The Prophetic Feasts of Israel

[Trekson]

The Prophetic Feasts of Israel

Fifteen hundred years before the birth of the Messiah. The seven feasts foretold, in type, the major redemptive works of His life. The four spring feasts relate to His first coming . His death was depicted in Passover. That His body would not decay in the grave is seen in Unleavened Bread. His resurrection is illustrated in First Fruits and the commencement of the church and the new covenant is typified in the Feast of Weeks. The three fall feasts portray events to be associated with His Second Coming. The Feast of Trumpets depicts the rapture of the church. The Day of Atonement points to a large number of Jews who will be saved just before he returns. The Feast of Tabernacles speaks of the day when the Messiah Himself will tabernacle among men and usher in the millennium.

I will give a brief overview of the first four spring feasts which were fulfilled in the earthly life of the Messiah and go into more detail with the three fall feasts which depict specific events related to His Second Coming and form the basis of the "Blessed Hope"and relate to Bible prophecy.

1. Passover - This is the foundational feast. The other six are built on it. It begins on Nisan 14, the start of the Jewish "religious" new year. The dates on our calendar do not directly correspond with their calendar so the actual date they fall on, in March/April of our calendar changes from year to year. This feast began just before the Jews began their 40 year Exodus journey through the wilderness after their escape from Israel when they were told to cover their doorposts with lamb‘s blood so the angel of death would not take their first born son as he did the Egyptians. This is aka Redemption.

2. The Feast of Unleavened Bread - proclaims that Messiah’s physical body would not experience the ravages of death within the grave. It is on the 15th of Nisan. This is aka Sanctification.

3. The Feast of First Fruits - typifies that Jesus was the First Fruit of Resurrection. This event occurs on the 16th of Nisan.

4. The Feast of Weeks - comes 50 days after First Fruits on Sivan 6 and is aka Pentecost. In the sacrifices, two loaves were offered, one for the Jews and one for the Gentiles. This feast symbolizes the Origination of the Coming of the Holy Spirit.

5. The Feast of Trumpets - aka Rosh Hashanah or "Head of the Year". This holiday is celebrated on the 1st & 2nd of Tishri, the religious 7th month and the first month of their "civil" new year. It is celebrated just prior to Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. The interval between the last of the spring feasts - Pentecost and the first of the fall feasts - Trumpets corresponds to this present age. Pentecost began the Church age and Trumpets, which will signal the Messiah‘s Second Coming will end it. This is the last "trump" spoken of in 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thess. 4:16, not the seventh trumpet judgment in Revelations.

The blowing of the trumpet in ancient Israel had three primary functions. The first was to call a solemn assembly, the second, when Israel under Divine direction was to go to war and the third was at the coronation of a new king. There are two major themes associated with The Day of the Lord. The first is deliverance of the righteous and the second is the judgment of the wicked. In connection with His Second Coming, Jesus will first call His own to Himself, the Rapture, and then will go to war against His enemies, concluding with His Coronation as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, on Earth.

This date corresponds on our calendar to sometime between mid- September and early October. It is also known as Israel‘s "Dark Day". It is the only feast that occurs at the new moon when the primary night light of the heavens is darkened. Amos 5:18-20, Zeph. 1:14-16. As the new moon is darkened so will the heavens be divinely darkened at the future Day of the Lord. Joel 2:31, 3:15 and Rev. 6:12-17. God’s wrath will be on both the world and satan;s wrath will be against Israel which will lead to Israel’s salvation on the National Day of Atonement, the 6th feast. At the "last trump", the Lord Himself will blow the trumpet, Zech. 9:14 and not an angel as depicted in Revelations. This last time that God blows the trumpet will signal the rapture and the beginning of the Day of the Lord’s wrath upon the earth. 1Cor. 15:51-52 and 1 Thess. 4:16-17.

6. Yom Kippur - The Day of Atonement, arrives on the 10th day of Tishri, the 7th month. On a future day, this feast will see its fulfillment as prophesied in Zech. 12:10, "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son." They will be the ⅓ of Zech. 13:8-9. After that Zech.14:9 tells us that, "The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord and his name the only name." This is also depicted in Rom. 11:26, "And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The deliverer will come from Zion; and he will turn godlessness away from Jacob."

