Can LGBTQ individuals be saved?

[rvmb]

What you don't seem to understand is that while yes of course, we are saved by grace thru faith in Jesus- that faith causes a regeneration to take place within the believer- a gift from God- a new creation is born- being born of the Spirit- we no longer are under the dominion of sin like we once were. Sin has lost it's power over us. Before we did as we pleased and did not care. Now we are new and made new inwardly and because we now love God because He first loved us- we want to live in a way that is pleasing to Him. We are now able to put the deeds of our sinful flesh to death by the Spirit. - we now are to walk in the Spirit. This is very real! Read and understand
Romans chapter 6-
A believer who denies that reality may want to test himself to see if he is really in the faith. Is Christ in you? have you partaken of His Spirit?
Do you still live according to your flesh? Or do you see yourself rejecting sin and you have lost the desire to sin like you once lived,,? Do you know that the Lord is helping you now? Are you aware of His presence?
Do we slip up on occasion? Yes but it is not intentional but it happens. And we feel horrible when we slip up. It is usually in thought or word. We confess it and are forgiven in the blood of Jesus- we have confidence in his sacrifice for all time-, we don't want to sin.-
We no longer walk in sin..

It is a battle of flesh v Spirit-
but we have the full armour of God. -
Ephesians 6:10-18

"Finally, be strong in the Lord and in His mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world’s darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore take up the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you will be able to stand your ground, and having done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness arrayed, and with your feet fitted with the readiness of the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Pray in the Spirit at all times, with every kind of prayer and petition. To this end, stay alert with all perseverance in your prayers for all the saints."

I hope you comprehend this post. I can't get much clearer than this. Most believers just understand since they also live it.

Saved/justified/sealed has nothing to do with believer performance.
List JUST the verses from Paul that you believe teach otherwise

 

[rvmb]

All sins can be forgiveness, only The sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.

Is LGBTQ people The sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit

""..The sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.""
Where does Christ THROUGH Paul teach that ?
Just the verses please :)

 

[PS95]

Saved/justified/sealed has nothing to do with believer performance.
List JUST the verses from Paul that you believe teach otherwise

Please try to pay better attention-
a TRUE believer is changed- a new creature. THAT causes performance. God works in us! How can you not know this? "You will know them by their fruits".
1 John 2
By this we know come to know Him- if we keep His commandments. The one who says "I have come to know Him" and does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him...

 

[Rotsen777]

""..The sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.""
Where does Christ THROUGH Paul teach that ?
Just the verses please :)

There is no such thing as ‘Christ through Paul,’ it’s only in the mind of its advocate.

 

[soberxp]

""..The sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.""
Where does Christ THROUGH Paul teach that ?
Just the verses please :)

matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

 

[rvmb]

Please try to pay better attention-
a TRUE believer is changed- a new creature. THAT causes performance. God works in us! How can you not know this? "You will know them by their fruits".
1 John 2
By this we know come to know Him- if we keep His commandments. The one who says "I have come to know Him" and does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him...

Your arguments needs John yet only Paul is our Apostle.
""Please try to pay better attention-""
Request was for JUST verses from Paul, not John & not commentary
""a new creature.""
c/- saved/justified/sealed by 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
""THAT causes performance""
List the verses FROM Paul that teach "performance is a requirement to be/remain saved/sealed/justified.

 

[rvmb]

matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Try again sober :-
Matt 12:31 is not Paul.
""..The sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.""
Where does Christ >>>>>THROUGH Paul<<<< teach that ?
Just the verses from >>>PAUL<<<< please :)

 

[PS95]

Your arguments needs John yet only Paul is our Apostle.
""Please try to pay better attention-""
Request was for JUST verses from Paul, not John & not commentary
""a new creature.""
c/- saved/justified/sealed by 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
""THAT causes performance""
List the verses FROM Paul that teach "performance is a requirement to be/remain saved/sealed/justified.

You are an "I belong to Paul"? Great- even PAUL rejected that!
You will have plenty of company on this site with the only Paul-ers..
You will also meet those who reject anything Paul wrote!
YOU ARE BOTH TERRIBLY CONFUSED!
Have you ever read the early church heresies? Several only read Paul- others only Matthew etc.. Nothing new under the sun. It is called cherry picking verses! You do Not understand Paul and select only certain parts of Paul if you can not see that there is one gospel and one truth.
You have been shown passages where Paul teaches not to sin and those who choose to live sinfully with not inherit the kingdom..
I'm not about to play your game. Been there done that. When given passages by Paul that teach you not to sin- you twist them. Instead you should be reconciling Paul with the other apostles and JESUS! They all work beautifully together. BUT you have to stop your preconceived notions and open your eyes to the whole truth.

