Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

[amigo de christo]

Yes if you believe and are baptized into the body of Christ

Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe;

very good my friend .
As you can see we have us some folks who sure seem to forget the words of HE WHO IS THE SAVOIR of the world .
Cause as we both see , HE made it real clear
that to be saved ONE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM .
Ye shall die in your sins , for if you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE
then You SHALL die in your sins .
This savoir of the whole world sure had words to say that many often will omit for the sake
of another gospel and etc .
Me thinks he dont realize this at all .

 

[amigo de christo]

I dont know why all the verses were removed, but maybe they didnt like this verse.....................[Mark 16:18 KJV] "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.".......These signs couldn't be produced like tongues can be mimicked

oh dear we got us a cessationist in the house .
Not good .
However miracles sure can be done by counterfiet ones .
AS we see in the days of MOSES
and as we are warned of often in the new testament too .
And he DECIEVED THEM by the means of those MIRACLES which he had power to DO in the sight of the beast .
Its DOCTRINE , TRUTH . if one cometh doing miracles and prophesying of dreams and etc
AND yet that ones doctrine is bad , HEED IT N OT .
too many get caught up on signs and wonders and have no love for the TRUTH .
But b eleive me that dont mean the gifts have ceased in the church , EITHER .
IT DO mean FLEE the charasmetic nar realm . cause i seen their doctrine , and ITS BAD NEWS for all who sit and gather under it .
And always remember that GOD would not have one barking like a dog
and running around playing the clown . SEEMINGLY , NOT UNSEEMINGLY .
So the key is YOU gots to always examine their fruit and their doctrine . cause we g ot or i should say we have
MANY false ones leading this people .

 

[amigo de christo]

The "add-on" to the Gospel of Mark refers to
the "Longer Ending" (Mark 16:9–20), widely considered by scholars to be a 2nd-century addition rather than part of the original text. It was likely added to provide a more satisfactory conclusion, as the original text ends abruptly at 16:8 with the empty tomb and fearful silence.

you b ought the common modern lie of the scholars .
If you would have known
if only
you had known the Truth and had loved the truth .
You had done exactly what i was led to do .
WHEN i first read this in mark chapter sixteen and read foot notes
that said this was not in the original
I KNEW it was a lie . AND i also immediately checked out other places
that had spoken similiar truths
THEY TOO had foot notes saying THIS was not in earliest manuscripts
THOUGH they , not knowing the power of GOD or scrips
COULD not locate all places it had been spoken .
OF THE ABSOLUTE DIRE NEED TO bELIEVE ON JESUS OR bE DAMNED .
They didnt know enough bible to erase that .
THEY only knew enough bible to MAKE THEM DANGEROUS .
Just like you epi . You know only enough to make you dangerous
but far from kwowing the simple truth that could have saved .
SO may i i suggest you , STOP TRUSTING SCHOLARS
and Get thine rump back into bible for yourself with a childlike humble mind that simply BELEIVES .

 

[Rotsen777]

Yes I am old and remember Did he take up serpents?

No, they didn’t pick up snakes, but they were the poisonous drinks that led them to genocide.

 

[Rotsen777]

you b ought the common modern lie of the scholars .
If you would have known
if only
you had known the Truth and had loved the truth .
You had done exactly what i was led to do .
WHEN i first read this in mark chapter sixteen and read foot notes
that said this was not in the original
I KNEW it was a lie . AND i also immediately checked out other places
that had spoken similiar truths
THEY TOO had foot notes saying THIS was not in earliest manuscripts
THOUGH they , not knowing the power of GOD or scrips
COULD not locate all places it had been spoken .
OF THE ABSOLUTE DIRE NEED TO bELIEVE ON JESUS OR bE DAMNED .
They didnt know enough bible to erase that .
THEY only knew enough bible to MAKE THEM DANGEROUS .
Just like you epi . You know only enough to make you dangerous
but far from kwowing the simple truth that could have saved .
SO may i i suggest you , STOP TRUSTING SCHOLARS
and Get thine rump back into bible for yourself with a childlike humble mind that simply BELEIVES .

How did you arrive at the truth; who led you to the truth? And how sure are you that you’re holding on to the truth?

 

[Episkopos]

you b ought the common modern lie of the scholars .
If you would have known
if only
you had known the Truth and had loved the truth .
You had done exactly what i was led to do .
WHEN i first read this in mark chapter sixteen and read foot notes
that said this was not in the original
I KNEW it was a lie . AND i also immediately checked out other places
that had spoken similiar truths
THEY TOO had foot notes saying THIS was not in earliest manuscripts
THOUGH they , not knowing the power of GOD or scrips
COULD not locate all places it had been spoken .
OF THE ABSOLUTE DIRE NEED TO bELIEVE ON JESUS OR bE DAMNED .
They didnt know enough bible to erase that .
THEY only knew enough bible to MAKE THEM DANGEROUS .
Just like you epi . You know only enough to make you dangerous
but far from kwowing the simple truth that could have saved .
SO may i i suggest you , STOP TRUSTING SCHOLARS
and Get thine rump back into bible for yourself with a childlike humble mind that simply BELEIVES .