7. The Feast of Tabernacles - aka Sukkot: This is the most joyous and festive of all Israel‘s feasts. It is the most prominent and is mentioned more in scripture than any other. It occurs on the 15th day of Tishri, the 7th month. It lasts seven days and is a reminder of God‘s provision during their 40 year wilderness journey. It is also known as The Feast of Ingathering and is after the fall harvest. It corresponds on our calendar to late September/early October. The day after, the 8th day is a Sabbath. This feast depicts the Harvest of His people. Mal. 4:1-2, Is. 27:12-13, 11:11-12 and Jer. 23:7-8. That He will tabernacle with them is foretold in Ez. 37:27-28 and Rev.21:3. I believe this is also a picture of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Another holiday that isn‘t in scripture but may have significance in the future is Hanukkah, which is on the 25th day of Kislev, the 9th month and is 75 days after Yom Kippur. While this is held in remembrance of the time in the Maccabean period when one days worth of oil lasted for eight days in the temple, it could also come to symbolize the time when Jesus will become the Light of the World as stated in Rev.21:23, "The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp."

*some excerpts taken from, "The Feasts of Israel" by Marv Rosenthal

 

[Zao is life]

The Prophetic Feasts of Israel

Fifteen hundred years before the birth of the Messiah. The seven feasts foretold, in type, the major redemptive works of His life. The four spring feasts relate to His first coming . His death was depicted in Passover. That His body would not decay in the grave is seen in Unleavened Bread. His resurrection is illustrated in First Fruits and the commencement of the church and the new covenant is typified in the Feast of Weeks. The three fall feasts portray events to be associated with His Second Coming.

The Feast of Trumpets depicts the rapture of the church.

It depicted the day Christ was crucified:

"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." (John 12:31-32).

The fall feast of Trumpets may have a second fulfillment.

The Day of Atonement points to a large number of Jews who will be saved just before he returns.

Marv Rosenthal sounds like a Jewish name but he shows willful (conscious) illiterate guessing because he does not know that the day of atonement was the day on which the high priest entered the holy of holies with the blood of the sacrifice - which is a picture of Christ and was fulfilled by Christ. He also ignores Paul stating that the Jews who have been saved in the past and who are saved on an ongoing basis and will be saved, are saved by their faith in the One of whom this was written:

"As it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins." (Romans 11:26-27).

It happened nearly 2,000 years ago. There was only one atonement made. There's not going to be a second one.

The Feast of Tabernacles speaks of the day when the Messiah Himself will tabernacle among men and usher in the millennium.

It spoke of the day the Messiah was born in Bethlehem. He has been tabernacled among us - Immanuel - God with us - ever since then.

2. The Feast of Unleavened Bread - proclaims that Messiah’s physical body would not experience the ravages of death within the grave. It is on the 15th of Nisan. This is aka Sanctification.

Leaven represents sin in scripture - He was without sin. The unleavened bread represents the death for sin of the one who was without sin. He said, "Take, eat. This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of Me." (Luke 22:19).

Truth mixed with falsehood is a very bad mixture - in this case done by applying truth to some things it applies to, as well as to things it does not apply to.

 

[Marilyn C]

The Prophetic Feasts of Israel


Another holiday that isn‘t in scripture but may have significance in the future is Hanukkah, which is on the 25th day of Kislev, the 9th month and is 75 days after Yom Kippur. While this is held in remembrance of the time in the Maccabean period when one days worth of oil lasted for eight days in the temple, it could also come to symbolize the time when Jesus will become the Light of the World as stated in Rev.21:23, "The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp."

Hi Trekson,

Glad to see you interested in God`s feasts for Israel. Now Hannukah, or the feast of dedication is in God`s word.

The Feast of dedication - Hanukkah.

`Now it was the feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the Temple, in Solomon`s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (Jn 10: 22 - 24)

It is only natural that, during Hanukkah (the celebration from foreign oppression), thoughts of national deliverance would again be aroused. In the day of Jesus, Israel was looking for the ultimate deliverer, the Messiah himself, who would overthrow Roman rule.

If He were to deliver the Jewish nation, they would never fall under Gentile dominion again. He would usher in the golden age messianic age, making it possible for the Shekinah glory to return to the Temple as in the days of Solomon`s dedication of the Temple.

