Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Marvelloustime]

if one agrees not with trump , didnt you know they must be communist
just like if one does not agree with liberal , dont ya know they must be a hater of democracy , as even biden has said and others .
But you wanna know what both camps will soon have in common
and in part already do .
HEY IF YOU AGREE WITH THE BIBLE , THAT DOCTRINE , THAT JESUS
YOU JUST NEEDS TO BE RIDDED FROM THE EARTH . fundamental biblical christanity
IS their enemy and THAT JESUS .
Both sides gonna be real happy to be rid of men like me in the days ahead
EVEN beliving they do the will of GOD , OF LOVE and FOR PEACE N SAFETY .
ITS ALL been a snare . its all been a delusion to make ready this world
for a digital solution and to rid the earth of ALL who did not conform .

@amigo de christo

 

[soberxp]

Why thank you kindly ! because I know that is in fact the Truth !

We are not against the People of China at all, It's that people like me do not like Dictators because we value Virtue ! for True Chrisians we are no ones Cattle.

I may even have some respect for China's Leader in regards that he is a better Leader for his own Nations people, than our PM who is a total Jerk himself ! a boy man.

But China's Leader is clearly on an insane path, that will not go down well for anyone in fact ! unless if one has no value for peoples lives.

Your Communism is a Death Cult in fact ! Communism has killed howmany people in China alone ? you want to wake up to yourself ! and snap out of it !
Communism in China is only being played on This footing for it's ends ! but if it's ends come to play, you will see all such tactics change and turn 180 deg for you and your people. and the wealthy in China will have everything taken off them. because that's true Communism to keep everyone down.

Not to mention Socialism is just a tool that leads to Communism and it's all about a Mob of Tyrants that only want to make Slaves of all who are under them in fact !

So if one is totaly Possessed, such a one would support crap like Communism ! and want to be at the Top ?

Sure we have Issues with Capitalism because of trash people and uneducated dolts that are clearly Lost ! such are criminal minded slobs.

Have a nice day ! and try not to drag people down ! but try and lift them up, for their own health and everyones true foundations of welbeing ! For what is sick is in fact just only sick.

China's "revival," to some extent, does not rely on any religion or superstition. Precisely because China has its own culture, I think this is very good—at least much better than a wolf in sheep's clothing.

It shows me another possibility.

That is, wherever the gospel has intervened, things have been screwed up.

It's like God created humans, but Satan always manages to disrupt what God wants to do. However, in China, I see another possibility. God is really unlucky. Here, the ruling party does not accept any religion, only follows materialism and the objective laws of the development of things. This actually simplifies things and makes problem-solving clearer.

Coincidentally, these practices counteract Satan's schemes. I am unsure whether to thank the corruption of Western Christianity or to thank China's enemies for making China aware of some real problems. I can't draw a precise conclusion, but this is how I feel.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

you sure about that . Israel as a nation supports that which is of anti christ and its ecumiencal lie .
NOW had we truly l oved them or any other people of any other nation
WE HAD FOCUSED ON THE HEAVENLY and had preached THAT MESSAGE , THAT KINGDOM
THAT CHRIST , THAT GOSPEL . i suggest we all be on guard . Cause i sure did try and warn even YOU
that they are creeping into ALL CAMPS now . Just a friendly , but dire necessary reminder .

Yes, I'm sure.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, I'm sure.

have
you heard anything that implies we need to st art overlooking our differences and focus on what we have in common .
IF SO , WELCOME to the early stages of ecumeincalism . bridge builders , tearing down walls .
IF you have heard the phrase we dont judge , dont tell people in your church about their sins
cause they already know they are in sin , just try and love them to GOD . YOU ARE ALREADY being programmed right into it .
And there are far more examples i can bring .

 

[amigo de christo]

China's "revival," to some extent, does not rely on any religion or superstition. Precisely because China has its own culture, I think this is very good—at least much better than a wolf in sheep's clothing.

It shows me another possibility.