How naive can one get? You put your trust in religious clerics who blatantly add to the word...and have no other source for a particular bent than what was added in

If you had a real faith and understanding you would not put all your faith in one verse that was added in at a later time...there would be plenty of evidence elsewhere in the bible. Simple minded believers you say? Real believers are called to search the scriptures PLURAL... not swallow a lie from a verse added in...singular.

If you read the bible you would see that it is by the mouth of 2 or three witnesses that something is established. And I discount what is obviously a clerical addition to the text.

However, if you WANT to believe a fiction...go ahead.

 

[Rotsen777]

Real believers are called to search the scriptures PLURAL... not swallow a lie from a verse added in...singular.

Could you point us to where, in the bible, we can read your phrase, ‘real believers are called to search the scriptures?’ For what purpose were they called to search the scriptures?

 

[Episkopos]

Could you point us to where, in the bible, we can read your phrase, ‘real believers are called to search the scriptures?’ For what purpose were they called to search the scriptures?

Jesus said that out of the mouth of 2 or three witnesses everything is established. It is wise to go to more than one author of the bible to get a clear picture of any given detail concerning God's ways. The people who put Paul over Jesus in order to ignore Jesus are acting foolishly....according to Paul.

And Paul praised the Bereans who searched the OT scriptures to check out for themselves what is written....so unlike the modern approach of trying to control what people think and believe.

 

[amigo de christo]

No, they didn’t pick up snakes, but they were the poisonous drinks that led them to genocide.

and beleive me when i say , THEY DID NOT KNOW GOD .
And anyone who willfully picks up snakes to so called test their faith
TEMPTS GOD .
Paul did not pick up the seperpent on purpose to test his faith
He picked up wood and the snake had b een in that wood and bit him .
Satan even tried to trick JESUS
by using scriptures to imply it was okay FOR JESUS TO JUMP off the cliff .
But JESUS was not decieved and knew that would have been TO TEMPT the LORD thy God .
so these so called snake charmers , YEAH they know not what they do .

 

[amigo de christo]

How did you arrive at the truth; who led you to the truth? And how sure are you that you’re holding on to the truth?

GOD .
GOD .
The last question is a simple one too . COMPARE all you think you know
against what is sim ply written in scripture . NOW if it contradicts other areas , START OVER its us who were wrong .
ALL who are of the T RUTH come to me . OH i know many can cliam and often do claim
they hear his voice . Wanna know how simple it is
to know whether they do or dont . IF what comes out of their flapping lips or what they write
Agrees with scrip , AMEN , IF N OT , DONT HEED A WORD ONE outta such lips or writings .
BIBLE time in the house my friend . cause we got real clever ones at work who have done naught but twist
scrips and have done so unto their own , and all who sit under them , DESTRUCTION . either we love truth or we love a lie .
LET GOD BE TRUE BUT EVERY MAN A LIAR . AND GOD IS TRUTH HIS EVERY WORD IS TRUTH
as are the scriptures TRUTH . GOD inspired lovely words that sadly most t wist and omit .

 

[amigo de christo]

How naive can one get? You put your trust in religious clerics who blatantly add to the word...and have no other source for a particular bent than what was added in

If you had a real faith and understanding you would not put all your faith in one verse that was added in at a later time...there would be plenty of evidence elsewhere in the bible. Simple minded believers you say? Real believers are called to search the scriptures PLURAL... not swallow a lie from a verse added in...singular.

If you read the bible you would see that it is by the mouth of 2 or three witnesses that something is established. And I discount what is obviously a clerical addition to the text.

However, if you WANT to believe a fiction...go ahead.

you do what you cliam i do .
You trust in them wise scholars .
Didnt you know that while its true that by the mouth of two or three witnesses it is established .
Beware cause there are many witnesses that cliam their muslim religoin is true
there are many atheists that can claim what they say is true
And there are many scholars in christainity that can LIE AS WELL . WE GOTS FALSE ONES all over the place .
You bought a lie .
And as usual , if satan cannot convince one to come out of the bible
well he will surely convince them that not all in that bible was ORGINALLY in said bible .
OH but he is a liar . In fact he can even t wist and omit scrips . as can his many co workers
of which many of them are also wearing wool .
So repeat after me .
Islam is of anti christ , buddism and any other religoin is of the dark one .
AND THE ONLY WAY one can be saved IS BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
AND if one cliams to have FAITH IN JESUS and yet dead evil works do follow them , THEY LIE and know him not .
Open BIBLE
Begin afresh in BIBLE
and start learning for YOU and real quickly too . very dangerous r oad you have been a walking on my friend . VERY deadly one indeed .

