Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Reggie Belafonte]

The truth usually lies in the average value of a balanced consensus derived from the integration of all the information.
Have you read the #268

I do not support Socialist Jews in the State or anyone who is a Socialist, period ! because they are guilty as Hell of criminal conduct !
They are all about trying to dominate over the People with deceptions and delusions !

 

[Christian Soldier]

Thank you for your attempt to correct me over my post from a position of ignorance with respect to how many ages will be played out between when Adam was created and the final judgement of mankind.

We know that there were four ages between the creation of Adam and the birth of Christ. We know that from the birth of Adam and the beginning of the third age started after the conclusion of the first two ages. We know that the time span from the birth of Isaac until the birth of Christ is two ages. We also know from Ex 20:4-6 that the visitation of the fathers' iniquities was to be visited upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth generation/age which has the same duration as a day of the lord as referenced in Hosea 6:2: - After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live before him.

Putting all of these ages together, we discover that there will be a seventh age, which pours cold water on your seemingly fickle statement: - "There is no seventh age, that's utter unbiblical rubbish."

Perhaps, you should apply this statement to your own understanding: - "Yes you are in error, and you should take your own advice and humble yourself and accept correction. You have made up a false narrative."

There are not 7 ages at all, that nonsense was made up by those who invented this thing called "Dispensationalism". That nonsense is not supported by the Bible and Ex 20:4-6 doesn't support it either.

The Bible reveals that there are only 2 ages, the present evil age (characterized by sin and death) and the age to come (the eternal kingdom ushered in by Christ). Just as there are only 2 covenants, Adam was under the "covenant of the law" and everyone after Adam is under the "covenant of grace".

God chose to save Gentiles and Israelites, in the Old Testament times. God gave them the gift of grace, and the gift of faith, and the gift of repentance. God never chose to save anyone based on their ethnicity, that's what the heretics who push dispensationalism preach and it flies in the face of the true gospel message.

We are currently living in an "overlapping" period: the age to come has already begun through Christ's resurrection, but the present age has not fully passed away.

The seven-dispensation model turns God's salvation into a series of "Plan B" reactions to human failure, whereas the Bible emphasizes a single, consistent plan of redemption from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I do not support Socialist Jews in the State or anyone who is a Socialist, period ! because they are guilty as Hell of criminal conduct !
They are all about trying to dominate over the People with deceptions and delusions !

What's the difference between a socialist Jew and a socialist Christian???, What do you have against Jews, they are the same as everybody else. There are good and bad people in every religion, antisemitism is racism and I'm sure you wouldn't want to be branded a racist now would you.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are right, the Biblehub interlinear does not say "after that", this is just my understanding. If we look at all of the events that will occur in around 20 years' time, i.e. round 2045 AD, FACT 1, God begins His gathering of Israel to Himself, after the completion of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities of worshipping idols during the fourth age of Israel's existence from the time of Isaac's birth when He will incline His ears once more towards their pleas to save them from the hardship that they will be experiencing up and until that time and FACT 2, the time of the Gentiles trampling God Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts, i.e. Israel, over a period of 2,300 years, will have come to its completion so that both of these prophecies are completed at the same time.

I have also allowed other scripture passages to also confirm my understanding such as Hosea 6:1-3 which speaks of the restoration/redemption of Israel will only begin after the end of the sixth age which ends around the year 2044 AD.

Here is the PC Study Bible's interlinear: -

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Notice that I have highlighted a number of Strong Numbers for the respective Greek words that require a deep dive into Strong's definition for the respective Greek Root word. As an example, let us consider the root word definition for just G:3779: -
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Remember in times past that many people claimed that the earth was flat and that if a boat sailed to far away from land that they would fall off the edge of the earth. Since those times most people have come to accept that earth is a sphere. This is also true for Biblical translations. We have many different translations and just because they agree in some areas of their respective translations, we cannot assume that that portion of the original text has been accurately nailed down in their interpretations. A committee of like-minded people does not mean that their understanding is more correct than that of a single person who beg to disagree.

Romans 11:25-26 is just one such example based upon the evidence given above.

charts and words and words and charts .
YOU really THINK and BELEIVE as do a child that we have TWENTY years left .
I would for sure have to say , SOMEONE has DELAYED the COMING OF CHRIST .
men always invent charts . some have e ven set d ates .
All have been found wanting . You bodly cliam and b elieve as do a child
WE have TWENTY years left .
IT AINT what the SIGNS OF THE TIMES BE SAYING . something has went wrong .

 

[amigo de christo]

There are not 7 ages at all, that nonsense was made up by those who invented this thing called "Dispensationalism". That nonsense is not supported by the Bible and Ex 20:4-6 doesn't support it either.

