IS THERE ONE COMING OF THE LORD JESUS OR TWO?

[Doug]

we'll know them by their fruit.

This is for Israel in the tribulation to identify false brethren

 

[Fred J]

Here is the war,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Revelation 16:16 KJV] "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.".............here it is in Rev 19.................,[Revelation 19:14 KJV] "And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."
[Revelation 19:17 KJV] "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;"
[Revelation 19:19 KJV] "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

Fair enough 'congrats', where's the 'mount olives' you copy and paste prophetically is mentioned, that the Lord with the angels steps on?

 

[Fred J]

This is for Israel in the tribulation to identify false brethren

Nope, this is for the 'body of Christ' since from His first coming "It is finished.", there's no longer Jews or Gentiles but are 'one' with Christ.

And amongst even for us today, that we'll know 'false brethren' whether they be Jews or Gentiles, by their fruit.

 

[Doug]

Fair enough 'congrats', where's the 'mount olives' you copy and paste prophetically is mentioned, that the Lord with the angels steps on?

Congrats? I dont know about you but for me its not a debate. My intent is to expound scripture as I see it to correct error and further scriptural understanding.

Now here is the mount of Olives

[Zechariah 14:1 KJV] "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee."
[Zechariah 14:2 KJV] "For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city."
[Zechariah 14:3 KJV] "Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle."*************** Here is what the prophets say in regard to the day of the LORD***************[Joel 2:31 KJV] "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."
[Isaiah 13:10 KJV] "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."***************The day of the LORD will be recognized by these cosmic events.************[Matthew 24:29 KJV] "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
[Matthew 24:30 KJV] "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."******************The coming of the Lord Jesus Christ will occur at the end of the tribulation. His coming is the day of the LORD as evidenced by the celestial signs.*****************[Joel 3:2 KJV] "I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and [for] my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land."
[Joel 3:12 KJV] "Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about."
[Joel 3:14 KJV] "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD [is] near in the valley of decision."
[Joel 3:15 KJV] "The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."
[Revelation 16:14 KJV] "For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."
[Revelation 16:16 KJV] "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."
[Revelation 19:19 KJV] "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."
[Revelation 19:21 KJV] "And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."******************Christ's coming and the day of the LORD initiates Armageddon. The Lord Jesus Christ destroys the armies that come against Jerusalem and against Christ. ***********************[Zechariah 14:4 KJV] "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south." ********************** After defeating the armies the Lord Jesus Christ touches his feet down on the mount of Olives.

 

[Doug]

Nope, this is for the 'body of Christ' since from His first coming "It is finished.", there's no longer Jews or Gentiles but are 'one' with Christ.

And amongst even for us today, that we'll know 'false brethren' whether they be Jews or Gentiles, by their fruit.

[Matthew 7:15 KJV] "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
[Matthew 7:16 KJV] "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
[Matthew 7:17 KJV] "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." ******************Jesus is talking about false prophets that Israel has to be aware of.

 

[Fred J]

[Revelation 16:14 KJV] "For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

[Revelation 16:16 KJV] "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

[Revelation 19:19 KJV] "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

[Revelation 19:21 KJV] "And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."******************Christ's coming and the day of the LORD initiates Armageddon. The Lord Jesus Christ destroys the armies that come against Jerusalem and against Christ. ***********************[Zechariah 14:4 KJV] "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south." ********************** After defeating the armies the Lord Jesus Christ touches his feet down on the mount of Olives.

Quote from Revelation ch. 16 or 19, where it's written that after defeating the armies His feet touches down on the mount of olive.

If am not mistaken, earlier you mentioned that His feet touches down on the mount of Olive first, and then defeats the armies.

 

[Fred J]

This is for Israel in the tribulation to identify false brethren

This for the church at all time to any one by their fruit.

 

[Behold]

THere is one 2nd coming where Jesus will literally come back to the earth.
So, the 'coming" again, this "2nd coming".... has to do with "as before"....when Jesus was on earth, walking around the first time He came here.

THere is also the Rapture of the Church, where we meet the Lord in the AIR, which happens prior to the Trib.

When we read about the 'signs" of His coming, then those signs are regarding the 2nd Coming or 2nd Advent.
There are no "signs" for the Rapture, as the Rapture was a hidden Mystery" in the OT that was not revealed.
its Jesus who revealed it when He was here the first time, and Paul the Apostle who defined it for the body of Christ.

 

[Fred J]

Dear readers,

First return of the Lord from Heaven will be only in the 'clouds', to meet the 'raptured' saints in the 'air', as they'll be taken up from earth.

Second return of the Lord from Heaven will be on earth with His angels who followed Him to wage war with the kingdom of darkness.

satan from then on is bound in the bottomless pit for a thousand years.

After the thousand years, satan is loosed once again, and he goes out to deceive nations and gather their armies once again, to wage war with Israel and GOD.

And this time the fire from Heaven will proceed forth to devour them from where they stand.

Therefore if the 'Final Judgement' of the Lord on all nations is held here on earth, hence this will be His third and final return.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Doug]

Quote from Revelation ch. 16 or 19, where it's written that after defeating the armies His feet touches down on the mount of olive.

If am not mistaken, earlier you mentioned that His feet touches down on the mount of Olive first, and then defeats the armies.

Christ defeats the armies then touches down on the mount of olives
If I said the reverse it would be wrong

 

[Fred J]

Christ defeats the armies then touches down on the mount of olives

Chapter 16 & 19, does not end as above.

But 'first resurrection' and 'rapture' does end according to the scriptures.

 

[Doug]

Chapter 16 & 19, does not end as above.

But 'first resurrection' and 'rapture' does end according to the scriptures.

I dont know what you mean