With this thought on their minds, a group of Jewish inquirers came to Jesus. It was Hanukkah, and Jesus was walking along Solomon`s colonnade (the pillared walkway in the Temple). He was celebrating Hanukkah in the same Temple that had been cleansed and rededicated only a few generations earlier.

These inquirers asked "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ (Messiah), tell us plainly. (Jn 10: 24) Indeed He had clearly shown that He was the Messiah and verified it with many miracles. They had rejected Him because He consistently failed to meet their messianic expectations. They were looking for a military messiah, one who was only a great human leader.

This was not the time for a new Hanukkah (overthrow of Gentile rule), for the nation was still blind in their rejection.

However, there will come a time when the Lord of glory will come to deliver Israel with His angelic army and that will be during Hanukkah. The actual date is the 29th of Kislev, the middle of Hanukkah, the festival of lights. How appropriate that the Light of the world should come then to deliver Israel from its enemies.

The Jewish calendar is not the same length as the solar so each year the solar date will change. However, the Jewish date, the 29th of Kislev is always the same. (around December)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hi Trekson,

Glad to see you interested in God`s feasts for Israel. Now Hannukah, or the feast of dedication is in God`s word.

The Feast of dedication - Hanukkah.

`Now it was the feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the Temple, in Solomon`s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (Jn 10: 22 - 24)

It is only natural that, during Hanukkah (the celebration from foreign oppression), thoughts of national deliverance would again be aroused. In the day of Jesus, Israel was looking for the ultimate deliverer, the Messiah himself, who would overthrow Roman rule.

If He were to deliver the Jewish nation, they would never fall under Gentile dominion again. He would usher in the golden age messianic age, making it possible for the Shekinah glory to return to the Temple as in the days of Solomon`s dedication of the Temple.

With this thought on their minds, a group of Jewish inquirers came to Jesus. It was Hanukkah, and Jesus was walking along Solomon`s colonnade (the pillared walkway in the Temple). He was celebrating Hanukkah in the same Temple that had been cleansed and rededicated only a few generations earlier.

These inquirers asked "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ (Messiah), tell us plainly. (Jn 10: 24) Indeed He had clearly shown that He was the Messiah and verified it with many miracles. They had rejected Him because He consistently failed to meet their messianic expectations. They were looking for a military messiah, one who was only a great human leader.

This was not the time for a new Hanukkah (overthrow of Gentile rule), for the nation was still blind in their rejection.

However, there will come a time when the Lord of glory will come to deliver Israel with His angelic army and that will be during Hanukkah. The actual date is the 29th of Kislev, the middle of Hanukkah, the festival of lights. How appropriate that the Light of the world should come then to deliver Israel from its enemies.

The Jewish calendar is not the same length as the solar so each year the solar date will change. However, the Jewish date, the 29th of Kislev is always the same. (around December)

Do you really think that Jesus will come to deliver unbelieving Jews from their enemies, keeping in mind that He called unbelieving Jews like the scribes and Pharisees hypocrites and a brood of vipers who were headed for hell (Matthew 23)? Scripture teaches that Jesus is coming to take vengeance on unbelievers, not deliver them from their enemies. All believing Jews and Gentiles will be caught up to meet Christ in the air when He comes and He will take vengeance on everyone else in Israel and every other nation.

 

[Marilyn C]

Do you really think that Jesus will come to deliver unbelieving Jews from their enemies, keeping in mind that He called unbelieving Jews like the scribes and Pharisees hypocrites and a brood of vipers who were headed for hell (Matthew 23)? Scripture teaches that Jesus is coming to take vengeance on unbelievers, not deliver them from their enemies. All believing Jews and Gentiles will be caught up to meet Christ in the air when He comes and He will take vengeance on everyone else in Israel and every other nation.

`In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem...It shall be in that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a first-born. ` Zech. 12: 8 - 10)

 

[The Light]

The Prophetic Feasts of Israel

The Feast of Trumpets depicts the rapture of the church.

No sir. The barley harvest that is celebrated on Pentecost will be the rapture of the dead in Christ.

The alive that remain will likely be raptured on the Feast of New Wine or Tu B'Av. The Church is raptured in the summer.

The fall feast of Trumpets is for the rapture of the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth which will occur at the 6th seal at the Last Trump.

The Day of Atonement points to a large number of Jews who will be saved just before he returns.

