Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Armour of God]

Jesus is a Jew Who will be returning to Israel and ruling from Jerusalem for 1000 years

You don't support Jesus and His homeland?

I don't know. The Jews also rejected Jesus and had him put to death. So I don't really care about them more than I care about the rest of the world. Im apathetic about it

 

[Armour of God]

Support them with your prayers, most of all.

I pray for the whole world and peace in it

 

[Behold]

I pray for the whole world and peace in it

There can't be any peace in the world until all the evil in the world is resolved, as you can't make peace with evil.
And This can't happen until 2 Thess 1:8-9 takes place.

So, you are wasting your time praying for "world peace", as it can't ever occur until the Devil is taken away, BECAUSE Christ has returned to restore peace.

What you see happening to Israel......whereby the entire world, in the last 3 yrs... has become Social Media and Worldwide media critical or hateful (toward the Jew in general and Israel specifically), is the work of the Devil.
Dont be a part of it.
Resist Him, instead.

 

[Davy]

'Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men'". A hypocrite, resorts to slander and false accusation when his evil is exposed and he has no defence.

You can duck and weave now, but you could be ushered into the presence of God at any moment, He will take His vengeance and exact eternal torment, in the lake of fire on all liars and blasphemers.

If you were as good at Bible study and actually understanding The Word of God, like you are supposed to be as a believer on my Lord Jesus Christ, then you wouldn't be as good at how you bear false witness against those who actually do... study and are given to understand God's Word.

 

[Armour of God]

There can't be any peace in the world until all the evil in the world is resolved, as you can't make peace with evil.
And This can't happen until 2 Thess 1:8-9 takes place.

So, you are wasting your time praying for "world peace", as it can't ever occur until the Devil is taken away, BECAUSE Christ has returned to restore peace.

What you see happening to Israel......whereby the entire world, in the last 3 yrs... has become Social Media and Worldwide media critical or hateful (toward the Jew in general and Israel specifically), is the work of the Devil.
Dont be a part of it.
Resist Him, instead.

Israel is just as bad as the rest if not worse. Always bombing someone. I don't care about them. It has nothing to do with me

 

[doctrox]

...Israel this and Israel that...

The enormous problem with every worldview (including “Pre” and “Post-Tribulationists)” is a rudimentary misunderstanding of the Gospel itself. Jesus Christ repeatedly stated he came to save Israel – even as other verses state God loved the entire world enough to send his Son to redeem all who will respond to his call:

“I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel…the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world” (I John 4:14).

When we say that “Israel” rejected Christ, but those who did respond became members of the so called “Church” (a word associated with a generic group of people), we make Christ’s efforts to save Israel either a failure, or at the very least, an unfulfilled promise. The truth is, as Zecharias the father of John the Baptist proclaimed, Christ redeemed Israel in every way he promised:

“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people” (Luke 1:68).

As Jesus prayed the Father, looking throughout eternity, he flatly stated he had completed the work he was given, and had lost none of those the Father gave him:

“That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none” (John 18:9).

There is no “Church” apart from Israel, and there never was. There is no “Israel” apart from Christ, and there never was.

After the cross, there is no physical Jew, and there is no physical Gentile – as EVERYTHING is delineated on a Spiritual plane. There are now Spiritual Jews (the same thing as a Spiritual Israelite), and there are Spiritual Gentiles – thus, all who are truly in Christ, who stand completely in him, with no reliance upon relationships based on flesh and blood, are the “All Israel” which is saved (Romans 11:26).

Those who claim the Jews are chosen in their flesh (whether they see themselves as members of the “Church,” or whether they profess themselves to be “Jews”) manifest the Spirit of Antichrist, for the Scriptures repeatedly show that God prophesied he was going to translate Israel into a Spiritual house (I Peter 2:5).

