Ten virgins

[rebuilder 454]

Let me ask you this …Do you see any similarities between:

Matthew 25:9-11 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go you rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. [10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. [11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Luke 16:9 And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous wealth, so that when it fails they may receive you into the eternal dwellings.

It ties in but remotely.
Jesus explained exactly what was meant.
If you read the meaning first, then read vs 9 it makes perfect sense

9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Read vs 9 last.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?

That makes it even more profound, I think. Jesus instructed them to go make friends with the unrighteous mammon…so that when it fails …
Then if you have not be faithful in the unrighteous mammon …isn’t failing unfaithful in it? ‘Who then will commit to your trust the true riches?’ Which I genuinely believe as the unrighteous mammon which one has made friends with has failed the question of who will commit to your trust the true riches is answered in ‘when it fails, they may receive you into everlasting(that which doesn’t fail) habitations.’

An example:
2 Corinthians 2:6-8 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. [7] So that contrariwise you ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. [8] Wherefore I beseech you that you would confirm your love toward him.

Point being when making friends with the unrighteousness mammon so that when it fails …which I would think we all should be able to relate to failing…seek you the true riches? Warning those who trust in uncertain riches? It will fail. If no one will commit unto your trust the true riches then we better hope we are faithful and don’t fail in the unrighteous mammon

 

[Doug]

Look

You could care less about my testimony.

I already told you I met Jesus similar to Paul.
PAUL DID NOT SEE JESUS.

You are probing my experience for one reason.
To muddy it up with your salvation formulas.

But Jesus talked to Paul.......what that the case with you?
You can attribute motivations for me asking but I am genuinely wanting to know

 

[Doug]

Let me ask you this …Do you see any similarities between:

Matthew 25:9-11 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go you rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. [10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. [11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Luke 16:9 And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous wealth, so that when it fails they may receive you into the eternal dwellings.

? 1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

sorry I dont

 

[Muna]

I never said that or implied that I think that.

I asked if Jesus was mistaken when He Described the foolish virgins as believers?

Here lets show the back and forth here

To my post here

"The kingdom of heaven is also likened unto a net gathering up into it every kind (both good and bad) until the time of severing the wicked from among the just.

The kingdom of heaven there would be likened to those ten divided into two groups, wise and foolish and the lamp of the foolish go out just even as the wicked lamp would be put out.

The forgiven servant who ended up becoming the wicked servant who did not His will (Mat 18:32)"

You responded this way,

You saying Jesus was mistaken ,in describing the foolish virgins as believers?

I responded to you to point out that

I have made reference to these three parables concerning the kingdom of heaven in my reply

Mat 13:46 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind

Mat 13:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

How would you come to the conclusion that Jesus is mistaken about anything at all

To which you reponded,

I never said that or implied that I think that.

I asked if Jesus was mistaken when He Described the foolish virgins as believers?

To which I am now replying again,

Where is Jesus mistaken, or I am I somehow mistaken concerning Jesus and the foolish either not being or being believers? In otherwords, what is inspiring the question? What portion of what I posted somehow makes something one or another that makes Jesus mistaken? Which verse are you even talking about? Because I hadn't post their Lord, Lord verse in any of that.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

sorry I dont

You don’t have to apologize to me. I could be wrong. It’s important to me though because to me it tells of why Jesus would instruct them to make friends with the unrighteous mammon, when he knows it will fail. It does help to for me with why the wise would tell them to go buy from those who sell in the market place knowing it will fail. To me it’s applicable for life and not just empty instruction.

 

[Doug]

You don’t have to apologize to me. I could be wrong. It’s important to me though because to me it tells of why Jesus would instruct them to make friends with the unrighteous mammon, when he knows it will fail. It does help to for me with why the wise would tell them to go buy from those who sell in the market place knowing it will fail. To me it’s applicable for life and not just empty instruction.