I think the Day of Atonement will be much different than most think. I think it will take place on the last year of the 7 years.

1. Passover - This is the foundational feast. The other six are built on it. It begins on Nisan 14, the start of the Jewish "religious" new year. The dates on our calendar do not directly correspond with their calendar so the actual date they fall on, in March/April of our calendar changes from year to year. This feast began just before the Jews began their 40 year Exodus journey through the wilderness after their escape from Israel when they were told to cover their doorposts with lamb‘s blood so the angel of death would not take their first born son as he did the Egyptians. This is aka Redemption.

2. The Feast of Unleavened Bread - proclaims that Messiah’s physical body would not experience the ravages of death within the grave. It is on the 15th of Nisan. This is aka Sanctification.

3. The Feast of First Fruits - typifies that Jesus was the First Fruit of Resurrection. This event occurs on the 16th of Nisan.

Ok

4. The Feast of Weeks - comes 50 days after First Fruits on Sivan 6 and is aka Pentecost. In the sacrifices, two loaves were offered, one for the Jews and one for the Gentiles. This feast symbolizes the Origination of the Coming of the Holy Spirit.

I have a different view. The two loaves represent the dead in Christ and the alive that remain. The dead in Christ should be raptured on Pentecost the spring barley harvest.

The alive of the Church that remain will be raptured in the summer likely on the Feast of New Wine or Tu B'Av

As for the Holy Spirit I think the Church received the Holy Spirit on the Feast of New Wine and not Pentecost as commonly thought.

Acts 2
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

5. The Feast of Trumpets - aka Rosh Hashanah or "Head of the Year". This holiday is celebrated on the 1st & 2nd of Tishri, the religious 7th month and the first month of their "civil" new year. It is celebrated just prior to Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. The interval between the last of the spring feasts - Pentecost and the first of the fall feasts - Trumpets corresponds to this present age. Pentecost began the Church age and Trumpets, which will signal the Messiah‘s Second Coming will end it. This is the last "trump" spoken of in 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thess. 4:16, not the seventh trumpet judgment in Revelations.

The Feast of Trumpets is when the second coming occurs AT THE 6TH SEAL. This is the Jewish harvest of which 144,000 were first fruits.

Then the 7th seal is opened and the ONE YEAR wrath of God begins.

This last time that God blows the trumpet will signal the rapture and the beginning of the Day of the Lord’s wrath upon the earth. 1Cor. 15:51-52 and 1 Thess. 4:16-17.

The trump of God or voice of God occurs at the rapture of the Church. 1 Thes 4

The last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets and is when the 12 tribes across the earth are raptured at the 6th seal. 1 Cor 15

Another holiday that isn‘t in scripture but may have significance in the future is Hanukkah, which is on the 25th day of Kislev, the 9th month and is 75 days after Yom Kippur. While this is held in remembrance of the time in the Maccabean period when one days worth of oil lasted for eight days in the temple, it could also come to symbolize the time when Jesus will become the Light of the World as stated in Rev.21:23, "The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp."

*some excerpts taken from, "The Feasts of Israel" by Marv Rosenthal

Not many on this forum understand what the feasts represent. Thanks for posting this.

 

[Trekson]

It depicted the day Christ was crucified:

"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." (John 12:31-32).

The fall feast of Trumpets may have a second fulfillment.



Marv Rosenthal sounds like a Jewish name but he shows willful (conscious) illiterate guessing because he does not know that the day of atonement was the day on which the high priest entered the holy of holies with the blood of the sacrifice - which is a picture of Christ and was fulfilled by Christ. He also ignores Paul stating that the Jews who have been saved in the past and who are saved on an ongoing basis and will be saved, are saved by their faith in the One of whom this was written:

"As it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins." (Romans 11:26-27).

It happened nearly 2,000 years ago. There was only one atonement made. There's not going to be a second one.



It spoke of the day the Messiah was born in Bethlehem. He has been tabernacled among us - Immanuel - God with us - ever since then.



Leaven represents sin in scripture - He was without sin. The unleavened bread represents the death for sin of the one who was without sin. He said, "Take, eat. This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of Me." (Luke 22:19).

Truth mixed with falsehood is a very bad mixture - in this case done by applying truth to some things it applies to, as well as to things it does not apply to.