So called “Hebrew Roots” believers universally claim the Jews are chosen regardless of their belief (or lack thereof) in Christ – an abomination of the first magnitude. Every Rapturist (regardless of “Pre-Trib” or “Post-Trib” orientation) separates Israel from the fictional “Church” – so they are all preaching another Gospel.

When Jesus told the Disciples ”I have chosen you” (John 15:19), he defined being “chosen” as one who is Spiritually regenerated in him – regardless of their physical lineage. Thus, the “Post-Tribulationists” are teaching the same apostasy as the “Pre-Tribulationists” when they profess Israel is still chosen on a physical basis – but God is not mocked, for he has revealed the truth to those he has chosen:

“But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the LORD, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (II Thessalonians 2:3).

Ironically, the same Spiritual Stronghold which has been repeatedly detected in the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” Cult also exists in the “Post-Tribulationists” who fail to hear the voice of the LORD in this matter – and it is directly related to the Strong Delusion which everyone has heard so much about.

“But ye brethren are not in darkness…Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness…For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God” (I Thessalonians 5:4,5; Galatians 6:16).

Israel is just as bad as the rest if not worse. Always bombing someone. I don't care about them. It has nothing to do with me

Indeed.

In John 8:33, those Judeans are not Israelites. Jesus was not a Jew; Jesus was a Galilean or Nazarene.

Enter the Judeo-Christian hoax. Churches that teach the Jews are Israel are teaching satanism. Christianity and Judaism are irreconcilable opposites, enemies of each other, ppl today are completely deluded. About 90% of those who call themselves Jews are Ashkenazi Khazar Jews from Khazaria (called Ukraine today).

Those who call themselves Jews are not Israelites and never will be God's chosen people. It turns out the Ashkenazi Jews are not descendents of Ashkenaz. Gen. 10:3 shows that he had two other brothers (his brother Togarmah is actually the descendents of what we call 90% of the Jews today). They are not in the line of Jacob therefore are not Israelites.

The bible isn't about the Jews; it's about the Israelites. Those that call themselves Jews know this and are doing everything they can in their power to destroy true Israel with wars, fake pandemics, race mixing, perversions, drugs, degradation of the education system, a communist indoctrination system, and the list goes on and on. The teachings of the Talmud are perverse.

As Christians, we've been in a war ever since the crucifixion. This is a war for survival; Satan's children will rule or God's children will rule. There is no in-between. It's not just God's people Israel they wish to subjugate or destroy, but all goyim/non-Jews, including blacks, browns, yellows, all other ppl's of our world.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

There can't be any peace in the world until all the evil in the world is resolved, as you can't make peace with evil.
And This can't happen until 2 Thess 1:8-9 takes place.

So, you are wasting your time praying for "world peace", as it can't ever occur until the Devil is taken away, BECAUSE Christ has returned to restore peace.

What you see happening to Israel......whereby the entire world, in the last 3 yrs... has become Social Media and Worldwide media critical or hateful (toward the Jew in general and Israel specifically), is the work of the Devil.
Dont be a part of it.
Resist Him, instead.

In Australia we have had been forced to Idolise Jews, say from arounf 1990 on that it kicked off, so as to abuse anyone who maybe seen as anti Jewish regardless if it was or not at all the intention of someone, so one were labled and ones livelyhood destroyed, like a Nazi act, with no regards at all if such was true or falise ! because the Truth is clearly not in Them ! that's why.

It started off with a football player, who just made a comment about the old saying, beware of the Jew who comes bearing gifts ! and a commentator became a Nazi like dictating over the poor dumb player, who never ment it to be taken out of context like the commontator demanded !

So this took hold in the demands made by the Media ! and it was all Nazi type hype dictated you can not say X,Y,Z ! or else ! Nazi anyone ?