I dont fully understand this passage in Luke 16 but all I can see from it it's not a good thing the way the steward handled the money. The stewards behaviour affected his position of authority and usefulness in the kingdom on earth in which believing Israel will reign with Christ

 

[rebuilder 454]

So where does scripture say we control how much of the Spirit we receive or that some dont get enough of it

In Acts the impartation of the Holy Spirit was a second work after salvation.
Jesus said to his followers to get the power before attempting the walk of the believer.
Jesus said of the lukewarm to "go buy refined gold", referring to the ingredient of the Holy Spirit.

Paul's Sauid there are spiritual believers and carnal ones.
Inferring the fruit of the Spirit is exposes one is full or not full of the spirit.

 

[soberxp]

All I know is that this is just informing the other five that they need to buy oil, and that's all.
As for whether they buy oil or not, and where they buy it from, do you think they know about it?

 

[rebuilder 454]

[1 Corinthians 3:1 KJV] "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ."
[1 Corinthians 3:3 KJV] "For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?"................Paul was saying they were carnal because they were causing divisions

Well, kinda.
What he was illustrating is the opposite.
He is saying that the fruit of them indicates their carnality.
IOW carnal Christians are not able to be given spiritual meat.
Why?
Because they lack any depth of spirit and spiritual teaching is beyond their understanding.
( a waste of time)

Their behavior indicates their level.

 

[rebuilder 454]

[1 Peter 1:1 KJV] "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,"
[1 Peter 1:6 KJV] "Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:"
[1 Peter 1:7 KJV] "That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:"........................I think this passage may have bearing than thinking Jesus was talking about the Spirit. Verse one shows the believing Jews were facing a trial of their faith, they were facing persecution and were scattered. The trial of their faith aludes to gold
In Revelation the believers were facing the trial of their face in the great tribulation

In both examples ( the virgins and the lukewarm) , to miss what is happening there is not the high ground.

In both instances " buy" is figurative.
It is POINTING to what they BOTH ran out of.

What is IMPARTED TO BELIEVERS AFTER SALVATION?

IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR in Acts that the Holy Spirit is the second work of the believer.

Ask "what is missing "...
In both examples.

 

[rebuilder 454]

All I know is that this is just informing the other five that they need to buy oil, and that's all.
As for whether they buy oil or not, and where they buy it from, do you think they know about it?

Probably not.
I like you are unpacking it.

It is uncanny that in every deception, the ones decieved DO NOT KNOW they are decieved.

Bless God for illumination.
Without it, we are guaranteed to go down the deception highway.

 

[rebuilder 454]

We dont find anything in Paul that would make one think this applies to us. God was operating differently in that dispensation

Ok.
Just reject the infilling of the Holy Spirit.
Mentally walk.
Mental discernment.
Mental view concerning any power or authority of the believer.
The bible is a baptist rule book. And a history book.

I wonder why Paul said to walk in the spirit?
Rom 8
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


1 cor 14
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

For those that have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, we continually walk in the Spirit and exactly as the bible depicts the power of the Holy Spirit.

Nothing has changed.
The church backslid into its current powerless comfort zone.

 

[rebuilder 454]

[1 Peter 1:1 KJV] "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,"
[1 Peter 1:6 KJV] "Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:"
[1 Peter 1:7 KJV] "That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:"........................I think this passage may have bearing than thinking Jesus was talking about the Spirit. Verse one shows the believing Jews were facing a trial of their faith, they were facing persecution and were scattered. The trial of their faith aludes to gold
In Revelation the believers were facing the trial of their face in the great tribulation

I attend a Baptist Bible study.
And I pretty much yawn the whole way Through it.
TO THEM, The Bible is a history book.
And they champion the Trivia.
( names, places, verses, chronology,)
They champion all that, and are so proud of their little Bible Knowledge.
About half of the Bible study hour is them commending themselves for some good deed they did, or some insight that they had.
It is boring beyond words.
They do not have the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
They do not hang around any spiritual believers.
They know nothing of being slain in the spirit. They have never been in the presence of God to the point of being totally disarmed and changed.
They never hear God speak to them.
They know nothing of the power of God operating in the believer.
They are completely void.
They have no visions or dreams.

