Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[GodsGrace]

Stop your fibbing, once again. You actually began this drive that I arrested. See your post 1893

Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

Greetings again Justified, That's fine, we can leave it at that, but that does not mean he wasn't already the Son of God. I do not know any Bible passage that states this. The Bible teaches that Jesus was the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection. I suggest the first two of these are...

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You said....about your God the Son
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"ONLY BEGOTTEN in theology means UNIQUE.

It does not mean that God had only one baby.

God the Son was NEVER created.
He always existed.


You don't really have to understand this...
but you do have to accept it.

Or, you shouldn't call yourself a Christian."
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Your credibility has been shot some time ago. You have nothing really constructive to contribute that makes much sense if you have not noticed, lately.

I have nothing futher to say to you.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here iv gone back and this is what you posted. You said this, don't deny it because it just makes you look like a liar.
And to make it worse your telling people not to call themselves Christians simply for not understanding you. Your not the Pope. You don't decide who is Christian and who is not. Anyway i don't really care if you label me one or not, your opinion means nothing to me

I REALLY have noting further to say to you.

I'm not here for YOU SAID I SAID.
or
to be called a liar.

 

[GodsGrace]

"There is only one Christian religion" you say. What world are you living in? There are many Christian denominations, thousands apparently, and they all have differences in beliefs and understandings. You seem to be the one making up your own religion or at least enforcing yours upon others. All I'm saying is that I don't understand some things. And I'm not going to just blindly accept what I don't understand simply because you say so, that's just crazy.

I'd like you to show me exactly where the term "trinity" is used in the bible. Be honest, if its not there then admit it, no excuses. Cos I can't see it therefore I don't understand why its a thing I the first place.

Armour

When you're a little bit more intelligent
I MIGHT have a convrsation with you.

Right now...it's impossible and I don't have a lot of time.

The WORD TRINITY IN THE BIBLE is a preetty lame statement.
That's all I'll say.
Learn some history.

 

[JustMe]

Scripture says Christ existed prior to creation and later took human form. John 1:1, Colossians 1:16, Philippians 2:6-11. The Father-Son relationship thus existed prior to Creation.

That's what you say, and it not in scripture at all if you can bring yourself to the truth. Where in John 1:1 is the Son of God spoken about, for example. nowhere, and you know it.

 

[Lambano]

I agree that Jesus was not fully understood.
But, as you said, it was worked out and it explains this man Jesus very well.

My point was that we don't know if the ECFs or the Apostles themselves would have agreed with three hyperstases, one ousia, or whether they would have agreed with Sabellius or Arius or treated the Son as a subordinate God to the Father or as separate-but-equal Gods or what have you. Let's not claim more than what they actually wrote.

 

[Lambano]

That's what you say, and it not in scripture at all if you can bring yourself to the truth. Where in John 1:1 is the Son of God spoken about, for example. nowhere, and you know it.

In particular, I am thinking of Philippians 2:6 and Colossians 1:15-17, which affirm both the pre-existence of Christ before Creation and the relationship to God the Father.

 

[JustMe]

In particular, I am thinking of Philippians 2:1 and Colossians 1:15-17, which affirm both the pre-existence of Christ before Creation and the relationship to God the Father.

(Php 2:1) The Mental Attitude of Christ to be Our Example

"Therefore, if there is any encouragement in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions,"

Pre-existence in Phil 2:1 aye. not really, try again.

and in Col 1:15:17...really, pre-existence? Not at all

(Col 1:15) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. (no pre-existence here)

(Col 1:16) For in/through him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things have been created on account of him and for him. (no pre-existence here)

(Col 1:17) And he is superior to all things, and in him all things consist. (definitely no pre-existence here)

(Col 1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; so that in all things he might have the pre-eminence. (no pre-existence here)

Only the Father God is the creator of all and his Son given authority and power to add to his Father's creation, especially for the Body of Christ.

Being the first born from the dead is who he, of the NEW creation as in verse 15, Yeshua is indeed, and that came about when his Father God raised him up after his Son was dead for 3 days. Remember that God the Father causes Genesis of physical things and now caused the new creation of new spirits of men in Christ.