So all such was 100% anything anti Jewish was Zero Tolerance ! Until of lately The MS Media comes out with full on anti-Jewish crap 24/7 ! and what is more astounding, is the amount of people who are totaly Anti-Jewish making demands against the Jews openly ! even chanting Gas the Jews and our Socialist PM backing such total morons up ! demanding they never said that ! when clearly they did in fact !
Not to mention the Socialist Government Leader who is totaly in bed with Islam and clearly what is called Anti-Semitic ? He is a very evil spastic retard dipstick !

Now my possition I grew up with was always, People can say what ever thery want, I do not care, because that is their right to an opinion. and I have a Jewish sirname and I am not against the Jews or Christianity but hey I do have my own opinions on Christian denominations, and opinions on Jews as well. and Islam etc etc. but they are not dictated to anyone ! Like Socialist clearly demand !

But I draw the line on anyone chanting Gas the Jews in Australia, I would have them all kicked out on the spot !

So what we have seen is a 180 degree change on the Jews Here ! why So easy such a change ! That's the thing, The real problem ! but all of their crowing has always been nothing but stupid ! and a pathetic stance on everything ! right from 1990 on. nothing but Pathetic dribble ! because they are on some other wave length ? Off with the Pixies BS !
Hype of childish nonsense like a spoilt brat ! with noting but screeming tantrums ! right from the start of 1990's that have been played out for fools to swallow.

So back in the 1990's It should of been called out for childish tantrum game play ! and stoped the dictating machine in it's tracks ! and had taken a mature path ! and not taken the radical spastic loopy hype hook line and sinker !
So that people could be informed ! not dictated to demands of the change of winds blowing Socialist dribble.

So when one points out say Iran, we know who the real issue realy is in fact and not all Iran's People are the problem.
Just as not all Jews are the problem but the Socialist are the Key problem ! because they dictate a one sided only load of deceptions. Because people like that are so pathetic they can not see the big picture in fact.
The claim they can see the big picture but No ! for fools like that, clearly they can only see what, like the Nazis were peddled only to see ? a one sided part of the coin say. but they demand it's the big picture, When It's truly BS !

That's why some Socialist dipstick makes demands, that You are labled this or that ? Like being labled Homophobic, When it's clearly outright total BS !
But just because one has an opinion, that does not totaly fit in with their dictate 100% The morons can get away with Slandering all in fact !

The MS Media can get away playing any tune they please in fact, because the majority are asleep to their real ends and regards for all ! to inslave all under them !

They and their games played need to be totaly exposed !

 

[Davy]

The enormous problem with every worldview (including “Pre” and “Post-Tribulationists)” is a rudimentary misunderstanding of the Gospel itself. Jesus Christ repeatedly stated he came to save Israel – even as other verses state God loved the entire world enough to send his Son to redeem all who will respond to his call:

“I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel…the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world” (I John 4:14).

When we say that “Israel” rejected Christ, but those who did respond became members of the so called “Church” (a word associated with a generic group of people), we make Christ’s efforts to save Israel either a failure, or at the very least, an unfulfilled promise. The truth is, as Zecharias the father of John the Baptist proclaimed, Christ redeemed Israel in every way he promised:

“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people” (Luke 1:68).

As Jesus prayed the Father, looking throughout eternity, he flatly stated he had completed the work he was given, and had lost none of those the Father gave him:

“That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none” (John 18:9).

There is no “Church” apart from Israel, and there never was. There is no “Israel” apart from Christ, and there never was.

After the cross, there is no physical Jew, and there is no physical Gentile – as EVERYTHING is delineated on a Spiritual plane. There are now Spiritual Jews (the same thing as a Spiritual Israelite), and there are Spiritual Gentiles – thus, all who are truly in Christ, who stand completely in him, with no reliance upon relationships based on flesh and blood, are the “All Israel” which is saved (Romans 11:26).

Those who claim the Jews are chosen in their flesh (whether they see themselves as members of the “Church,” or whether they profess themselves to be “Jews”) manifest the Spirit of Antichrist, for the Scriptures repeatedly show that God prophesied he was going to translate Israel into a Spiritual house (I Peter 2:5).