 

[Rotsen777]

Jesus said that out of the mouth of 2 or three witnesses everything is established. It is wise to go to more than one author of the bible to get a clear picture of any given detail concerning God's ways. The people who put Paul over Jesus in order to ignore Jesus are acting foolishly....according to Paul.

And Paul praised the Bereans who searched the OT scriptures to check out for themselves what is written....so unlike the modern approach of trying to control what people think and believe.

What specifically are you trying to point out in your post?

 

[Rotsen777]

and beleive me when i say , THEY DID NOT KNOW GOD .
And anyone who willfully picks up snakes to so called test their faith
TEMPTS GOD .
Paul did not pick up the seperpent on purpose to test his faith
He picked up wood and the snake had b een in that wood and bit him .
Satan even tried to trick JESUS
by using scriptures to imply it was okay FOR JESUS TO JUMP off the cliff .
But JESUS was not decieved and knew that would have been TO TEMPT the LORD thy God .
so these so called snake charmers , YEAH they know not what they do .

Do you know God?

 

[Lizbeth]

How naive can one get? You put your trust in religious clerics who blatantly add to the word...and have no other source for a particular bent than what was added in

If you had a real faith and understanding you would not put all your faith in one verse that was added in at a later time...there would be plenty of evidence elsewhere in the bible. Simple minded believers you say? Real believers are called to search the scriptures PLURAL... not swallow a lie from a verse added in...singular.

If you read the bible you would see that it is by the mouth of 2 or three witnesses that something is established. And I discount what is obviously a clerical addition to the text.

However, if you WANT to believe a fiction...go ahead.

Those verses in Mark agree with other scriptures......

Jhn 3:18

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned (krino - damned) already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jhn 3:36

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


2Th 2:10

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that PERISH; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned (krino) who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Lizbeth]

you do what you cliam i do .
You trust in them wise scholars .
Didnt you know that while its true that by the mouth of two or three witnesses it is established .
Beware cause there are many witnesses that cliam their muslim religoin is true
there are many atheists that can claim what they say is true
And there are many scholars in christainity that can LIE AS WELL . WE GOTS FALSE ONES all over the place .
You bought a lie .
And as usual , if satan cannot convince one to come out of the bible
well he will surely convince them that not all in that bible was ORGINALLY in said bible .
OH but he is a liar . In fact he can even t wist and omit scrips . as can his many co workers
of which many of them are also wearing wool .
So repeat after me .
Islam is of anti christ , buddism and any other religoin is of the dark one .
AND THE ONLY WAY one can be saved IS BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
AND if one cliams to have FAITH IN JESUS and yet dead evil works do follow them , THEY LIE and know him not .
Open BIBLE
Begin afresh in BIBLE
and start learning for YOU and real quickly too . very dangerous r oad you have been a walking on my friend . VERY deadly one indeed .

The bible wasn't written for the learned, it was written for everyday people who may understand by the light of God. Some things are hard to be understood, but I don't find the foundational things are hard to understand for those who know Christ and have His Spirit within.....that is all the milk of the word. The gospel is good news to the poor, not good news to elite intellectuals and wise of this world.

 

[Episkopos]

Those verses in Mark agree with other scriptures......

Let's look at them....

Jhn 3:18

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned (krino - damned) already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

To a religious person it would seem that Jesus only accepts those who know His name. This is used hypocritically to condemn all non-believers. And that very shallow viewpoint is seen as reasonable by...very shallow people. And it is dead wrong. The context is Israel...God's people. Not the world at large. All the warnings in the bible concern God's people. And believers in Christ, if they are truly believers, are now God's people. So the warning is extended from Israel in the flesh...to the upwardly called Israel in the Spirit.

Jesus came to Israel and was rejected. So the condemnation is on the original people of God. If you pay attention you will see the same condemnation coming on the Gentile people who also become God's people, but are no better than the original ones. Jesus called people to follow Him and most church-goers only follow themselves and whatever preacher tickles theirs ears with religious nonsense. God therefore selects a REMNANT from both Judah AND Ephraim. VERY few indeed. The ones who quibble over verses to justify themselves and condemn others are obviously NOT in the remnant.