All seven feasts are celebrated annually but only the first four were fulfilled as types of his first advent. The three fall feasts are about the 2nd advent and Israel still celebrates them today. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel. One doesn't have to believe in them for the reality to be true.

 

[Trekson]

Hi Trekson,

Glad to see you interested in God`s feasts for Israel. Now Hannukah, or the feast of dedication is in God`s word.

The Feast of dedication - Hanukkah.

`Now it was the feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the Temple, in Solomon`s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (Jn 10: 22 - 24)

It is only natural that, during Hanukkah (the celebration from foreign oppression), thoughts of national deliverance would again be aroused. In the day of Jesus, Israel was looking for the ultimate deliverer, the Messiah himself, who would overthrow Roman rule.

If He were to deliver the Jewish nation, they would never fall under Gentile dominion again. He would usher in the golden age messianic age, making it possible for the Shekinah glory to return to the Temple as in the days of Solomon`s dedication of the Temple.

With this thought on their minds, a group of Jewish inquirers came to Jesus. It was Hanukkah, and Jesus was walking along Solomon`s colonnade (the pillared walkway in the Temple). He was celebrating Hanukkah in the same Temple that had been cleansed and rededicated only a few generations earlier.

These inquirers asked "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ (Messiah), tell us plainly. (Jn 10: 24) Indeed He had clearly shown that He was the Messiah and verified it with many miracles. They had rejected Him because He consistently failed to meet their messianic expectations. They were looking for a military messiah, one who was only a great human leader.

This was not the time for a new Hanukkah (overthrow of Gentile rule), for the nation was still blind in their rejection.

However, there will come a time when the Lord of glory will come to deliver Israel with His angelic army and that will be during Hanukkah. The actual date is the 29th of Kislev, the middle of Hanukkah, the festival of lights. How appropriate that the Light of the world should come then to deliver Israel from its enemies.

The Jewish calendar is not the same length as the solar so each year the solar date will change. However, the Jewish date, the 29th of Kislev is always the same. (around December)

Ummm, Hanukkah is "not" "a celebration from foreign oppression". It celebrates the fact that Israel had enough oil to light the temple for "one" day but God made it last 'eight" days. That's why it is also known as the 'festival of lights".

 

[Trekson]

No sir. The barley harvest that is celebrated on Pentecost will be the rapture of the dead in Christ.

The alive that remain will likely be raptured on the Feast of New Wine or Tu B'Av. The Church is raptured in the summer.

The fall feast of Trumpets is for the rapture of the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth which will occur at the 6th seal at the Last Trump.


I think the Day of Atonement will be much different than most think. I think it will take place on the last year of the 7 years.


Ok

I have a different view. The two loaves represent the dead in Christ and the alive that remain. The dead in Christ should be raptured on Pentecost the spring barley harvest.

The alive of the Church that remain will be raptured in the summer likely on the Feast of New Wine or Tu B'Av

As for the Holy Spirit I think the Church received the Holy Spirit on the Feast of New Wine and not Pentecost as commonly thought.

Acts 2
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:



The Feast of Trumpets is when the second coming occurs AT THE 6TH SEAL. This is the Jewish harvest of which 144,000 were first fruits.

Then the 7th seal is opened and the ONE YEAR wrath of God begins.

The trump of God or voice of God occurs at the rapture of the Church. 1 Thes 4

The last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets and is when the 12 tribes across the earth are raptured at the 6th seal. 1 Cor 15


Not many on this forum understand what the feasts represent. Thanks for posting this.

You may have your opinions but we can't define what 'we" think they should be, but how the bible actually depicts them. There is an order to them. That the four spring feasts were fulfilled at his first advent is a fact, not an opinion. Only the three fall feasts remain.

 

[The Light]

You may have your opinions but we can't define what 'we" think they should be, but how the bible actually depicts them.

I prefer facts to back my opinion.

There is an order to them. That the four spring feasts were fulfilled at his first advent is a fact, not an opinion.

Fact? I've been hearing that "spring feasts were fulfilled at His first advent" all my life. Is that a fact that the spring feasts are fulfilled? Pentecost is a spring harvest feast. Has the harvest occurred? Have the dead in Christ risen? Have the alive that remain been caught up?

I believe that the gun has been jumped regarding the fulfillment of the spring and summer feasts.