So called “Hebrew Roots” believers universally claim the Jews are chosen regardless of their belief (or lack thereof) in Christ – an abomination of the first magnitude. Every Rapturist (regardless of “Pre-Trib” or “Post-Trib” orientation) separates Israel from the fictional “Church” – so they are all preaching another Gospel.

When Jesus told the Disciples ”I have chosen you” (John 15:19), he defined being “chosen” as one who is Spiritually regenerated in him – regardless of their physical lineage. Thus, the “Post-Tribulationists” are teaching the same apostasy as the “Pre-Tribulationists” when they profess Israel is still chosen on a physical basis – but God is not mocked, for he has revealed the truth to those he has chosen:

“But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the LORD, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (II Thessalonians 2:3).

Ironically, the same Spiritual Stronghold which has been repeatedly detected in the “Pre-Tribulation Rapture” Cult also exists in the “Post-Tribulationists” who fail to hear the voice of the LORD in this matter – and it is directly related to the Strong Delusion which everyone has heard so much about.

“But ye brethren are not in darkness…Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness…For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God” (I Thessalonians 5:4,5; Galatians 6:16).


Indeed.

In John 8:33, those Judeans are not Israelites. Jesus was not a Jew; Jesus was a Galilean or Nazarene.

Enter the Judeo-Christian hoax. Churches that teach the Jews are Israel are teaching satanism. Christianity and Judaism are irreconcilable opposites, enemies of each other, ppl today are completely deluded. About 90% of those who call themselves Jews are Ashkenazi Khazar Jews from Khazaria (called Ukraine today).

Those who call themselves Jews are not Israelites and never will be God's chosen people. It turns out the Ashkenazi Jews are not descendents of Ashkenaz. Gen. 10:3 shows that he had two other brothers (his brother Togarmah is actually the descendents of what we call 90% of the Jews today). They are not in the line of Jacob therefore are not Israelites.

The bible isn't about the Jews; it's about the Israelites. Those that call themselves Jews know this and are doing everything they can in their power to destroy true Israel with wars, fake pandemics, race mixing, perversions, drugs, degradation of the education system, a communist indoctrination system, and the list goes on and on. The teachings of the Talmud are perverse.

As Christians, we've been in a war ever since the crucifixion. This is a war for survival; Satan's children will rule or God's children will rule. There is no in-between. It's not just God's people Israel they wish to subjugate or destroy, but all goyim/non-Jews, including blacks, browns, yellows, all other ppl's of our world.

Still though, the title of Jew (Greek Ioudaois) was also used by the true Israelite seed that made up the "house of Judah" of the southern kingdom, which involved the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. Making generalizations with the word Jew is not Biblical.


Apostle Paul himself said he was a Jew (Ioudaois) of the tribe of Benjamin, so what really is the distinction with that title Jew?

Acts 22:3
3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
KJV

Rom 11:1
11 I say then, Hath God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
KJV

And the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (100 A.D.) said that title of Jew is what those who returned to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity called themselves, the strangers that returned with them also.

The distinction of that title Jew, even though it originated from the name of the tribe of Judah, it was a title used for the peoples that lived in the land of Jerusalem-Judea. It basically meant 'a Judean', and not always specifically an Israelite of the seed.

And as a Judean, that included foreigners not born of the seed of Israel that lived there, becoming Judeans, and following the required religion of the Jews which returned from Babylon, even though the crept in unawares among them had by the return brought in corruptions with their traditions of men. This still does not mean everything they taught was a corrupt doctrine, otherwise none of God's written Old Testament Word would have been read in the synagogues, or taught by the Pharisees. Also, everything Apostle Paul as a Pharisee had learned from his Hebrew scholar teacher Gamaliel would have been corrupt.