I've asked them about 15 times, what is the difference in a Jewish gathering or a mormon gathering? Or a Jehovah's witness gathering?
This gathering with my fellow Baptist believers......What is the difference?
They don't know. I have to point it out to them.
... and they don't get it.
They don't understand that Jesus' IMPARTATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,is the difference.
And it's not the mental fact we know all about Jesus.
Jesus told us to go and get the power. That's what he told his disciples ....to go and get the power.

In other words, how in the world can somebody be saved and not get the baptism of the Holy Spirit? That is available and it's freely given?

That is the DIFFERENCE.
The Holy Spirit POWER is the difference from all other religions.

You know .....the dynamic the church now DOES NOT NEED.

DEAD CHURCHES.
DEAD PASTORS.
"WE DON'T NEED THAT HOLY SPIRIT MESS AROUND HERE. WE GOT OUR MENTAL SAFE RELIGION"

 

[David in NJ]

All I know is that this is just informing the other five that they need to buy oil, and that's all.
As for whether they buy oil or not, and where they buy it from, do you think they know about it?

PARABLE

The parable is speaking symbolically of actual Truth.

You Mission is to know what the Truth is in the Parable spoken by the LORD.

 

[Fred J]

This study will present my understanding of this well-known parable. I understand the parable as being directed to Jewish believers.

Nope readers, for the above statement is false

The same parable in the Gospel Jesus discipled the 12, He further commissioned them to make disciple of all nation or every creature, and Gentiles included.

The 10 virgins parable resembles the body of Christ that includes the remnant of Jews saved by grace and Gentiles saved by gace.

Apostle Paul himself ministered and witnessed, there's neither Jews or Gentiles, for ye are all 'one' in Christ Jesus, and Abraham's 'seed'.

Meaning also as Abraham's 'offspring', Christ is the Head while Jew and Gentile believers are the body and members making up 'a person'.

Be aware of false teachers and blind guides!

Thank you and shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Fred J]

I dont get my doctrine from Acts, but Paul. We get the Spirit and are dealed when we believe Paul's gospel

Then why you minster and witness to us about the 10 virgins according to Gospel of Matthew??

It's like an 'hypocrite', say one thing and do another thing, right readers??

 

[rebuilder 454]

I dont get my doctrine from Acts, but Paul. We get the Spirit and are sealed when we believe Paul's gospel

Then scripture to you is only partially inspired.

Your doctrine has Paul cursing every Apostle and Jesus.
PAUL : " IF ANYONE come to you with a different gospel than the o mm e we preach, let him be accursed.
( now remember your doctrine says everyone but Paul preached a different gospel)

By you saying all preached a different gospel than Paul....
SMH

Which you have been shown decisively to be 100% false.
I had forgotten you are one given over to the hyper pauline error.
And a edited twisted bible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I dont get my doctrine from Matthew Mark Luke or John either. Jesus was teaching Israel, not us, about the coming earthly kingdom promised Israel. I can learn from and incorporate all scripture. I can understand and convey his teachings I just dont make them about what they aren't

Then go against Jesus false doctrine publicly.
Renounce putting God first.
Renounce looking ahead and promote looking back.
Never turn the other cheek.
Renounce the false concept of Jesus teaching "no other way to heaven except through him."
Reverse all his parables, and declare them boggus.
Practice unforgiveness, not Jesus false teaching on forgiveness.
Refuse the power given at the upper room.
Never deny yourself, never pick up your cross, never follow Him.
Admit Paul was in error for aligning himself with Jesus false teaching of picking up the cross.

Those other NON- Pauline books are so dangerous.
The gall of the Holy Spirit speaking through others besides Paul, only to entrap and lead the church astray.

That bible is so deceitful.

OH WAIT......Paul actually rescued Jesus by picking up Jesus teaching!!!!!
Jesus meant us harm.
Paul came and saved Jesus and us from Jesus' error.

SMH

 

[rebuilder 454]

Hyperpaulines are legends in their own minds.
Saving the church from Holy Spirit inspired bibles.