That is, wherever the gospel has intervened, things have been screwed up.

It's like God created humans, but Satan always manages to disrupt what God wants to do. However, in China, I see another possibility. God is really unlucky. Here, the ruling party does not accept any religion, only follows materialism and the objective laws of the development of things. This actually simplifies things and makes problem-solving clearer.

Coincidentally, these practices counteract Satan's schemes. I am unsure whether to thank the corruption of Western Christianity or to thank China's enemies for making China aware of some real problems. I can't draw a precise conclusion, but this is how I feel.

Would you thank the devil . Of course not . SO never thank one for evil actions .
As far as china and the rest of the nations are concerned .
I would pull every man , woman and child , IF I COULD out of any thing ecumeincal
anything tied into nationaslims of any country , AND darn sure out of the WORLD we are one junk .
May i sug gest
we all make a fast return to the bible for to learn for ourselves . ITS JESUS preaching time .THE REAL ONE too .
Cause this world has long tanked and worse so has much of christendom .
Dont think any nations church is be tter than any others either . THEY ALL TANKING .
all are buying more and more into the ecumenical movement .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

have
you heard anything that implies we need to st art overlooking our differences and focus on what we have in common .
IF SO , WELCOME to the early stages of ecumeincalism . bridge builders , tearing down walls .
IF you have heard the phrase we dont judge , dont tell people in your church about their sins
cause they already know they are in sin , just try and love them to GOD . YOU ARE ALREADY being programmed right into it .
And there are far more examples i can bring .

These are about national Israel. I will not tempt God.

Numbers 24
“Blessed is he who blesses you,
And cursed is he who curses you.”

Romans 11:25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

 

[amigo de christo]

These are about national Israel.

Numbers 24
“Blessed is he who blesses you,
And cursed is he who curses you.”

Romans 11:25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

a quick question . have you heard those phrases i wrote in your church .
cause if you have , you better run and take some with you .
Its been infiltrated . Now as far as ISRAEL is concerned . How often Did GOD accept their sin .
NEVER . in other words the flesh dont mean squat IF THE HEART is not after GOD .
SO why did i bring that up .
CAUSE if israel is NOT OF CHRIST , THEN ITS NOT OF TRUE ISRAEL . NOR wll GOD accept them .
IN other words , lets lose the p olitics and return to the heavenly and start preaching JESUS to all that has breath .
Do be encouraged .

 

[Rockerduck]

These are about national Israel. I will not tempt God.

Numbers 24
“Blessed is he who blesses you,
And cursed is he who curses you.”

Romans 11:25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

The Israel today is not the Judah of Apostle Paul's day. Israel today is very similar to Samaria in Apostle Paul's day. It is a secular nation. Roman 11:25 refers to when the "completeness" of the number of those in the world that are saved. The deliverers has come already, it was Jesus. The time stamp "until" means something comes next. Christ will come and collect His saints and at the same time destroy the earth. Then creates a new heaven and earth.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The Israel today is not the Judah of Apostle Paul's day. Israel today is very similar to Samaria in Apostle Paul's day. It is a secular nation. Roman 11:25 refers to when the "completeness" of the number of those in the world that are saved. The deliverers has come already, it was Jesus. The time stamp "until" means something comes next. Christ will come and collect His saints and at the same time destroy the earth. Then creates a new heaven and earth.

Then why did Jesus ask the Samaritan women for a drink of water if they are not going to be saved?

 

[Aunty Jane]

These are about national Israel. I will not tempt God.

Numbers 24
“Blessed is he who blesses you,
And cursed is he who curses you.”

Romans 11:25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

When you see the big picture, you will understand why God chose the descendants of Abraham to be “a people for special possession” in the first place.