So a Jew can also simply mean someone of another country that moves to an area, and takes the name of the people that live there, like how South Vietnamese refugees that were re-located to the U.S. primarily to the states of California and Texas. Now since living there and becoming part of the communities that make up those states, they can call themselves Californians or Texans. And thus a Judean, or Jew, same idea. This is how Apostle Paul could claim to be a Hebrew born of the tribe of Benjamin and at the same time claim to be a Jew (Judean or Greek Ioudaios). It is because the tribe of Benjamin joined with the tribe of Judah at Jerusalem-Judea when God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms per 1 Kings 11. Same thing with the majority of the tribe of Levi, which later also joined with Judah and Benjamin to become Jews (Judeans).

 

[TazzJazz]

You sure are absolutely clueless and biblically illiterate. Eternal torment in the lake of fire, is the what the word "death" means in the biblical context of life and death.

You need to learn your biblical ABC's, before you spew this bile. You are already dead, God said you were born dead, but like your blind friend, neither of you has a clue that you're dead. God and learn about why God needs to quicken His elect to life???, Why would He need to make a living person alive, you're comment is foolish beyond measure.

Adam died the day he sinned, yet according to you he never died on that day but he died about 900 years after God told Him that he would die. Again, you accuse God of being a liar and you will pay for it.

There are 6 different kinds of death in the bible, yet none of them support you Satanic annihilation lie. Every time you attempt to make God a liar, you reveal how wicked and foolish you are. You just keep heaping coals of fire on your head.

Once again, you didnt answer my question. It seems your arrogance is on a par with your ignorance.

That's disappointing, my cousin. Both arrogance & ignorance can be remedied, but I doubt my prayers on your behalf in that regard would have any effect.

 

[Behold]

Israel is just as bad as the rest if not worse. Always bombing someone.

There is such a thing as protecting yourself.
If you can't understand that this is what Israel is forced to do, to survive, then your understanding of their situation, is obviously tainted by those who want you to believe that "israel just likes to bomb people".
Its also a fact that Australians and their Leadership were the first to take a stand against Israel in the world media.
Sad.

The fact is.... Israel gave Hamas and the Arabs in Gaza 20 yrs to stop bombing them and they would not stop. And the reason that Israel has now killed a lot of Hamas and other Iranian Proxies....and sadly, some innocent Arabs, is because Iran decided to send Hamas into Israel and murder 1100 + Jews, including burning Jewish babies in ovens, in their own home.......just to remind the Jews of the NAZI Holocaust. ("Shoah" in Hebrew).
So, THAT is what Israel is dealing with on their border...., and the sooner these are dead the sooner Israel gets to stop bombing.
Thats their continual reality, that is what Israel faces every moment.

See, you can't make peace with Evil, and these Islamic nutbars are truly evil.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Should we support Israel. I don't know.
They seem to be just as bad as the Islamic nations that they neighbour. Always bombing and attacking someone. Let them fight their own wars, no need to get involved.

Everyone needs to make a simple choice in this war. You are either with the terrorists or you're with us. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing to stop it.

Why is "Israel just as bad as the Islamic nations"???? I've never seen or heard of Israelis committing acts of terror, all they ever do is defend themselves from the evil Islamists.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Which “hell” do you mean?
Sheol?....Hades?....Gehenna”....”the lake of fire”...or “tartarus”?
Jesus spoke mainly of Gehenna....so perhaps a little research may educate you on what Jesus was actually talking about metaphorically.

On the contrary, I believe everything God says....I just don’t believe your twisted version of it.

Or you have no idea what you are talking about...?
God is not a liar and Christendom’s “hell” is a satanic lie.
You are obviously not a Bible student, are you...?

It will be so interesting to experience the final judgment where those who offend God will be sent to the very place to which they sentence others.....be careful. (1 Cor 10:12) You are not the judge of anyone’s destiny.

God will punish the wicked...but who are they? Who are those that are rejected by Jesus at the judgment? Who are the ones offering Jesus their excuses for why they failed the test of their Christian Faith? (Matt 7:21-23) They have no idea why Jesus tells them...”I never knew you”....

