me know when are prepared to be polite & discuss issues VERSE AT A TIME

 

[Fred J]

You're all over the place FuJ.
Let me know when are prepared to be polite & discuss issues VERSE AT A TIME

Talk about who's 'over the place' and 'out of context' about Paul's gospel the Gentiles got their salvation, and not from the 12's.

Run with what you believe, i've stated mine, therefore we've nothing common, you're not my teacher besides the 'anointing' placed inside of me.

Not with the 'heresy' and 'out of context' verses of yours that i would discuss in 'vain', no thank you.

 

[rvmb]

Talk about who's 'over the place' and 'out of context' about Paul's gospel the Gentiles got their salvation, and not from the 12's.

Run with what you believe, i've stated mine, therefore we've nothing common, you're not my teacher besides the 'anointing' placed inside of me.

Not with the 'heresy' and 'out of context' verses of yours that i would discuss in 'vain', no thank you.

Let's see if you can answer a simple question
Gal 2:7-9
Who teaches you the Gospel, Peter or Paul?

 

[Fred J]

Let's see if you can answer a simple question
Gal 2:7-9
Who teaches you the Gospel, Peter or Paul?

Why are you so 'desperate', when i already gave you the win, therefore move forward and deceive others?

You're at it again and trying to rub in your 'twisted' version from the 'spirit of error'.

Go and find someone else, no thank you.

 

[rvmb]

Why are you so 'desperate', when i already gave you the win, therefore move forward and deceive others?

You're at it again and trying to rub in your 'twisted' version from the 'spirit of error'.

Go and find someone else, no thank you.

""Why are you so 'desperate', when i already gave you the win,""
re Gal 2:7-9
Great, you accept that Paul (NOT Peter) has the Christ given role to teach the saving Gospel to you.
I assume that you then accept the saving Gospel that Paul taught is :-
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 - saved/justified/sealed

 

[Fred J]

""Why are you so 'desperate', when i already gave you the win,""
re Gal 2:7-9
Great, you accept that Paul (NOT Peter) has the Christ given role to teach the saving Gospel to you.
I assume that you then accept the saving Gospel that Paul taught is :-
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 - saved/justified/sealed

i disagree and don't accept your out of context gospel version.

Am built in the foundation of the Apostle's' in the New Testament and of the Prophets in the Old Testament, and am the man of GOD according to 2Timothy3:16&17.

 

[rvmb]

i disagree and don't accept your out of context gospel version.

Am built in the foundation of the Apostle's' in the New Testament and of the Prophets in the Old Testament, and am the man of GOD according to 2Timothy3:16&17.

Gal 2:7-9
Confirming that you accept it is Paul who teaches you the Gospel, yes or no ?