Did he choose those who became “the nation of Israel”, (descendants of Jacob) because they were any more righteous or obedient than the people of other nations at that time? Their history shows that they disobeyed their God time and again, only to receive his punishment, which resulted in their repentance....but it never lasted long. They kept forgetting the lessons of the past and were therefore doomed to repeat them. Christendom needs take heed, as they too forget the lessons of the past and are doing what Israel did. (Matt 15:7-9)

God kept them in existence until his purpose in connection with them was fulfilled...that of producing his promised Messiah, and out of deference to his “friend” Abraham, he gave natural Israel first option to become the “kingdom of priests and a holy nation” that he promised.....but as prophesied, only a small “remnant” would be saved. That small remnant formed the foundations of God’s heavenly Kingdom. They would be promised the “kings and priests” who would be part of the “first resurrection” (Rev 20:5)

After Israel rejected their Messiah, God cast them off and they became part of the world alienated from the true God...the world ruled by Satan, whom Jesus said was their “father the devil”.

They have not had God’s blessing since that time because of their continued stubborn disobedience.....there will be no last minute repentance because that is not the kind God is looking for. Like a forced confession, it does not come from a truly repentant heart...it would come out of a need to survive. Does God want worshippers like that? Those who come to him under sufferance?

God owes natural Israel nothing. He blessed those who came out of that captivity, released them from the Law, based on Christ’s sacrifice, (a law that condemned them every day because they could never keep it) and brought them into “the Kingdom of the Son of his love”.

Spiritual Israel (Gal 6:16) replaced the natural Jews as “God’s people” and these are the disciples of Jesus Christ, some of whom were chosen (elected) by God for rulership and priestly duties in the heavenly Kingdom. (Rev 20:6)
These will rule over redeemed mankind for 1000 years, bringing the human race back into the sinless perfection that was taken from them back in Eden. Freed from the sin that separated them from their Creator, Jesus hands the reins back to his God to continue his original purpose for us here on this earth.
What Jehovah starts...he finishes. (Isa 55:11)

The OT Scripture you quote pertains to old Israel....”the Israel of God” are made up of people of all nations. (Acts 10:34-35) God does not judge people nationally......he judges them individually as those he desires to be part of his Kingdom, either as one of its rulers, or as a subject of the best government human beings have ever had.

Then why did Jesus ask the Samaritan women for a drink of water if they are not going to be saved?

Jesus knew that people of the nations would be saved....but first opportunity was given to Abraham’s descendants...Jesus was sent only to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel”.....but others were to follow...

 

[1stCenturyLady]

a quick question . have you heard those phrases i wrote in your church .
cause if you have , you better run and take some with you .
Its been infiltrated . Now as far as ISRAEL is concerned . How often Did GOD accept their sin .
NEVER . in other words the flesh dont mean squat IF THE HEART is not after GOD .
SO why did i bring that up .
CAUSE if israel is NOT OF CHRIST , THEN ITS NOT OF TRUE ISRAEL . NOR wll GOD accept them .
IN other words , lets lose the p olitics and return to the heavenly and start preaching JESUS to all that has breath .
Do be encouraged .

God does not accept their sin, anymore than God accepts anyone's sin. Jesus came to save sinners.

Have you been on Iran's side ever since October 7, 2023? They came and took Jewish babies and put them in ovens alive while they made the parents watch!

 

[Rockerduck]

Then why did Jesus ask the Samaritan women for a drink of water if they are not going to be saved?

Jesus told His disciples to preach to Samaria too. My point was, during Apostle Paul's day, Jews avoided Samaria, even taking the long way around, to avoid Samaria because they were not full Jews, but a mixed race, just like Israel is today. God was not happy with the northern Israel and got rid of them. Judah was the southern part before the exile. After the return, it was Judea, in Paul's day.

1 Kings 9:7 -then I will cut off Israel from the land which I have given them, and the house which I have consecrated for My name, I will cast out of My sight. So, Israel will become a proverb and a byword among all peoples.

 

[Aunty Jane]

God does not accept their sin, anymore than God accepts anyone's sin. Jesus came to save sinners.

