Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Wrangler]

Should we support Israel.

Yes.

Support them with your prayers, most of all.

I pray for the whole world and peace in it

Agreed with with the proper ordering of Christian love by Thomas Aquinas, Ordo amoris

How do we praise the “Prince of Peace” by supporting and sanctioning wars in which God never took sides?

Non Sequitor. One thing has nothing to do with the other thing. Do you walk to school or pack a lunch? See Ordo Amoris above. Sometimes I do things for different people in my life. Just because my wife didn't ask for candy doesn't mean I should not positively respond to my grandsons request.

And I reject the premise of your question; God does take sides. There are testimonies and witnesses outside the Bible.

1. God took sides with Constantine and with Joan of Arc. Just because these are famous manifestations of God taking sides does not mean there are not other examples throughout all of history.

2. War and Peace, by the great Christian writer Leo Tolstoy delves into this regarding the war Russia had with Napoleon. Philippians 4:6 does not tell us to exclude God in ways that offend the feminine spirit. Don’t worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done. Involving God in "everything" includes war, by definition.

3. Excerpts from this article of the 6-Day War.

Although outmanned and outnumbered, the Israeli fighter pilots realized that God’s supernatural intervention secured their victory. Pilot and IDF Major General Ezer Weizmann was asked to explain how for three hours, Israel Air Force planes destroyed aircraft at one Egyptian airstrip after another—yet the Egyptians did not radio ahead to let their forces know about the imminent air attacks. Weizmann, who later served as President of Israel, said simply: “The finger of God.”​

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However, the Arabs, looking panic-stricken, did not fire on them, and complied immediately when the Israeli soldier then shouted, “Hands up!” Later, he asked an Egyptian sergeant why they hadn’t shot at the Israeli soldiers. The reply: “My arms froze—they became paralyzed. My whole body was paralyzed, and I don’t know why.” ​

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Arabs not only gave in to their fears and waved white flags of surrender; one tank commander later explained that he gave up to a far smaller number of Jewish tanks because he saw a desert mirage that made him “see hundreds of Israeli tanks.” ​

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Thus, it should be no surprise that the secular newspaper Haaretz carried this comment by one of its military correspondents: “Even a non-religious person must admit this war was fought with help from heaven.” ​

4. General Patton famously had a prayer written so the clouds would part to smite the enemy. It did, contrary to the forecasters prediction.

5. About 2 months ago I watched this amazing vid from WWII where a guy in the Navy got onto a life raft as his ship was sinking. The raft has a quality control label on it with the seamstress initials who sewed it together. Turns out, his mother worked at the factory and she sewed that life raft saving her son's life in battle.

6. You forget Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a warrior;
Yahweh is his name!

God leads the eternal battle of Good versus Evil. He's not the Lord of Heaven's Armies for nothing! YHWH will takes sides in a battle if he'll do anything! It's what warriors do.

 

[Wrangler]

What is it that you have shown anyone here except a bad attitude?

I think it's better that we just pray for him AJ. We warned him enough. Titus 3:10.

 

[Armour of God]

Agreed with with the proper ordering of Christian love by Thomas Aquinas, Ordo amoris


Non Sequitor. One thing has nothing to do with the other thing. Do you walk to school or pack a lunch? See Ordo Amoris above. Sometimes I do things for different people in my life. Just because my wife didn't ask for candy doesn't mean I should not positively respond to my grandsons request.

And I reject the premise of your question; God does take sides. There are testimonies and witnesses outside the Bible.

1. God took sides with Constantine and with Joan of Arc. Just because these are famous manifestations of God taking sides does not mean there are not other examples throughout all of history.

2. War and Peace, by the great Christian writer Leo Tolstoy delves into this regarding the war Russia had with Napoleon. Philippians 4:6 does not tell us to exclude God in ways that offend the feminine spirit. Don’t worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done. Involving God in "everything" includes war, by definition.