Only the three fall feasts remain.

Is that fact? Has the fullness of the Gentiles come in.

Those fall feasts are for the 12 tribes. You THINK the rapture of the Church will happen on the Feast of Trumpets. I KNOW that is incorrect based on Biblical FACT.

After the rapture of the Church in the summer, what will the Jews say?

Jeremiah 8
20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

The Feast of Trumpets is a fall HARVEST feast. The fathers of Israel were seen as the first fruits of the first harvest of the fig tree but the Jews went to Baalpeor. The Jews will not be the first harvest, the Gentiles will be. The fig tree has two harvests so there are two raptures. Israel is found as wild grapes so they will be harvested in the fall fruit harvest.

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

These are Biblical FACTS.

 

[Marilyn C]

Ummm, Hanukkah is "not" "a celebration from foreign oppression". It celebrates the fact that Israel had enough oil to light the temple for "one" day but God made it last 'eight" days. That's why it is also known as the 'festival of lights".

Yes, part of it, however, it celebrates the rededication of the Temple to the Lord after it was desecrated by the Gentiles. The Hanukkah story preserves the epic struggle and the heroic exploits of one of the greatest Jewish victories of all time - the independence from Greco-Syrian oppression in 165 B.C.

 

[Trekson]

I prefer facts to back my opinion.


Fact? I've been hearing that "spring feasts were fulfilled at His first advent" all my life. Is that a fact that the spring feasts are fulfilled? Pentecost is a spring harvest feast. Has the harvest occurred? Have the dead in Christ risen? Have the alive that remain been caught up?

I believe that the gun has been jumped regarding the fulfillment of the spring and summer feasts.


Is that fact? Has the fullness of the Gentiles come in.

Those fall feasts are for the 12 tribes. You THINK the rapture of the Church will happen on the Feast of Trumpets. I KNOW that is incorrect based on Biblical FACT.

After the rapture of the Church in the summer, what will the Jews say?

Jeremiah 8
20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

The Feast of Trumpets is a fall HARVEST feast. The fathers of Israel were seen as the first fruits of the first harvest of the fig tree but the Jews went to Baalpeor. The Jews will not be the first harvest, the Gentiles will be. The fig tree has two harvests so there are two raptures. Israel is found as wild grapes so they will be harvested in the fall fruit harvest.

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

These are Biblical FACTS.

No, there are not two raptures but there are two gatherings. The church (combo of gentiles and jews) go to heaven, many of the OT saints will be resurrected at the beginning of the millennium, Ez. 37 and they will be gathered from amongst the nations and brought to Israel. Pentecost is still in the process of being fulfilled. It will end according to Rom. 11:25 "when the fulness of the gentiles come in". Where does it say the church will be raptured in the summer. Maybe you ought to consider when the fall feasts are fulfilled, exactly what do you think that would look like in this day and age. Remember the feasts were "types", the fulfillments will be both physical and spiritual in nature, not "exactly" the way Israel celebrated them.

 

[The Light]

No, there are not two raptures but there are two gatherings.

Could you please tell me where in the book of Revelation does the following verses occur?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Pentecost is still in the process of being fulfilled. It will end according to Rom. 11:25 "when the fulness of the gentiles come in".

Didn't you say that the spring feasts were fulfilled?

No harvest. No fulfillment.

Where does it say the church will be raptured in the summer.

First off, as I said, the Jews will say "summer is ended, the harvest is over, and we are not saved. The harvest is over because they realize that the Church is in heaven.

To further answer your question...........

Here is the spring barley harvest of the dead in Christ.

Song of Solomon

8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;

Here is the summer wheat harvest of the alive that remained.

Song of Solomon

13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

Maybe you ought to consider when the fall feasts are fulfilled, exactly what do you think that would look like in this day and age. Remember the feasts were "types", the fulfillments will be both physical and spiritual in nature, not "exactly" the way Israel celebrated them.

The seed of the woman which are the 12 tribes across the earth will be raptured on the Feast of Trumpets at the Last Trump. Then the other feasts will follow.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

`In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem...It shall be in that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a first-born. ` Zech. 12: 8 - 10)

Quoting a passage with no commentary as if I'm supposed to read your mind as to how exactly you interpret it? Really? That's not how things are supposed to work here. That passage doesn't support what you were previously saying and does not address my question. Jesus quoted Zechariah 12:10 in a first coming context, not a second coming context.