Jesus came to save repentant sinners.....that is the difference. No heartfelt repentance means no forgiveness...and thus no salvation. (Acts 3:19)

 

[soberxp]

Would you thank the devil . Of course not . SO never thank one for evil actions .
As far as china and the rest of the nations are concerned .
I would pull every man , woman and child , IF I COULD out of any thing ecumeincal
anything tied into nationaslims of any country , AND darn sure out of the WORLD we are one junk .
May i sug gest
we all make a fast return to the bible for to learn for ourselves . ITS JESUS preaching time .THE REAL ONE too .
Cause this world has long tanked and worse so has much of christendom .
Dont think any nations church is be tter than any others either . THEY ALL TANKING .
all are buying more and more into the ecumenical movement .

Apart from Jesus Christ, can't humans rely on their own standards to find the truth? It's not necessary to expect all the truth, but some parts of it can still be achieved.


Because the enemy did the opposite of what Jesus Christ had said, it was the enemy's enemy who chose exactly the things that were in line with what Jesus Christ had said. Therefore, thanking the enemy is my only thought.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Apart from Jesus Christ, can't humans rely on their own standards to find the truth? It's not necessary to expect all the truth, but some parts of it can still be achieved.

We are created with a conscience...that small inner voice that tells us instinctively when something is wrong with either our own conduct or that of others that we observe.

Paul speaks of this conscience as either accusing us or condemning us....
Rom 2:14-15...
“For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15  They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused.”

So we can rely to an extent on our conscience, but for Christians, only if it is well trained according to God’s word. This is to please God, rather than ourselves......For those who have been raised in a non-spiritual environment, sometimes children are taught to go against their conscience in order to please someone else....one who has authority over them. Patriotism can become the ‘religion’ that they sacrifice themselves for, justifying conduct that God condemns.

Because the enemy did the opposite of what Jesus Christ had said, it was the enemy's enemy who chose exactly the things that were in line with what Jesus Christ had said. Therefore, thanking the enemy is my only thought.

Not quite sure about this bit....can you explain further? Why are you thanking the enemy?

 

[amigo de christo]

God does not accept their sin, anymore than God accepts anyone's sin. Jesus came to save sinners.

Have you been on Iran's side ever since October 7, 2023? They came and took Jewish babies and put them in ovens alive while they made the parents watch!

yall bought the hook line and sinker .
I had to read what you wrote twice to believe you said it .
I thought no way , No way has first century lady bought it . But ya did .
Wanna know how i know .
Your response . What part of what i wrote
above that said Not all Israel is of ISRAEL
and the fact i pointed to JESUS and the heavenly
EQUATES to making me a supporter of IRAN . my goodness you all are more into this isreal , peace of the ecumenical harlot
THAN ever i dared to think .
I still dont want to believe it . Not first century lady , i keep telling myself , surely not her .
BUT BOY was i wrong .
You all act like anyone who dont BOW to earthern ISRAEL and GET JESUS OUT of the way , IS some kind of hater .
NEVER did i think i would see the repsonse you gave From you .
OH i am used to it from the dark queens realm of nar and politics .
But first century lady , surely i t hought to myself , not her . but boy was i wrong .
YOU ALL about TO HEED THE PEACE SOLUTION for ISRAEL .
AND BOY do i got bad news about that one , ITS OF ANTI CHRIST . oh sister
please tell me i am wrong and that you have not bought into it .

 

[amigo de christo]

God does not accept their sin, anymore than God accepts anyone's sin. Jesus came to save sinners.

Have you been on Iran's side ever since October 7, 2023? They came and took Jewish babies and put them in ovens alive while they made the parents watch!