3. Excerpts from this article of the 6-Day War.

Although outmanned and outnumbered, the Israeli fighter pilots realized that God’s supernatural intervention secured their victory. Pilot and IDF Major General Ezer Weizmann was asked to explain how for three hours, Israel Air Force planes destroyed aircraft at one Egyptian airstrip after another—yet the Egyptians did not radio ahead to let their forces know about the imminent air attacks. Weizmann, who later served as President of Israel, said simply: “The finger of God.”​

​

However, the Arabs, looking panic-stricken, did not fire on them, and complied immediately when the Israeli soldier then shouted, “Hands up!” Later, he asked an Egyptian sergeant why they hadn’t shot at the Israeli soldiers. The reply: “My arms froze—they became paralyzed. My whole body was paralyzed, and I don’t know why.” ​

​

Arabs not only gave in to their fears and waved white flags of surrender; one tank commander later explained that he gave up to a far smaller number of Jewish tanks because he saw a desert mirage that made him “see hundreds of Israeli tanks.” ​

​

Thus, it should be no surprise that the secular newspaper Haaretz carried this comment by one of its military correspondents: “Even a non-religious person must admit this war was fought with help from heaven.” ​

4. General Patton famously had a prayer written so the clouds would part to smite the enemy. It did, contrary to the forecasters prediction.

5. About 2 months ago I watched this amazing vid from WWII where a guy in the Navy got onto a life raft as his ship was sinking. The raft has a quality control label on it with the seamstress initials who sewed it together. Turns out, his mother worked at the factory and she sewed that life raft saving her son's life in battle.

6. You forget Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a warrior;
Yahweh is his name!

God leads the eternal battle of Good versus Evil. He's not the Lord of Heaven's Armies for nothing! YHWH will takes sides in a battle if he'll do anything! It's what warriors do.

You guys can argue amongst yourselves about it.
I'm apathetic about it.
I don't care.
It doesn't bother me.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Non Sequitor. One thing has nothing to do with the other thing.

Of course it does…..we cannot be “part of the world”, sanctioning its wars and bloodshed, whilst at the same time claiming be a follower of the “Prince of Peace”.
The army that Jesus relies on is not human, nor are the weapons they use, designed by men of this world.

See Ordo Amoris above. Sometimes I do things for different people in my life. Just because my wife didn't ask for candy doesn't mean I should not positively respond to my grandsons request.

Sometimes you say things that make no sense….and quoting those in whom I have no faith or interest, is a waste of time. What does Thomas Aquinas have to do with anything? I will refute anything that comes from a Catholic source…..

And I reject the premise of your question; God does take sides. There are testimonies and witnesses outside the Bible.

1. God took sides with Constantine and with Joan of Arc. Just because these are famous manifestations of God taking sides does not mean there are not other examples throughout all of history.

Constantine? You think God took sides with Constantine? Remember that the Jews had no military when Jesus walked the earth, and Christian teachings precluded the Christians from military service. His teachings even precluded them from meddling in the corrupt business of politics. Jesus never once did.

Constantine was not a Christian, but used Christianity to further his own political agenda.….he groomed the false religious inhabitants of his empire to adopt his brand of Christianity….mandating Roman Catholicism as the state religion……but it had no resemblance to the teachings of Christ at all….it was out of political expediency that he did that. He blended the two religions so that both persuasions in his realm could be manipulated to do his bidding.

And Joan of Arc? You believe God was with her too?
She was a 13-year-old French peasant girl who began hearing a voice that claimed to be the voice of God. As she gave herself over to the will of the voice, it eventually took her to leadership of the French army—and death at the stake!
Again these voices led her to lead the French military…..something no true Christian will have done.

If you want military heroes to reinforce your political involvement, then you will have to do better than that.
Nothing the RCC is involved with has ever had God’s sanction…..they did everything God told them not to do…

2. War and Peace, by the great Christian writer Leo Tolstoy delves into this regarding the war Russia had with Napoleon. Philippians 4:6 does not tell us to exclude God in ways that offend the feminine spirit. Don’t worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done. Involving God in "everything" includes war, by definition.

Again you quote worldly men, in worldly situations, with worldly agendas…..
What does Phil 4:6 say…that disagrees with what Christ taught?

Paul told us what to do….and it has nothing to do with the “feminine spirit”…unless of course you accuse Jesus of having some kind of weakness? Who did he appeal to when things were grim? His earthly troops with weapons?