Jhn 3:36

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

He that believes INTO the Son has everlasting life and walks exactly as Jesus did...without any spot or wrinkle of sin. Why? Because a person who abides in Christ walks in resurrection life.

So you are trying to interpret a spiritually powerful statement as a carnal religious person...again, seeking to make a person's beliefs seem to have more value than there is. The condemnation of the modern decoy believers is that they have lowered God's standard of holiness, to make it accessible to sinful people, and made it filthy through their iniquity...and then condemn the righteous whom God loves, seeking to DISPLACE the righteous rather than exalting the truth in God's holy walk in Christ...which none have the faith for.

John is SPIRITUAL ...unlike most of his readers. Stop with the partisan religiosity. God is NOT religious. The devil is. So a perfect decoy is made by reducing an eternal walk into something that merely needs to be accepted...and this for the purpose of self-justification.

2Th 2:10

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that PERISH; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

This warning is directly for the modern church. I find very few people today have any love for the truth. Case in point...just read your own posts and the posts of many here. They all love unrighteousness.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned (krino) who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Again...more condemnation against modern decoy religion that negates the power of the gospel that brings resurrection life and a complete victory over sin...by abiding in God's holy presence perpetually.

 

[Episkopos]

The bible wasn't written for the learned, it was written for everyday people who may understand by the light of God. Some things are hard to be understood, but I don't find the foundational things are hard to understand for those who know Christ and have His Spirit within.....that is all the milk of the word. The gospel is good news to the poor, not good news to elite intellectuals and wise of this world.

...and not good news for the religiously affiliated self-seekers. Jesus condemned the Pharisees in His time...and the modern decoy believers are no different.

A Pharisee is a pretender, an exaggerator, a decoy to the real thing. And this is encouraged in the modern religious system in order to have worldly success and fill the pews. But this does not fill heaven. It fills outer darkness.

 

[amigo de christo]

...and not good news for the religiously affiliated self-seekers. Jesus condemned the Pharisees in His time...and the modern decoy believers are no different.

A Pharisee is a pretender, an exaggerator, a decoy to the real thing. And this is encouraged in the modern religious system in order to have worldly success and fill the pews. But this does not fill heaven. It fills outer darkness.

yes , a pharisee puts the cart before the horse and acts like he can pull it .
Sound familar do it epi .
As for me i am sticking to WITHOUT CHRIST i can do nothing . Only by faith IN HIM .
Wanna put the horse back in front of the cart epi and let go of YA EGO .
Lets put the BELEIF back ON CHRIST AGAIN .

 

[amigo de christo]

The bible wasn't written for the learned, it was written for everyday people who may understand by the light of God. Some things are hard to be understood, but I don't find the foundational things are hard to understand for those who know Christ and have His Spirit within.....that is all the milk of the word. The gospel is good news to the poor, not good news to elite intellectuals and wise of this world.

The god of ego and rebellion wants you seated under it .
WE shall not heed his voice or the voice of any other who speaks contrary to GOD sister .
But there is one here who desires to have you seated under him . I been watching him sister .
Either at one t ime you must have listened to him and left , or something . BUT he wants you SEATED under him sister
and he gonna work , and work , and work and work and work and work and work on ya TILL he has you seated
once again under him . Epi desires followers sisters .

 

[amigo de christo]

The bible wasn't written for the learned, it was written for everyday people who may understand by the light of God. Some things are hard to be understood, but I don't find the foundational things are hard to understand for those who know Christ and have His Spirit within.....that is all the milk of the word. The gospel is good news to the poor, not good news to elite intellectuals and wise of this world.

any man who puts the cart before the horse , is a man That none should d ared to have followed .
There is such a man at work amongst us sister .
The sim ple TRUTH , The dire necessity preached by Christ and the apos tels ,
HAS BEEN omitted by such a man . As he has cried to all
HE who says YE must BELEIVE , Is f ull of eg o and religious dogma .
SUMTHING
and no i did not misspell that
As in the sum of what this one brings HAS DENIED the DIRE NECESSITY of BELEIF , of FAITH IN CHRIST
and behaves as though any one can just pick up that ol cross without FAITH IN HE who was first CRUCIFIED UPON IT .
I SEEN this man for years sister . And for years he has had serious serious deadly error .
SO though he can speak tr uths , please understand THE TRUTH ITSELF is far far from him .
AS FOR ME
I CLAIM BODLY i can DO NOTHING WITHOUT CHRIST but fail
and THAT ALL MUST ABSOLUTELY BELEIVE ON HIM
and that for those WHO DO , IT IS HE who worketh in them and through them .
Carts dont pull horses and men dont put horses into carts and try and pull such carts .
But obviously not all KNOW THAT .