There are only two kinds of people who will be rejected on judgment day....Paul identified them in 2 Thess 1:6-10) ....there is no “hell”, just “everlasting destruction”. What more is needed?
Sadism is not one of God’s characteristics.

Oh' so now you believe in hell. Make up your mind already. I'm not going to give you an online bible class for beginners, go and find a beginners bible class in your area. You're obviously utterly clueless, since you haven't understood a single verse of scripture correctly yet.

You don't have the gift of discernment, because you are not led by the Holy Spirit, but you're of the spirit of Antichrist. Satan twist everything God has said, to make it say the opposite and deluded people like you swallow His poison, hook, line and sinker.

I'm not going to enter into a vein dispute with someone who is under Demonic delusion and has no truth in them, you're full of guile, just like your father the Devil. You're not interested in the truth, becfause you hate the truth. The Lord Jesus said "I am the truth", and you don't believe on Him.

As I already showed you, God Himself confirmed that you have the spirit of Antichrist. You offered no defence when I showed you the proof.

 

[Christian Soldier]

@Christian Soldier, I haven't been following this thread closely but I want you to consider something. Another poster asked where all this animosity is coming from and now I am asking that as well.

@Aunty Jane doesn't have main stream beliefs but what she does have is courtesy in her speech and well thought out reasons for what she believes. It is fair to say that no one on this Christian forum accuses God of being a pathological liar. So, what I pray you consider is how you come across influences how other's receive your message.

If someone claims that God is not speaking the truth, by contradicting everything He says, then I don't of any polite way to tell them that they are accusing God of being a liar. I know she's not joking, because nobody jokes about such blasphemous accusations as that.

She doesn't even believe that God punishes the wicked, so she has no fear of God because in her mind she can accuse Him of anything and get away with it.

She has no fear of God and she doesn't believe anything He says , so there's no point in trying to reason with her. She's allergic to the truth.

 

[Christian Soldier]

If you were as good at Bible study and actually understanding The Word of God, like you are supposed to be as a believer on my Lord Jesus Christ, then you wouldn't be as good at how you bear false witness against those who actually do... study and are given to understand God's Word.

You'll have to try a little harder than resorting to your usual lies, false allegations and slander. You haven't offered anything of substance, this dumpster diving of yours, only exposes you as a child of the Devil.

Gods children simply quote scripture and allow God to do the talking for us, but you can't do that because you don't know Him.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Once again, you didnt answer my question. It seems your arrogance is on a par with your ignorance.

That's disappointing, my cousin. Both arrogance & ignorance can be remedied, but I doubt my prayers on your behalf in that regard would have any effect.

I answered your dumb question a number of times, but you're still asking for a different answer because you hate the truth. I gave you the answer according to the Word of God, which is the truth. But you're unable to receive the truth because it is foolishness to you.

 

[Armour of God]

There is such a thing as protecting yourself

I believe we can defend ourselves from attacks but I see Israel often doing the attacking without provocation

 

[Armour of God]

Everyone needs to make a simple choice in this war. You are either with the terrorists or you're with us. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing to stop it.

Why is "Israel just as bad as the Islamic nations"???? I've never seen or heard of Israelis committing acts of terror, all they ever do is defend themselves from the evil Islamists.

Sure you can defend yourself from invasion and attack but I often see Israel doing the attacking without provocation, committing acts of terror themselves.
That's why I'm apathetic towards the wars in the middle east. Their as bad as each other in my opinion and I don't have much care for it

 

[Wrangler]

If someone claims

I know she's not joking,

She doesn't even

she can accuse Him of anything and get away with it.

She has no fear of God

she doesn't believe anything

She's allergic to the truth.

I don't know that any of that is true. Lot's of accusations there. Let's assume it's all true. Rest easy son; you are not her authority. Consider these verses: Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

James 4:11-12
11 Don’t speak evil against each other, dear brothers and sisters.[a] If you criticize and judge each other, then you are criticizing and judging God’s law. But your job is to obey the law, not to judge whether it applies to you. 12 God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor?