The days of war are over…..Israel’s descendants were displaced for centuries and they never got the fulfillment of the promises because of their own disobedience. The only wars God sanctioned in the past were the ones which were fought to defend their land. That piece of dirt no longer factors into God’s purpose. The “holy land” is so polluted with hatred and bloodshed that it is offensive to God now as a sacred place.
If God was fighting for Israel today, they would need no worldly allies to back them up….if God was for them, who could be against them?

What did Jesus say to Peter when he drew a sword to defend his master……?
“Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels?”

This is why Paul could say….

“Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving, let your petitions be made known to God”. (Phil 4:6)

It is clear who you rely on….I’ll rely on the one who is reliable…and keeps his word.

 

[Wrangler]

Of course it does…..we cannot be “part of the world”, sanctioning its wars and bloodshed, whilst at the same time claiming be a follower of the “Prince of Peace”.

False. We are a part of this world (like it or not as our existence is not on another planet) AND we are a follower of the "prince" of peace. Ever wonder why he is not the king of peace? A prince is in the waiting.

And how will he ultimately bring peace? By the exact sanctioning of wars and bloodshed you rail against.

 

[Wrangler]

Sometimes you say things that make no sense….and quoting those in whom I have no faith or interest, is a waste of time. What does Thomas Aquinas have to do with anything?

Well, it's the principle under discussion. If you don't want to grasp your opponents basic argument, that's one you.

I see you skipped over the metaphor of my wife not asking for candy. Willful ignorance of the principle in play?

 

[Wrangler]

Again you quote worldly men, in worldly situations, with worldly agendas…..

Yes, worldly men who God assisted with their agenda's. God used such men in the Bible also, such as Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus and the polytheist Abraham just to name a few.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Sure you can defend yourself from invasion and attack but I often see Israel doing the attacking without provocation, committing acts of terror themselves.
That's why I'm apathetic towards the wars in the middle east. Their as bad as each other in my opinion and I don't have much care for it

OK, so in your opinion, the criminal and his victim are equally evil. Wow, what a wonderful philosophy

 

[Armour of God]

OK, so in your opinion, the criminal and his victim are equally evil. Wow, what a wonderful philosophy

That's not what I said.
Enough of your lies.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I don't know that any of that is true. Lot's of accusations there. Let's assume it's all true. Rest easy son; you are not her authority. Consider these verses: Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

James 4:11-12
11 Don’t speak evil against each other, dear brothers and sisters.[a] If you criticize and judge each other, then you are criticizing and judging God’s law. But your job is to obey the law, not to judge whether it applies to you. 12 God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor?

You seem to be just as clueless as she is. God commands me to judge and test everyone, who claims to be a believer. God never commanded me to waste time on the reprobate (faggots), a faggot is a piece of firewood. The unbelieving reprobate are sealed for eternal torment in hell, so there's no point in kicking (judging) a dead dog.

But if someone who claims to be a believer, accuses God of being a liar, then they must be exposed and disciplined. If they refuse to repent, then we must excommunicate them and treat them as infidels.

It's up to us true believers to remove any unrepentant sinners from amongst us. God commands us to remove anything that offends or pollutes the Church.

 

[amigo de christo]

The left and right wings of politics are both the result of the curse that mankind inherited from Adam fall. Man will never enjoy being governed by righteous leaders, because they don't exist. All of mankind is born pure evil, and they are even more evil by the time they get old and die, (unless God saves them, before they die).

It's foolish to believe that the any nation or state will ever find a leader who will act in their best interest. All of them act to serve their lust and hunger for money.

Here in Australia, the people keep voting in new governments, after they realise that the previous one betrayed them and lied to them the whole time. They chose a leader who sells themselves in a convincing way, but all we get is scammers who sell us out to the highest bidder.

And that my friend is why the many are deceived. For they put their hope into some leader of this world .
and it is why all will more and more gather under the cry of an ecumenical harlot and her l ove
and her so lution for world peace n safety .
And her solution is of that which is of anti christ .
Anyone ever wonder why i keep begging , pleading and a warning for a return to the scriptures
and to learn THAT GOD and HIS CHRIST , HIS words real good . Cause the apostels who also left us letters
For the G OOD of the beleiver as well .
WE are being deceived . And the cry of a god and its love will soon bec ome law of the land .
Only that god and its l o ve , ARE NOT THE GOD OR HIS LOVE .