The Bible reveals that there are only 2 ages, the present evil age (characterized by sin and death) and the age to come (the eternal kingdom ushered in by Christ). Just as there are only 2 covenants, Adam was under the "covenant of the law" and everyone after Adam is under the "covenant of grace".

God chose to save Gentiles and Israelites, in the Old Testament times. God gave them the gift of grace, and the gift of faith, and the gift of repentance. God never chose to save anyone based on their ethnicity, that's what the heretics who push dispensationalism preach and it flies in the face of the true gospel message.

We are currently living in an "overlapping" period: the age to come has already begun through Christ's resurrection, but the present age has not fully passed away.

The seven-dispensation model turns God's salvation into a series of "Plan B" reactions to human failure, whereas the Bible emphasizes a single, consistent plan of redemption from Genesis to Revelation.

From genesis to revelation there has indeed been emphasized a single and consistent plan of redemption .
GOD was gonna be the ONE to SAVE MAN . and without the shedding of BLOOD is NO REMISSION of sins .
Its just for a time it was the blood of an imals , UNTIL the PROMISED ONE would come
whose sacrfice would be THE SACRFICE of a far better SACRIFICE than of any blood of any animal .
And it was not just the blood of a man who gave up his life . OH NO
JESUS was not just man at all . HE had only come IN THE FORM OF MAN
but was BEFORE man was and was b efore ANYTHING created was . In fact
IT IS BY HIM GOD CREATED ALL THAT WAS AND ALL THAT IS .
HE IS THE WORD OF GOD
and the word was G OD . that aint just the blood of a good man shed on that cross
For man cannot save , BUT GOD CAN . AND GOD DID .
and its about HIGH time we preach JESUS AGAIN to all that has breath . with a dire and ab solute reminder
of the dire and absolute necessity to BELIEVE ON HIM or prepare to perish .
FOR IF ONE DENYS GOD , ITS LIGHTS out on judgment day
AND IF ONE DENIES JESUS , boy oh boy , THEY DO DENY GOD . and that too is a fact .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"...nation" is people (not geography), while the OP assumes ala "State of Israel".

Nation is a people or land depending on context. As for Israel it is both the people and the land God promised them with an everlasting promise. Last time I looked- everlasting means everlasting.

 

[HealthyShape]

Nation is a people or land depending on context. As for Israel it is both the people and the land God promised them with an everlasting promise. Last time I looked- everlasting means everlasting.

What happened to the everlasting promise since 70 AD to 1948?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What happened to the everlasting promise since 70 AD to 1948?

It was still their land. but if you read the OT carefully, you would see that god said He would scatter Israel for their unbelief (as He did several times in the OT) and then bring them back in the latter days! Tot he Land He promised them.

 

[HealthyShape]

It was still their land. but if you read the OT carefully, you would see that god said He would scatter Israel for their unbelief (as He did several times in the OT) and then bring them back in the latter days! Tot he Land He promised them.

They do not believe. So?

 

[amigo de christo]

What happened to the everlasting promise since 70 AD to 1948?

What folks seem to have quickly forgotten , or perhaps never knew ,
due to the serious lack of reading the bible or the twisting of what little scrips they do know .
While the land was promised to them . HOW come at least t hree times
THEY got booted out .
AND , and this is a huge and
NOW IN JESUS CHRIST the earthen is not the temple nor etc to be sought
NOR will it remain . THE HEAVENLY WILL REMAIN .
AND GUESS who we gots to believe in , TO BE IN THAT KINGDOM . IF ya SAID JESUS , YOU SPOT ON RIGHT .
people think just cause a jew was born a jew that automatically made GOD pleased with them .
BUT This has never been the case . OH GOD lo ved . no doubt about it .
BUT HE has only been ever pleased
With those whose faith was as was THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM . ABRAHAM I KNOW BELEIVED GOD
and thus of course he obeyed HIM .
And now for the biggest reminder to this generation .
IF ONE BELEIVES NOT IN JESUS THE CHRIST , THE MESSIAH
THEN THEY DO NOT BELEIVE THE TESTIMONY OF GOD , THEY DO NOT BELIEVE GOD .
and this did not DO ABRAHAM .
IN other words , NO JESUS AND ITS ALL VAIN . the jew can wail as loud as can gentile
and this will be SEEN ON JESUS DAY . But unto all , whether jew or gentile
WHOSE FAITH WAS AND IS IN HIM , PARADISE awaits . SEE how simple I KEPT IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

They do not believe. So?