.John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

 

[Marilyn C]

Quoting a passage with no commentary as if I'm supposed to read your mind as to how exactly you interpret it? Really? That's not how things are supposed to work here. That passage doesn't support what you were previously saying and does not address my question. Jesus quoted Zechariah 12:10 in a first coming context, not a second coming context.

.John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

`In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem...It shall be in that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a first-born. ` Zech. 12: 8 - 10)

God`s word is quite plain. Jesus would defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem in the day that all the nations come against Jerusalem. And He would pour out His Spirit of grace and supplication on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

That obviously has NOT happened!!!!!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

`In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem...It shall be in that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a first-born. ` Zech. 12: 8 - 10)

God`s word is quite plain. Jesus would defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem in the day that all the nations come against Jerusalem. And He would pour out His Spirit of grace and supplication on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

That obviously has NOT happened!!!!!

You obviously don't accept Jesus's understanding of that prophecy!!!!! I showed you that He quoted Zechariah 12:10 in a first coming context and not a second coming context and you just ignore that completely!!!!!

Your carnal, hyperliteral approach to scripture prevents you from seeing what it means. Clearly, He already poured out His Spirit of grace and supplication on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem starting long ago on the day of Pentecost!!!!! But, do you take that into account? Of course not because of your doctrinal bias.

Tell me, do you think the following verse is not yet fulfilled, either?

Zechariah 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

 

[Trekson]

To The Light:
Your quote: Could you please tell me where in the book of Revelation does the following verses occur? Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

My answer: I don’t know where folks get the idea that if it’s not in Rev. then it isn’t real prophecy! Rev. is only the “last” prophecy given, the majority of prophecy is outside of Rev. and many in the OT and they are interwoven together that forms a complete narrative that none of us have actually attained yet. WE all may have a portion of the truth but none of has all the truth and if one thinks they do they are only lying to themselves and others. It doesn’t have to be in Rev. for it be a real endtime prophecy. So, Matt. 24: 29 is repeated in Rev. 6:12-14, Rev. 7:9 or Rev. 14:16 could be the result of Matt. 24:31.

Trekson said:
Pentecost is still in the process of being fulfilled. It will end according to Rom. 11:25 "when the fulness of the gentiles come in".

Didn't you say that the spring feasts were fulfilled?

Your quote: No harvest. No fulfillment.

My answer: There is no harvest associated w/ Pentecost. First, there is the harvest of firstfruits which Jesus fulfilled upon his resurrection. The Jews were to count 49 days and then the day after, (Pentecost, which means 50th day) would be celebrated. After Christ fulfilled firstfruits by his resurrection, he remained on earth, a total of 40 days, then he ascended. Exactly 10 days later, the 50th day, the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples and this fulfilled the feast of weeks, the last spring harvest. This was also the official “birth day” of the church. Even though it’s arrival fulfilled the prophecy, it is still ongoing. The purpose of Pentecost is still ongoing until Christ raptures away the perfect church.
Trekson said:
Where does it say the church will be raptured in the summer.

Your quote is a long one, I will try to reply to the highlights:
The harvest is over because they realize that the Church is in heaven.

My answer: The rapture has nothing to do w/ the spring barley harvest.
Solomon has nothing to do w/ the church, it is Israel is who is being spoken of as the wife of God.
The rapture will be associated w/ the feast of trumpets, yes, but the next two the 6th and 7th do not have to be fulfilled in the same year as the feast of trumpets. There are three main reasons that trumpets are sounded, not necessarily in order, 1: to gather an assembly of the faithful (the rapture) 2. To sound God’s battle alarm, gearing up for Armageddon and 3. The “last trump” anounces Christ’s actual coming FOR His coronation as King and messiah of the world. These events will be the fulfillment of the last three goals of Dan. 9:24
Trekson said:
Maybe you ought to consider when the fall feasts are fulfilled, exactly what do you think that would look like in this day and age. Remember the feasts were "types", the fulfillments will be both physical and spiritual in nature, not "exactly" the way Israel celebrated them.

Your quote: The seed of the woman which are the 12 tribes across the earth will be raptured on the Feast of Trumpets at the Last Trump. Then the other feasts will follow.