 

[Rotsen777]

There is no such thing as ‘Christ through Paul,’ it’s only in the mi

You are an "I belong to Paul"? Great- even PAUL rejected that!
You will have plenty of company on this site with the only Paul-ers..
You will also meet those who reject anything Paul wrote!
YOU ARE BOTH TERRIBLY CONFUSED!
Have you ever read the early church heresies? Several only read Paul- others only Matthew etc.. Nothing new under the sun. It is called cherry picking verses! You do Not understand Paul and select only certain parts of Paul if you can not see that there is one gospel and one truth.
You have been shown passages where Paul teaches not to sin and those who choose to live sinfully with not inherit the kingdom..
I'm not about to play your game. Been there done that. When given passages by Paul that teach you not to sin- you twist them. Instead you should be reconciling Paul with the other apostles and JESUS! They all work beautifully together. BUT you have to stop your preconceived notions and open your eyes to the whole truth.

He is a Paulinean!

 

[TazzJazz]

No this Baptist Pastor was saying even if they stopped altogether. They cannot be saved at all. Ever.

This thinking is wrong! Once a person stops their bad practices, they can be forgiven. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

 

[rvmb]

You are an "I belong to Paul"? Great- even PAUL rejected that!
You will have plenty of company on this site with the only Paul-ers..
You will also meet those who reject anything Paul wrote!
YOU ARE BOTH TERRIBLY CONFUSED!
Have you ever read the early church heresies? Several only read Paul- others only Matthew etc.. Nothing new under the sun. It is called cherry picking verses! You do Not understand Paul and select only certain parts of Paul if you can not see that there is one gospel and one truth.
You have been shown passages where Paul teaches not to sin and those who choose to live sinfully with not inherit the kingdom..
I'm not about to play your game. Been there done that. When given passages by Paul that teach you not to sin- you twist them. Instead you should be reconciling Paul with the other apostles and JESUS! They all work beautifully together. BUT you have to stop your preconceived notions and open your eyes to the whole truth.

Hey PS >>>""Please try to pay better attention-""
Request was for JUST verses from Paul, not John & not commentary
""a new creature.""
c/- saved/justified/sealed by 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
""THAT causes performance""
List the verses FROM Paul that teach "performance is a requirement to be/remain saved/sealed/justified.

 

[rvmb]

This thinking is wrong! Once a person stops their bad practices, they can be forgiven. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

"""stops their bad practices""
and you no longer sin ?
Want to take a simple test ? :)
***
1 Cor 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified...
and how did that happen ?>>> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
List the verses FROM PAUL that teaches "stops their bad practices" is a requirement to be saved/sealed/justified

 

[TazzJazz]

""stops their bad practices""
and you no longer sin ?

Why would you say this? (Sounds as if you are upset with me).
Your statement is a straw man.

There's a BIG difference between 'practicing' bad things (as in part of one's lifestyle), and occasionally giving in to a weakness,
don't you think?

 

[stevesonthebay]

I cannot see any reason why the LGBTIQ+ community cannot be saved. Just like anyone who may be inclined to live a certain way that is contrary to Gods laws.

Part of being saved in the transformation of the mind and living in the spirit rather than the flesh.

Even sins of the flesh such as greed, lust, sloth, envy and pride. Which are putting the fleshly desires above Gods law is the same. Thats why Paul lists them together. They are identities and dispositions of the flesh rather than the spirit.

No matter what the sin or identity it is contrary to Gods spirit and being born again means we are living according to a higher state of being that is beyond the flesh and what the world believes is ournatural instincts and something good.

So eveyone who is living by the spirit is giving up something that the world thinks is good and required to be a complete human. Whether that be becoming chast, giving up material goods, money, power, prestigue ect and putting yourself, your desires last and sacrificing self for Christ.

 

[PS95]

Hey PS >>>""Please try to pay better attention-""
Request was for JUST verses from Paul, not John & not commentary
""a new creature.""
c/- saved/justified/sealed by 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
""THAT causes performance""
List the verses FROM Paul that teach "performance is a requirement to be/remain saved/sealed/justified.

Your demands are very childish and unbiblical. No comments? Baloney! and only Paul? LOL
Give me one verse from Paul that says to disregard what Jesus or the apostles taught us?
2 Timothy 3-
14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

1.If you feel that Paul taught differently than the Lord Himself - why on earth would you choose Paul- a mere man- OVER Christ?
I don't have to decide between Paul of the Lord or the apostles because they teach the same truth!!

Q for you- what is falling away? Can a person fall away from the faith or not? What IF they never return to the faith? They live a life of willful sinning denying any faith in Christ which they once claimed to hold- and die that way.
- They did not remain in the faith- did not endure til the end. and deny the Lord .. That is now unbelief.
which is called, APOSTACY.
WE MUST REMAIN IN THE FAITH-

I am fully aware that there are some who deny verse 1 Tim 2v 12 is true -by claiming that v 13 makes vs 12 false. Is that gonna be your game too? Tickling ears? That is called, scripture twisting.
v 13 means -
He cannot be unfaithful to His word that He will deny those who deny Him
He does not LIE & will not deny Himself or His own words!