So .
THIS DID NOT DO ABRAHAM . ABRAHAM beleived GOD .
yet many christains today , and we should know all false religoins , as well as many jews
DO NOT BELIEVE GOD . THEY gonna wail as never before ON THE DAY OF THE GREAT JESUS THE CHRIST
who they all DENIED .
DENY JESUS , YOU DO DENY GOD . and i dont care how much that angers this sold out ecumeincal whore l oving
generation . NONE can silence my mouth . ITS JESUS I POINT TOO and ITS HE ALONE i shall continue to point too .
NO MATTER the cost . whe ther i live or die , whether i sufffer for it , ITS HE ALONE that gets p ointed to
ON MY WATCH .
and Lets do a favor for ourselves and others , REMEMBER JESUS aint the minsitir of sin EITHER
so he dont hold rainbows and honor any other sin either .
OH you looking at a hated man my friend . But why i am hated . FOR MY LOVE
is why i am hated . Many have the love of the world upon them and yet THINK its the LOVE OF GOD .
I hope this encouraged you . BIBLE TIME IN the HOUSE .

 

[Jay Ross]

There are not 7 ages at all, that nonsense was made up by those who invented this thing called "Dispensationalism". That nonsense is not supported by the Bible and Ex 20:4-6 doesn't support it either.

The Bible reveals that there are only 2 ages, the present evil age (characterized by sin and death) and the age to come (the eternal kingdom ushered in by Christ). Just as there are only 2 covenants, Adam was under the "covenant of the law" and everyone after Adam is under the "covenant of grace".

God chose to save Gentiles and Israelites, in the Old Testament times. God gave them the gift of grace, and the gift of faith, and the gift of repentance. God never chose to save anyone based on their ethnicity, that's what the heretics who push dispensationalism preach and it flies in the face of the true gospel message.

We are currently living in an "overlapping" period: the age to come has already begun through Christ's resurrection, but the present age has not fully passed away.

The seven-dispensation model turns God's salvation into a series of "Plan B" reactions to human failure, whereas the Bible emphasizes a single, consistent plan of redemption from Genesis to Revelation.

What your rebuttal consists of is a number of your opinions, which may have some substance and logic, however this is the first time that I have read of this particular understanding.

The ages I was presenting was the Seven Ages of the overarching age from the creation of Adam up to the time of the final judgement of mankind.

Perhaps if you provided the scriptures to your POV then we may all be able to come to some level of acceptance about what you have posted above.

 

[Jay Ross]

charts and words and words and charts .
YOU really THINK and BELEIVE as do a child that we have TWENTY years left .
I would for sure, have to say, SOMEONE has DELAYED the COMING OF CHRIST.
men always invent charts. some have even set dates .
All have been found wanting . You bodily claim and believe as does a child
WE have TWENTY years left.
IT AINT what the SIGNS OF THE TIMES BE SAYING. something has went wrong.

Oh Amigo, your comprehension of what I had written has missed what I had posted. My post did not point to when Christ's Second Coming would occur, but rather to the time when Isaiah 24:21-22, i.e. Armageddon would happen and when God would begin gathering the nation of Israel once more to Himself.

It is my view that Christ's Second Coming will occur around 1,040 years from now. My Chronology of the Bible is that it will be around the year 3068/3069AD.

Please note that I am acknowledging that my suggested time span has some error attached to its calculation and is not precisely determined.

It is my hope that in the distant future, the descendant generation will have their hands in the air worshipping God and Jesus at this time and will not have fallen away.

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh Amigo, your comprehension of what I had written has missed what I had posted. My post did not point to when Christ's Second Coming would occur, but rather to the time when Isaiah 24:21-22, i.e. Armageddon would happen and when God would begin gathering the nation of Israel once more to Himself.

It is my view that Christ's Second Coming will occur around 1,040 years from now. My Chronology of the Bible is that it will be around the year 3068/3069AD.

Please note that I am acknowledging that my suggested time span has some error attached to its calculation and is not precisely determined.

It is my hope that in the distant future, the descendant generation will have their hands in the air worshipping God and Jesus at this time and will not have fallen away.

that my friend is even scarier than i thought . L ets abandon all them charts and etc and get back into the bible real quickly my
friend .

 

[Button]

Countless Christians ignore scriptures they dislike, such as the following scriptures from the Book of Amos wherein God himself clearly states that he will resurrect Israel and that it will "NEVER AGAIN BE UPROOTED". And yes, God is talking about THE LAND known as Israel! Nevertheless, the Christian hatred of Israel is so great that many Christians are openly in rebellion and opposition to God and to his plan.

Amos 9:14-15
"I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant them on their land, AND THEY SHALL NEVER AGAIN BE UPROOTED out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

I think you make a huge overstep in your premise when you imply all Christians hate Israel ,while some are openly hostile in expressing the fact. " the Christian hatred of Israel is so great that many Christians are openly in rebellion and opposition to God and to his plan."

In truth Christians cannot hate Israel or Jews.