The woman is Israel consisting of the 12 tribes from Rev. 12:1, her “seed” is Christ-created church.

 

[Marilyn C]

You obviously don't accept Jesus's understanding of that prophecy!!!!! I showed you that He quoted Zechariah 12:10 in a first coming context and not a second coming context and you just ignore that completely!!!!!

Your carnal, hyperliteral approach to scripture prevents you from seeing what it means. Clearly, He already poured out His Spirit of grace and supplication on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem starting long ago on the day of Pentecost!!!!! But, do you take that into account? Of course not because of your doctrinal bias.

Tell me, do you think the following verse is not yet fulfilled, either?

Zechariah 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

I showed you that the context of Zech. 12: 9 & 10 was when `all nations` would seek to destroy Jerusalem. Even Luke (21: 24) tells us that that time is when the gentile times are fulfilled.

Zech. 13: 7 is when Jesus is Killed, (as you said) however, scriptures then jumps to when `it shall come to pass in all the land...` meaning when the armies of the nations come down and destroy 2/3rds of Israelis at Armageddon.

 

[Luther7]

It depicted the day Christ was crucified:

"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." (John 12:31-32).

The fall feast of Trumpets may have a second fulfillment.



Marv Rosenthal sounds like a Jewish name but he shows willful (conscious) illiterate guessing because he does not know that the day of atonement was the day on which the high priest entered the holy of holies with the blood of the sacrifice - which is a picture of Christ and was fulfilled by Christ. He also ignores Paul stating that the Jews who have been saved in the past and who are saved on an ongoing basis and will be saved, are saved by their faith in the One of whom this was written:

"As it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins." (Romans 11:26-27).

It happened nearly 2,000 years ago. There was only one atonement made. There's not going to be a second one.



It spoke of the day the Messiah was born in Bethlehem. He has been tabernacled among us - Immanuel - God with us - ever since then.



Leaven represents sin in scripture - He was without sin. The unleavened bread represents the death for sin of the one who was without sin. He said, "Take, eat. This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of Me." (Luke 22:19).

Truth mixed with falsehood is a very bad mixture - in this case done by applying truth to some things it applies to, as well as to things it does not apply to.

And I agree. This is why these Old Covenant feast days are only signs- a shadow of what is to be fulfilled in Christ Jesus.

 

[Pilgrimer]

There are a number of Biblical and historical problems with your post, but of primary concern for me is how these doctrines impact the Gospel. The outline you have shared is based on a particular eschatological view (doctrines of last things) that is very problematic for soteriology (doctrines of salvation), which to my mind are far more important for our understanding and faith in our own salvation.

My primary objection is to the idea that Jesus has not fulfilled the fall feasts, particularly the Day of Atonement. If that is true, if Jesus has not fulfilled the ministry of the High Priest of appearing in the presence of God and offering the required sacrifice to make atonement for sin, if Jesus has not fulfilled that ministry, then that effectively destroys the very foundation of the Gospel, Jesus has not yet made atonement for sin, which means our sins have not been atoned and no one ... no one has been saved.

But Paul specifically addresses Jesus' fulfillment of this Mosaic ritual in his book written to the Hebrew Christians in chapters 9 and 10, which contrasts the repetitive Levitical sacrifices with the "once for all" work of Jesus. In particular, Paul states that Jesus entered the "Greater and more perfect Tabernacle" "not made with hands" (Heaven itself) by His own blood and "offered one sacrifice for sins forever," "having obtained eternal redemption." This is the very heart and soul of the Gospel, the offering up of the body and blood of Jesus to atone for sin. This is the cornerstone of the Gospel, the foundation of the New Covenant, and the very essence of our faith. But this eschatological doctrine of postponed atonement denies that saving work Jesus has performed by which our sins are atoned and we are saved.

I realize that eschatology has become a very popular subject, particularly among Evangelical Protestants, but we must guard at all costs any doctrine that would undermine those doctrines that pertain to our salvation, and this is a very clear example of just how badly we can "miss the mark" and end up denying the very atonement of the blood of Christ by which we are saved.

The Feasts of the Mosaic economy are some of the most beautiful and compelling portraits of the Gospel of Christ, but this rush to try to make them conform to the popular theories about last things is losing sight of what are, after all, the first things.