 

[amigo de christo]

False. We are a part of this world (like it or not as our existence is not on another planet) AND we are a follower of the "prince" of peace. Ever wonder why he is not the king of peace? A prince is in the waiting.

And how will he ultimately bring peace? By the exact sanctioning of wars and bloodshed you rail against.

verily verily i do say unto you
there is indeed a prince of peace in the waiting and by him do the dark spirits work this peace into the hearts of men .
More and more do heed its ecumenical cry of a harlot .
And it will lead this world as one , all religoins united under a false love g od ,
AGAINST THE TRUE PRINCE OF PEACE and those who had preached HIS GOSPEL of peace
WHICH STATES HOW one can have peace with GOD , BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
You , my dear sir are being groomed for
he who by PEACE shall destroy many . JESUS will end this on HIS DAY .
BUT WOE unto all who heeded its cry of unity and its solution of peace . THEMS GONNA WAIL on JESUS day .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, worldly men who God assisted with their agenda's. God used such men in the Bible also, such as Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus and the polytheist Abraham just to name a few.

God did use such men , just as he used pharoah
and will ev en have the ten kings to agree WITH the beast .
BUT IT DONT MEAN WE GONNA SUPPORT OR FOLLOW SUCH .
putting hope into men is like putting hope
into a man selling what he calleth DEHYDRATED water
and says for it to b ecome wet , JUST ADD water . HIMS FOOLING YA .
To trust in man , to put hope in man
Is like a one who came unto the end of a pier which stood over a mighty ocean .
And then a man appears and says Let me give you TWO THINGS .
This chain attached to a one hundred pound weight to tie around your right leg
And a snorkel by which to breath as you tread water .
WELL BUENOS SUERTE with that . For ev en that s norkel
WILL P ROFIT that man nothing as the weight on his leg drags him to the bottom of said ocean .
Man gives only enough truth TO MAKE HIMSELF a danger .
SHEEP , well THEY HEED JESUS . WHO IS THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE .

 

[Christian Soldier]

If you read your responses here and see how many people you insult and judge as unworthy in your eyes....bound for this “hell” that you so relish.....have you never wondered how God sees you up there on your high horse....one who cannot address a single thing scripturally....but is an expert on hurling insults and accusations. Who appointed you the judge of anyone else? The only person we are authorised to judge is ourselves.....but we all need to evaluate the truth of God’s word for ourselves.....I think you might benefit from that exercise.

Christendom’s “hell” is not Scriptural......several words are translated as “hell” in English, so which one do you mean? The Greek and Hebrew languages have different words that mean different things.
It is evident that you are not a Bible student, but more a “Bible basher”....of what benefit is an uneducated cherry picker.


Again, perhaps look at yourself......the deceiver is very clever at fooling fools....and has had millenniums of experience....a true expert. Your words indicate a vindictive spirit.....not Christlike at all.

Again with the baseless allegations, just because I disagree with you....take a look at your responses....you disagree with everyone. Do you alone have “the truth”? Or is it just your version of it? (1 Cor 10:12)

What is it that you have shown anyone here except a bad attitude? I don’t think you even know what the antichrist is....? You have not shown anyone “proof” of anything.....you have shown us your opinion and constant condemnation....what is that worth on a public forum?

You are carried away by your own opinion of yourself, so that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically bound for “hell”......shame about that...Jesus is the judge of all of us.....thank God for that!

So now your boasting about how smart you are traveling on the broad road that leads to to the lake of fire. God said, that there are few who enter by the narrow gate, good luck to you and you mob of cowards who boast about your numbers. You think there is safety in numbers, but that's what I'd expect from someone who is enslaved by her sin and Satan. He has blinded you, so you can't even begin to understand the truth.

You haven't even managed to interpret a single verse of scripture correctly, and instead of responding to all of my charges, you simply respond with lies and slander, exactly the same as your Father does.

Why don't you admit that you hate God, because He will cast the vast majority of professing Christians into hell. I told you and you know that God spoke more about hell than He did about heaven, but you foolishly choose to condemn yourself by your blasphemy in accusing Him of being a liar.