However,there are those who identify as Christian and do hate them.
These are not actually holy Spirit indwelt Grace filled and saved Christ followers.

They are white supremacists who will claim to be Christian. They are antisemites,who claim to be Christian.

They are nothing to us. And they have no relationship whatsoever with Jesus.
Jesus does not know them.

God will bless those who bless Israel. And curse those who curse Israel.

Their hatred and contempt for Israel is short lived. Their regret,shall be eternal.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

What's the difference between a socialist Jew and a socialist Christian???, What do you have against Jews, they are the same as everybody else. There are good and bad people in every religion, antisemitism is racism and I'm sure you wouldn't want to be branded a racist now would you.

Socialist are the problem regardless who they are in fact !

The Socialist Jews in the State of Israel are who let them Terrorist in to kill Jews in fact ! and all that they have done is support only evil from that day on, is to Support the Terrorist in fact !

Not to mention the only real problem in the USA is the Socialist ! Who are promoting everything that is sick and stupid, not to mention creating nothing but trouble.

The biggest Issue in Europe is the Socialist Leaders, for clearly they are against their own Nations real People !

Hitler was a Socialist ! that is a fact ! and the fact is that all Socialist intent is to Dominate over the People, They peddle nothing but Lies and deceptions and delusions.

I am a Racist and I am proud of it ! but I am not Racial Prejudice ! Get that for I can understand who and what other Race are different to others and I respect that ! and their Culture differes.

But Communism has a one size fits all Nations only ? That all people are the same and equal ? and they Idolise the lowest common dernominator as Lords over all !

Jesus came and offered people to get out of such a septic tank, of the lowest common denominator, being the Standard set in gold !

No one can be a Socialist and be a Saved Christian, because a Socialism in fact serves and has many Idols !

Socialism leads to Communism. both in fact are truly a Cancer ! brainwashing is their calling card, so as to dupe all to outright deceptions and delusions.

So one comes along such Dupes that have been indoctreinated but clearly not educated nowadays and some trewp says, Racist ! and all of the Dupes think OMG OMG !
Now what is the responce of such morons ? Anger !!! someone has just broken one of their Idolitry gods ! yet they have no idea what a Racist truly means in fact ! for they have been bombbarded with deceptions !

If one was racial prejudice ! what would I do ? I would not freek out and go into Kill mode like a Socialist moronic dupe, I may be open to the subject and ask, how well he knows what he may be talking about but I will not make threats of dictateing to such a one.
One has a right to ones own opinion ! that was what the world I grew up in was and I did not have to believe anything anyone said at all in fact.

Lets say that One may come out with some point of prejudice in regards the Jews ? I may ask what Jews he is on about etc ? but I do not try to dictate BS to anyone ! If he is wrong on the subject so be it ! but I may be able to talk, so as to make one who may listen understand some things, but I will not dictate to them !
Maybe the seed sowen, will take root far better that way than dictating to others. because that is the Christian way !

Dictating over people is a Cancer !

All subject are not only a open and shut case like Socialist and Communist Dictatorships Demand, for such as they have no Grace !

 

[Jay Ross]

that my friend is even scarier than I thought. Let's abandon all of them charts etc and get back into the bible really quickly my
friend.

Amigo, where do you believe that I have spent the last 30 or so years of my life studying. I have been reading the scriptures and have been able to understand how the End Times will unfold.

From my perspective I have 20 plus years on you and in my time frame you are but still very much a small puppy, age wise. If you have wise counsel the post it back up with scriptural evidence otherwise your rebuttal has no substance to it.

 

[RepentingChristian]

when you imply all Christians hate Israel

Stopped reading there.

 

[Button]

Stopped reading there.

But just had to say that.

You broad brushed Christians writing the slur that Christians hate Israel.
That's an attack on Christians.
When you don't like being called out,don't write ridiculous lies.

 

[Davy]

It was still their land. but if you read the OT carefully, you would see that god said He would scatter Israel for their unbelief (as He did several times in the OT) and then bring them back in the latter days! Tot he Land He promised them.

Not really in the "latter days", but He linked prophecies of the return of the children of Israel with the actual 'restoration' of the nation of Israel in the middle east WITH A KING, Lord Jesus Christ.

Matt 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:

32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
KJV


Deceived Jews in today's nation of Israel, and outside it, are pushing the lie that the restoration of Israel is already happening today. It is not. The ten LOST tribes of Israel that were scattered first are not the ones returning since 1948. It is Jews of the 3-tribe "house of Judah" that is returning, along with foreigners that converted to Judaism long ago and also call themselves Jews. The ten LOST tribes of Israel are still scattered in the nations, and do not know who they are, having lost their identity and heritage as part of Israel long ago, according to God's Purpose.