2 Tim 2
10For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.

11It is a trustworthy statement:
For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;

12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

14Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. 16But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, 17and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some. 19Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”

I replied here to you only to perhaps show you truth. I am truly appalled by those who claim to Christians who deny the apostles, and Christ Himself and choose Paul as if he is better- It's absurd and not of God. They do not accept sound doctrine.- dying to sin- walking in the Spirit not the flesh-
I also take issue with those who discount Paul. Perhaps they don't grasp grace..

It's all ridiculous and clearly shows that they do not comprehend the scriptures well enough to see the harmony of the ONE gospel.

There is nothing to fear to understand that remaining in the faith matters while we live. I don't worry over it. I know that when I begin to doubt or am suffering or being tempted that when I call on Him- He helps me- stabilizes me and restores me. It is part of being in Him and abiding in Him. I wouldn't change it. It is how we learn more and more every day and become even closer to him, and grow and gain even more strength in our faith- it is a very part of His grace.
Apart from Him we can do nothing.

Some say that those persons were never truly saved. That may be so. I can tolerate that teaching. I can not tolerate the extreme view that you seem to have. A person who is born anew is changed and that should be evident,

 

[PS95]

"""stops their bad practices""
and you no longer sin ?
Want to take a simple test ? :)
***
1 Cor 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified...
and how did that happen ?>>> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
List the verses FROM PAUL that teaches "stops their bad practices" is a requirement to be saved/sealed/justified

know that you are conversing with a JW there. (tazzjazz)

 

[Jack]

"Can LGBTQ individuals be saved?"

Well yeah, unless they insist on staying LGBTQ!

 

[Aunty Jane]

"""stops their bad practices""
and you no longer sin ?
Want to take a simple test ? :)
***
1 Cor 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified...
and how did that happen ?>>> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
List the verses FROM PAUL that teaches "stops their bad practices" is a requirement to be saved/sealed/justified

How about Jesus’ words to the woman caught in adultery....”go and sin no more”....do Paul’s words counteract the words of his Master and teacher?

Does God change? What does it say in Exodus 34:6-7 ASV....
“And Jehovah passed by before him, and proclaimed, Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abundant in lovingkindness and truth; keeping lovingkindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.”

Does that sound like a licence to sin? Sin without repentance cannot be forgiven.

 

[rvmb]

Why would you say this? (Sounds as if you are upset with me).
Your statement is a straw man.

There's a BIG difference between 'practicing' bad things (as in part of one's lifestyle), and occasionally giving in to a weakness,
don't you think?

Are you claiming you no longer willfully sin ?
Want to take a simple test to find out ?

 

[rvmb]

Your demands are very childish and unbiblical. No comments? Baloney! and only Paul? LOL
Give me one verse from Paul that says to disregard what Jesus or the apostles taught us?
2 Timothy 3-
14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

1.If you feel that Paul taught differently than the Lord Himself - why on earth would you choose Paul- a mere man- OVER Christ?
I don't have to decide between Paul of the Lord or the apostles because they teach the same truth!!

Q for you- what is falling away? Can a person fall away from the faith or not? What IF they never return to the faith? They live a life of willful sinning denying any faith in Christ which they once claimed to hold- and die that way.
- They did not remain in the faith- did not endure til the end. and deny the Lord .. That is now unbelief.
which is called, APOSTACY.
WE MUST REMAIN IN THE FAITH-

I am fully aware that there are some who deny verse 1 Tim 2v 12 is true -by claiming that v 13 makes vs 12 false. Is that gonna be your game too? Tickling ears? That is called, scripture twisting.
v 13 means -
He cannot be unfaithful to His word that He will deny those who deny Him
He does not LIE & will not deny Himself or His own words!

2 Tim 2
10For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.

11It is a trustworthy statement:
For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;

12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

14Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. 16But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, 17and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some. 19Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”

I replied here to you only to perhaps show you truth. I am truly appalled by those who claim to Christians who deny the apostles, and Christ Himself and choose Paul as if he is better- It's absurd and not of God. They do not accept sound doctrine.- dying to sin- walking in the Spirit not the flesh-
I also take issue with those who discount Paul. Perhaps they don't grasp grace..

It's all ridiculous and clearly shows that they do not comprehend the scriptures well enough to see the harmony of the ONE gospel.

There is nothing to fear to understand that remaining in the faith matters while we live. I don't worry over it. I know that when I begin to doubt or am suffering or being tempted that when I call on Him- He helps me- stabilizes me and restores me. It is part of being in Him and abiding in Him. I wouldn't change it. It is how we learn more and more every day and become even closer to him, and grow and gain even more strength in our faith- it is a very part of His grace.
Apart from Him we can do nothing.

Some say that those persons were never truly saved. That may be so. I can tolerate that teaching. I can not tolerate the extreme view that you seem to have. A person who is born anew is changed and that should be evident,

The request is just for verses not opinions.
Try again :)
""THAT causes performance""
List the verses FROM Paul that teach "performance" is a requirement to be/remain saved/sealed/justified.