You won't be able to play word games with God, when you stand before Him on judgement day. You won't be able to act dumb and say oh' but the Greeks don't use the word "hell" so I don't believe in the Bible doctrine of hell, because the Greeks don't speak English. How pathetic and dumb of you.

 

[Marvelloustime]

God did use such men , just as he used pharoah
and will ev en have the ten kings to agree WITH the beast .
BUT IT DONT MEAN WE GONNA SUPPORT OR FOLLOW SUCH .
putting hope into men is like putting hope
into a man selling what he calleth DEHYDRATED water
and says for it to b ecome wet , JUST ADD water . HIMS FOOLING YA .
To trust in man , to put hope in man
Is like a one who came unto the end of a pier which stood over a mighty ocean .
And then a man appears and says Let me give you TWO THINGS .
This chain attached to a one hundred pound weight to tie around your right leg
And a snorkel by which to breath as you tread water .
WELL BUENOS SUERTE with that . For ev en that s norkel
WILL P ROFIT that man nothing as the weight on his leg drags him to the bottom of said ocean .
Man gives only enough truth TO MAKE HIMSELF a danger .
SHEEP , well THEY HEED JESUS . WHO IS THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

verily verily i do say unto you
there is indeed a prince of peace in the waiting and by him do the dark spirits work this peace into the hearts of men .
More and more do heed its ecumenical cry of a harlot .
And it will lead this world as one , all religoins united under a false love g od ,
AGAINST THE TRUE PRINCE OF PEACE and those who had preached HIS GOSPEL of peace
WHICH STATES HOW one can have peace with GOD , BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
You , my dear sir are being groomed for
he who by PEACE shall destroy many . JESUS will end this on HIS DAY .
BUT WOE unto all who heeded its cry of unity and its solution of peace . THEMS GONNA WAIL on JESUS day .

@amigo de christo

 

[Christian Soldier]

That's not what I said.
Enough of your lies.

You just hate it when someone exposes your foolishness don't you, all you can do is tuck your tail between your legs and run

 

[Marvelloustime]

And that my friend is why the many are deceived. For they put their hope into some leader of this world .
and it is why all will more and more gather under the cry of an ecumenical harlot and her l ove
and her so lution for world peace n safety .
And her solution is of that which is of anti christ .
Anyone ever wonder why i keep begging , pleading and a warning for a return to the scriptures
and to learn THAT GOD and HIS CHRIST , HIS words real good . Cause the apostels who also left us letters
For the G OOD of the beleiver as well .
WE are being deceived . And the cry of a god and its love will soon bec ome law of the land .
Only that god and its l o ve , ARE NOT THE GOD OR HIS LOVE .

@amigo de christo

 

[Armour of God]

You just hate it when someone exposes your foolishness don't you, all you can do is tuck your tail between your legs and run

No I just hate it when people lie
I did not say that. So stop being a liar

 

[Christian Soldier]

And that my friend is why the many are deceived. For they put their hope into some leader of this world .
and it is why all will more and more gather under the cry of an ecumenical harlot and her l ove
and her so lution for world peace n safety .
And her solution is of that which is of anti christ .
Anyone ever wonder why i keep begging , pleading and a warning for a return to the scriptures
and to learn THAT GOD and HIS CHRIST , HIS words real good . Cause the apostels who also left us letters
For the G OOD of the beleiver as well .
WE are being deceived . And the cry of a god and its love will soon bec ome law of the land .
Only that god and its l o ve , ARE NOT THE GOD OR HIS LOVE .

Mankind is and always has been divided into two groups. We have the children of the Devil and Gods children. God said we can't serve two Masters, we will love one and hate the other.
We can't love the world and claim to also love God, everyone is either a part of the Antichrist system or they are separated from the world, as in "Ecclesiastia" (called out from the world).

You will know them by their fruits, a good tree cannot bare bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bare good fruit. We either bare the mark of the Beast, or we have the seal of God on our foreheads. Nobody can have a foot in both camps, but this is the prevailing trend in the Churches, they want to be relevant to the world so they open the door to all kinds of perversions.

The vast majority of Churches are loved by the world, because they are seeker friendly, (they everybody what they want to hear). Never mind that it leads them to hell, none of them even believe what Jesus said about it.