 

[Aunty Jane]

I pray for the whole world and peace in it

That can only be achieved by the coming of God’s Kingdom. It’s what Jesus taught us to pray for, but Christendom’s church members somehow think that peace can be achieved by war with weapons of mass destruction....yet in all of man’s history, when has lasting peace ever been achieved that way?

Genuine peace is not an absence of war...it’s a condition of the heart, vowing not to participate in the political arguments or bloodshed, not even tacitly. That’s what being “no part of the world” means. (John 18:36) We are to take a neutral position because this is satan’s world and we are to be no part of its governance or bloodshed. (Luke 4:5-7; Isa 1:15) We can let it do what God permits it to do. He doesn’t need us to go and bomb the daylights out of other countries, killing innocent women and children.

How do we praise the “Prince of Peace” by supporting and sanctioning wars in which God never took sides?

Man’s wars are usually over greed for resources, national pride, and the ability to make great profits in selling weapons. When a nation defends its own boarders, that is one thing, but when the nations fight wars in other people’s countries, that is something else entirely....but regardless.....it’s none of our business as Christ’s disciples. We remain innocent bystanders.

By the time Jesus presented himself as Messiah, the Jews as a nation had been subjugated for some time, and they had no military force. For a Jew to join the military in the first century was an act of betrayal....fighting for their enemies. The tax collectors were viewed the same way....despised as traitors.

Jesus did not at any time suggest military action by his disciples......he had a whole other “army” at his disposal. (Matt 26:52-53) We can let them do what they are commissioned to do......it’s not our job.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Oh' so now you believe in hell. Make up your mind already. I'm not going to give you an online bible class for beginners, go and find a beginners bible class in your area. You're obviously utterly clueless, since you haven't understood a single verse of scripture correctly yet.

If you read your responses here and see how many people you insult and judge as unworthy in your eyes....bound for this “hell” that you so relish.....have you never wondered how God sees you up there on your high horse....one who cannot address a single thing scripturally....but is an expert on hurling insults and accusations. Who appointed you the judge of anyone else? The only person we are authorised to judge is ourselves.....but we all need to evaluate the truth of God’s word for ourselves.....I think you might benefit from that exercise.

Christendom’s “hell” is not Scriptural......several words are translated as “hell” in English, so which one do you mean? The Greek and Hebrew languages have different words that mean different things.
It is evident that you are not a Bible student, but more a “Bible basher”....of what benefit is an uneducated cherry picker.

You don't have the gift of discernment, because you are not led by the Holy Spirit, but you're of the spirit of Antichrist. Satan twist everything God has said, to make it say the opposite and deluded people like you swallow His poison, hook, line and sinker.

Again, perhaps look at yourself......the deceiver is very clever at fooling fools....and has had millenniums of experience....a true expert. Your words indicate a vindictive spirit.....not Christlike at all.

I'm not going to enter into a vein dispute with someone who is under Demonic delusion and has no truth in them, you're full of guile, just like your father the Devil. You're not interested in the truth, becfause you hate the truth. The Lord Jesus said "I am the truth", and you don't believe on Him.

Again with the baseless allegations, just because I disagree with you....take a look at your responses....you disagree with everyone. Do you alone have “the truth”? Or is it just your version of it? (1 Cor 10:12)

As I already showed you, God Himself confirmed that you have the spirit of Antichrist. You offered no defence when I showed you the proof.

What is it that you have shown anyone here except a bad attitude? I don’t think you even know what the antichrist is....? You have not shown anyone “proof” of anything.....you have shown us your opinion and constant condemnation....what is that worth on a public forum?

You are carried away by your own opinion of yourself, so that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically bound for “hell”......shame about that...Jesus is the judge of all of us.....thank God for that!