I am still clinging on to the hope that perhaps you thought i was a liberal that supported Iran so its why you said as you said .
I keep thinking NO WAY , NO WAY can that have come from the mind and finger tips of first century lady .
SO you gonna have to allow me a few questions now . cause i am heavily wo rried and concerned right now for you .
Are you clinging as a school girl to the TRUMP n vance train , to the nar realm train .
OH DEAR tell me you are not . TELL me you are not of the many ON BOTH SIDES
who are looking for a savoir , a solution to this war in the middle east , To a peace plan .
IF SO , YOU GOING DOWN the WRONG ROAD . GET OFF IT NOW . And dont look back .
tHE SOLUTION WILL BE OF ANTI CHRIST
even now many anti christs have been pumping the interfaith interretligious ecumenical solution
as also the dig ital one is coming in too . DONT BUY IT . DO NOT BUY INTO IT .
LET us return to the gospel preaching , let us preach the heavenly kingdom
DO NOT GO down this road . Forever will it dominate you and lead you to perdition as it will all others on it .
TO the lie of anti christ to the solution of the beast and its digital system .

 

[amigo de christo]

God does not accept their sin, anymore than God accepts anyone's sin. Jesus came to save sinners.

Have you been on Iran's side ever since October 7, 2023? They came and took Jewish babies and put them in ovens alive while they made the parents watch!

well you started out good . with the GOD does not accept their sin , anymore than GOD accepts anyone
and that JESUS came to save sinners . YOU HAD THAT RIGHT .
but the latter part put a fear into m y soul for you . I was like NO WAY she has bought the bait
of the ecumeincial whore and her interfaith for peace solutoin .
Oh i sure hope my wishful thinking is correct and you have not bought into the nar led trump n vance
erika kirk train of whom paul white sits queen . CAUSE IF YOU HAVE , YOU BOUGHT A LIE .
But dont go b uying into the other sides anti christ mess either . NEVER support a progressive liberal either .
TIME WE GET OUTTA ALL POLITICS and have no hope in men , in govts or etc
HOPE IN GOD , GET DUG IN THE BIBLE and let us preach JESUS .

 

[soberxp]

Not quite sure about this bit....can you explain further? Why are you thanking the enemy?

Because when something done by an enemy is discovered by the enemy's enemy to be a mortal weakness, so analyzing and solving problems from the perspective of the enemy naturally takes the path declared by Jesus Christ.Just as Jesus Christ said, "Love your enemies." I think this is one of the reasons why God allows his enemies to exist.
We may learning something good from the enemy.

In Chinese Taoist philosophy, this situation is referred to as "things will reverse when they reach the extreme."

 

[1stCenturyLady]

yall bought the hook line and sinker .
I had to read what you wrote twice to believe you said it .
I thought no way , No way has first century lady bought it . But ya did .
Wanna know how i know .
Your response . What part of what i wrote
above that said Not all Israel is of ISRAEL
and the fact i pointed to JESUS and the heavenly
EQUATES to making me a supporter of IRAN . my goodness you all are more into this isreal , peace of the ecumenical harlot
THAN ever i dared to think .
I still dont want to believe it . Not first century lady , i keep telling myself , surely not her .
BUT BOY was i wrong .
You all act like anyone who dont BOW to earthern ISRAEL and GET JESUS OUT of the way , IS some kind of hater .
NEVER did i think i would see the repsonse you gave From you .
OH i am used to it from the dark queens realm of nar and politics .
But first century lady , surely i t hought to myself , not her . but boy was i wrong .
YOU ALL about TO HEED THE PEACE SOLUTION for ISRAEL .
AND BOY do i got bad news about that one , ITS OF ANTI CHRIST . oh sister
please tell me i am wrong and that you have not bought into it .

In this war between Iran and Israel whose side are you on? I'm 100% on the side of Israel, and am very proud of Donald Trump as our President, and wish he could be in office forever.

Any Israelite that does not believe in Jesus is damned. But God has never turned His back on Israel. The prophecies regarding Israel are still coming to pass. In 1948 they became a nation once again after thousands of years. And Jerusalem became its capital in the 6-Day War in 1967. Do you deny that God's hand was on these events? There are still prophecies regarding national Israel that are still future. Do you deny that God will perform them? The partial blindness on Israel will be removed. Do you believe that or not and national Israel will believe in Jesus as their Messiah as prophesied and be saved?