 

[GodsGrace]

My point was that we don't know if the ECFs or the Apostles themselves would have agreed with three hyperstases, one ousia, or whether they would have agreed with Sabellius or Arius or treated the Son as a subordinate God to the Father or as separate-but-equal Gods or what have you.

I didn't catch all you said Lambano.
In a hurry...must leave soon.

I do agree with you that the trinity had to be refined and explained and that there were different opinons as to HOW.

My point in posting the ECFs was that they all considered Jesus to be GOD...
then how we want to parse that out/explain it is a different topic.

Have a good day.

 

[GodsGrace]

My point was that we don't know if the ECFs or the Apostles themselves would have agreed with three hyperstases, one ousia, or whether they would have agreed with Sabellius or Arius or treated the Son as a subordinate God to the Father or as separate-but-equal Gods or what have you. Let's not claim more than what they actually wrote.

Not Arius,,,for sure.

 

[Lambano]

Pre-existence in Phil 2:1 aye. not really, try again.

Sorry; typo. It should read Philippians 2:6. I corrected it.

 

[Lambano]

(Col 1:16) For in/through him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things have been created on account of him and for him. (no pre-existence here)

Here's the NASB:

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation: 16 for by (literally "in") Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

"Through", that dia in 16b, posits instrumentality in Creation, which requires existence prior to Creation. And the pro ("before") in verse 17 can mean either priority in time or priority in status.

 

[Armour of God]

Armour

When you're a little bit more intelligent
I MIGHT have a convrsation with you.

Right now...it's impossible and I don't have a lot of time.

The WORD TRINITY IN THE BIBLE is a preetty lame statement.
That's all I'll say.
Learn some history.

You've already lost the argument and exposed yourself to be dishonest by not admitting what you said.

The term "trinity" is not in the bible as you very well know and it's your reaction that is very lame, not admitting the fact.

I know enough history to know that the term "trinity" came about centuries after the death of Christ. Telling people their not Christian for not understanding that is a joke. You don't have that authority.

God bless

 

[Armour of God]

ONLY BEGOTTEN in theology means UNIQUE.

It does not mean that God had only one baby.

God the Son was NEVER created.
He always existed.


You don't really have to understand this...
but you do have to accept it.

Or, you shouldn't call yourself a Christian.

Your the one who said to go back and read what you said. Well here it is, word for word, and now your denying it.
Telling people their not Christian if they don't understand your beliefs, pfft. Pretending like there is only one Christian denomination which you are the authority of, apfft, please.
Having a conversation with dishonest people cannot be fruitful.

God bless

 

[GodsGrace]

Your the one who said to go back and read what you said. Well here it is, word for word, and now your denying it.
Having a conversation with dishonest people cannot be fruitful.

God bless

I'm a VERY dishonest person Armour.

You should keep VERY FAR away from me.

 

[GodsGrace]

You've already lost the argument

Yeah.

We're here to win arguments.

§What a GREAT REASON to be here!!!!

and exposed yourself to be dishonest by not admitting what you said.

The term "trinity" is not in the bible as you very well know and it's your reaction that is very lame, not admitting the fact.

I know enough history to know that the term "trinity" came about centuries after the death of Christ. Telling people their not Christian for not understanding that is a joke. You don't have that authority.

God bless

 

[Armour of God]

I'm a VERY dishonest person Armour.

You should keep VERY FAR away from me.

When a person denies what they said it makes them dishonest.

 

[Armour of God]

Yeah.

We're here to win arguments.

§What a GREAT REASON to be here!!!!

Aren't you making an argument. Or are you just here to shame people by calling them non-Christians and lame. That's very rude.

What church are you from anyway?
Catholic?
My parents are Catholic. Their very authoritarian as well. "You must follow this even if you don't understand or else your not a child of God".
Eh, I still love em but

 

[Armour of God]

@GodsGrace

Look, look, look. I'll tell you what I don't understand about the trinity if you promise to stop the personal attacks. No more rude name calling like saying im not a christian or calling me lame. And I'll do the same including not calling you a liar.

Deal?

 

[Lambano]

Not Arius,,,for sure.

Oh? Why do you say that?

 

[GodsGrace]

Oh? Why do you say that?

Isn't Arius the person who taught Arianism??
I do believe so.

He taught that Jesus is a man.