Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[amigo de christo]

I'm not. Give to Caesar what is Caesars. Ever hear those words? I wonder what they mean?

if you are supporting in an y way anyone who is of the ecumeincal movment , THEN OOPS YOU ALREADY are BEING decieved .
THE question now is , WHAT are you gonna do about it . BIBLE TIME taken . lets learn of THE ONE TRUE GOD and HIS CHRIST .

 

[doctrox]

Give to Caesar what is Caesars. Ever hear those words? I wonder what they mean?

No need for you to wonder, when we have the word of God.

As per this thread, the "State of Israel" equates to "Caesar."

For example, I don't pay any taxes. Why not? Because I have chosen not to align myself with Caesar. Jesus himself was accused of forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar at his trial (Luke 23:2). Notice these were not false witnesses who accused Jesus of not paying taxes, because every time a false witness accused Jesus, the scripture tells us it was a false witness (Mark 14:57-59). Where did Jesus forbid to pay taxes to Caesar?

In Mark 12:13-17, Jesus was asked if it was lawful to give taxes to Caesar or not. A silver coin, with Caesar's inscription on it, was shown to Christ. In this example, the Lord's answer requires everyone to make the determination as to what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God;

Mark 12:17, "...Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's..."

Who did this silver coin belong to? Since the Scripture says, "The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts" (Haggai 2:8), that means that the silver coin shown to Jesus belonged to God. However, those who live, move, and have their being in the image of Caesar, as the disciples of the Pharisees did, will believe this coin belongs to Caesar instead. We are not to be deluded by the image of Caesar, but built-up in the image of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 11:7; 15:49, 2 Corinthians 3:18, Colossians 3:10).

if you are supporting in an y way anyone who is of the ecumeincal movment , THEN OOPS YOU ALREADY are BEING decieved .

BINGO!

 

[Aunty Jane]

With whom do i worship . With anyone who truly loves the LORD and does worship him in Spirit and in Truth .

Do you follow Paul’s admonition though, Amigo?
Hebrews 10:19-24...NASB.. to his fellow anointed “elect”...he said...
“Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.”

With whom do you “assemble together” Amigo? Or can you not find those who believe as you do in your own vicinity?

Whose doctrine do i uphold . GOD . And it is BIBLE TIME in the house my friends .

But you uphold the doctrines of Roman Catholicism.....so does the rest of Christendom.....
If it’s Bible time, don’t you have to ask if what you are reading into Scripture, isn’t there and never was?

There is no trinity in one single passage of Scripture....no immortal souls flitting off to heaven or hell....and no eternal fire for the torture of wicked ones forever...all are ideas borrowed from paganism and grafted over ambiguous Scripture to validate them.
Don’t just read the Bible (especially the outdated KJV) but study its original languages and see where the grafting took place. See where English translators took liberties with those original languages.

Don’t accept anything at face value.....satan wants you to fall for the ruse he has created with the “weeds” he sowed in the world after the death of Christ and his apostles.....a counterfeit that grew to mammoth proportions.

As far as hellish punishment, MIGHT WANNA READ how often JESUS warned about such an end
as well as did the apostels , UNTO ALL who deny JESUS IS THE CHRIST .

Since I do not deny that “Jesus is the Christ” but is, who he himself said he was....”the Son of God”...show me where he said he was “God incarnate”......and please show me this “fiery hell” that he spoke about....

If you go back into the Bible’s original Greek, you will see what “Gehenna” actually is.....and Jesus’ Jewish audience knew exactly what he meant as “Gehenna” was speaking about a place that was etched in their disobedient history. The “flames” and the “worms” were literal because the place itself was literal, but it symbolised something that should have moved them to repent. Sadly it didn’t for the majority.

And on that note we had better all make sure ITS THE JESUS , HIS WORDS , and the doctrines of the apostles
that WE BELIEVE and that we heed . IOW , BIBLE TIME for to grow and to learn by THE grace of GOD as we ought to .

I agree....but you seem to have no idea what the Bible teaches, let alone what it means.
In John 17:1-5, Jesus makes a very important statement about salvation.....

“Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” (NASB)

How well do you read Scripture Amigo? What was Jesus saying to his Father in prayer? Who do we have to “know”? Who did Jesus call the “only true God” without including himself, because he then mentions himself as the one his Father “sent”.....and where is the third and supposedly equal third person? Do we not need to “know” him?
How did the Son glorify his Father? Who “sent” Jesus into the world to save obedient ones? Why does this man speak with complete subservience to his God and Father? Where is the “god-man” that Christendom worships?

When he had returned to heavenly glory, what did he say in Rev 3:12?

“He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.” (NASB)

This is the resurrected Son of God speaking about his God......four times in that one verse Jesus identifies his Father as “my God”.....can God have a god even in heaven?

How well do you know the Scriptures you purport to teach? Is there too much mud in the trenches?

And while i do agree with you that we all need to heed the warnings and what we say and ensure its of GOD ,
and that if one does promote false doctrine THEY NEED to cease asap .
But it aint me adding too or taking from the book of revelation , nor from THE VERY WORDS and warnings of CHRIST and of GOD .

And who are the easiest people to fool on planet earth? Those with their fingers in their ears refusing to listen and accusing everyone else of doing it.
All I ask is for an honest look at what you have been led to believe.

YOO HOO , its the JW camp and scores of others doing just that . Beleiving clowns of men
that sold them wisdom of men to change the bible , and or to twist the scrips in said bible .

What if you are a clown yourself Amigo? The “scripts” were already twisted long before you or I even existed....yet you cling to the twisted version, even when those Scriptures are shown to you as false renderings? Do you need an attitude adjustment yourself?

SO i leave us all with these words
ITS HIGH TIME for folks to COME OUT of such places and begin afresh and anew in the scriptures for themselves
OR Prepare for much wailing ON THE DAY of THE LORD .

Yes, we have to “get out of Babylon the great”....but how do you do that if she still has you drinking from her poison cup?

Who is “the LORD”....it is Yahweh/Jehovah” according to Hebrew prophesy.....(Mal 4:1-3)
And who will be wailing on the “day of Jehovah”....? Those who fail to acknowledge who is “the only true God”...”AND the one he sent”?
Whom did the apostles identify as their God?

1 Cor 8:5-6....
“For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.” (NASB)

Can you see it clearly stated there Amigo? Who was their “one God”? It was the Father, not the Son....and there is no third party.
If we are serving the wrong “god” (theos) who was created by the apostate church, then we are breaking the first Commandment. Satan has the majority hoodwinked about who “the only true God” is.

People need to wake up before it’s too late....

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you follow Paul’s admonition though, Amigo?
Hebrews 10:19-24...NASB.. to his fellow anointed “elect”...he said...
“Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.”

With whom do you “assemble together” Amigo? Or can you not find those who believe as you do in your own vicinity?

But you uphold the doctrines of Roman Catholicism.....so does the rest of Christendom.....
If it’s Bible time, don’t you have to ask if what you are reading into Scripture, isn’t there and never was?

There is no trinity in one single passage of Scripture....no immortal souls flitting off to heaven or hell....and no eternal fire for the torture of wicked ones forever...all are ideas borrowed from paganism and grafted over ambiguous Scripture to validate them.
Don’t just read the Bible (especially the outdated KJV) but study its original languages and see where the grafting took place. See where English translators took liberties with those original languages.

Don’t accept anything at face value.....satan wants you to fall for the ruse he has created with the “weeds” he sowed in the world after the death of Christ and his apostles.....a counterfeit that grew to mammoth proportions.

Since I do not deny that “Jesus is the Christ” but is, who he himself said he was....”the Son of God”...show me where he said he was “God incarnate”......and please show me this “fiery hell” that he spoke about....

If you go back into the Bible’s original Greek, you will see what “Gehenna” actually is.....and Jesus’ Jewish audience knew exactly what he meant as “Gehenna” was speaking about a place that was etched in their disobedient history. The “flames” and the “worms” were literal because the place itself was literal, but it symbolised something that should have moved them to repent. Sadly it didn’t for the majority.

I agree....but you seem to have no idea what the Bible teaches, let alone what it means.
In John 17:1-5, Jesus makes a very important statement about salvation.....

“Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” (NASB)

How well do you read Scripture Amigo? What was Jesus saying to his Father in prayer? Who do we have to “know”? Who did Jesus call the “only true God” without including himself, because he then mentions himself as the one his Father “sent”.....and where is the third and supposedly equal third person? Do we not need to “know” him?
How did the Son glorify his Father? Who “sent” Jesus into the world to save obedient ones? Why does this man speak with complete subservience to his God and Father? Where is the “god-man” that Christendom worships?

When he had returned to heavenly glory, what did he say in Rev 3:12?

“He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.” (NASB)

This is the resurrected Son of God speaking about his God......four times in that one verse Jesus identifies his Father as “my God”.....can God have a god even in heaven?

How well do you know the Scriptures you purport to teach? Is there too much mud in the trenches?

And who are the easiest people to fool on planet earth? Those with their fingers in their ears refusing to listen and accusing everyone else of doing it.
All I ask is for an honest look at what you have been led to believe.

What if you are a clown yourself Amigo? The “scripts” were already twisted long before you or I even existed....yet you cling to the twisted version, even when those Scriptures are shown to you as false renderings? Do you need an attitude adjustment yourself?

Yes, we have to “get out of Babylon the great”....but how do you do that if she still has you drinking from her poison cup?

Who is “the LORD”....it is Yahweh/Jehovah” according to Hebrew prophesy.....(Mal 4:1-3)
And who will be wailing on the “day of Jehovah”....? Those who fail to acknowledge who is “the only true God”...”AND the one he sent”?
Whom did the apostles identify as their God?

1 Cor 8:5-6....
“For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.” (NASB)

Can you see it clearly stated there Amigo? Who was their “one God”? It was the Father, not the Son....and there is no third party.
If we are serving the wrong “god” (theos) who was created by the apostate church, then we are breaking the first Commandment. Satan has the majority hoodwinked about who “the only true God” is.

People need to wake up before it’s too late....

we can do this all day . YES i do follow pauls admonition . And believe me THIS did NOT MEAN just sit under wolves in wool
and remain in such place .
SO hear this . HEAR YE HEAR YE one and all , i will gather with any sheep who loveth the LORD in Spirit and In TRUTH .
But a wolf one i refuse to sit under . Have a lovely day now .

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you follow Paul’s admonition though, Amigo?
Hebrews 10:19-24...NASB.. to his fellow anointed “elect”...he said...
“Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.”

With whom do you “assemble together” Amigo? Or can you not find those who believe as you do in your own vicinity?

But you uphold the doctrines of Roman Catholicism.....so does the rest of Christendom.....
If it’s Bible time, don’t you have to ask if what you are reading into Scripture, isn’t there and never was?

There is no trinity in one single passage of Scripture....no immortal souls flitting off to heaven or hell....and no eternal fire for the torture of wicked ones forever...all are ideas borrowed from paganism and grafted over ambiguous Scripture to validate them.
Don’t just read the Bible (especially the outdated KJV) but study its original languages and see where the grafting took place. See where English translators took liberties with those original languages.

Don’t accept anything at face value.....satan wants you to fall for the ruse he has created with the “weeds” he sowed in the world after the death of Christ and his apostles.....a counterfeit that grew to mammoth proportions.

Since I do not deny that “Jesus is the Christ” but is, who he himself said he was....”the Son of God”...show me where he said he was “God incarnate”......and please show me this “fiery hell” that he spoke about....

If you go back into the Bible’s original Greek, you will see what “Gehenna” actually is.....and Jesus’ Jewish audience knew exactly what he meant as “Gehenna” was speaking about a place that was etched in their disobedient history. The “flames” and the “worms” were literal because the place itself was literal, but it symbolised something that should have moved them to repent. Sadly it didn’t for the majority.

I agree....but you seem to have no idea what the Bible teaches, let alone what it means.
In John 17:1-5, Jesus makes a very important statement about salvation.....

“Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” (NASB)

How well do you read Scripture Amigo? What was Jesus saying to his Father in prayer? Who do we have to “know”? Who did Jesus call the “only true God” without including himself, because he then mentions himself as the one his Father “sent”.....and where is the third and supposedly equal third person? Do we not need to “know” him?
How did the Son glorify his Father? Who “sent” Jesus into the world to save obedient ones? Why does this man speak with complete subservience to his God and Father? Where is the “god-man” that Christendom worships?

When he had returned to heavenly glory, what did he say in Rev 3:12?

“He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.” (NASB)

This is the resurrected Son of God speaking about his God......four times in that one verse Jesus identifies his Father as “my God”.....can God have a god even in heaven?

How well do you know the Scriptures you purport to teach? Is there too much mud in the trenches?

And who are the easiest people to fool on planet earth? Those with their fingers in their ears refusing to listen and accusing everyone else of doing it.
All I ask is for an honest look at what you have been led to believe.

What if you are a clown yourself Amigo? The “scripts” were already twisted long before you or I even existed....yet you cling to the twisted version, even when those Scriptures are shown to you as false renderings? Do you need an attitude adjustment yourself?

Yes, we have to “get out of Babylon the great”....but how do you do that if she still has you drinking from her poison cup?

Who is “the LORD”....it is Yahweh/Jehovah” according to Hebrew prophesy.....(Mal 4:1-3)
And who will be wailing on the “day of Jehovah”....? Those who fail to acknowledge who is “the only true God”...”AND the one he sent”?
Whom did the apostles identify as their God?

1 Cor 8:5-6....
“For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.” (NASB)

Can you see it clearly stated there Amigo? Who was their “one God”? It was the Father, not the Son....and there is no third party.
If we are serving the wrong “god” (theos) who was created by the apostate church, then we are breaking the first Commandment. Satan has the majority hoodwinked about who “the only true God” is.

People need to wake up before it’s too late....

If anyone is sitting in any place
that tells their people they cannot learn and read the bible for themselves , THEY IN BABYLON and know it not .
IF any organization says OUR VICAR , our church BE THE ONE TRUE CHURCH
and lest ye join us Ye are a bastard , ye cannot learn the truth .
WELL its of bablyon and knows it not .
Wouldnt you agree that is e xactly what gave such power to the RCC in the first place .
I dont mind folks saying we are the church , ITS THE YE MUST HEED our VATICAN and POPES i have a problem with .
I see this all the time .
ONE can see the very evils of the RCC
but cannot see THEIR OWN WATCHTOWER has convinced them the same . DO NOT LIE . thou shall not lie .
I have talked with Jws . And even when i pointed out a truth to them . THEY DID NOT DENY this truth
for it was IN their own bible .
HOWEVER , HOWEVER , she then proceeded to say , BUT IF GOD WANTS US TO KNOW THIS T RUTH
HE GONNA REVEAL IT TO OUR LEADERSHIP . OOPSY , SOUNDS LIKE BRAINWASHING TO ME .
But dont you th ink its just on them eithier .
HOW Often i have heard by many a leader of many a church
YE CANNOT LEARN the bible lest YE ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,fill in the blank
LEARN OUR GREEK , heed our scholars so they can show us .
ALWAYS TRUSTING IN MEN they are .
AS FOR ME . GOD can and will give me as i need to know . i am only sorrowful for the many
THAT BOUGHT INTO the t rickery of men . AS IF i need to know hermes to KNOW the bible .
AS IF i need to learn man made tatics to KNOW what the scrips say or mean .
HERE is who we NEED TO KNOW . GOD , HIS CHRIST and if we do
BELEIVE ME it aint TOO HARD FOR GOD by THE SPIRIT to reveal what we need to know and learn
FROM the scripture . GOD INSPIRED IT , I AM QUITE certain HIS SPIRIT can reveal it .
CHILD LIKE FAITH , but not in man or his wisdom , BUT IN GOD is what you are witnessing from this sheep .
I only wish more and more would have done the same .
THEY too could have tested t heir own leaders and seen THE DEADLY ERRORS in them , as i have seen in them .
AND no , i aint special or something big either . IN fact i was one of the worst
That GOD simply took mercy upon and revealed HIS grace in CHRIST upon .
NOW . BIBLE TIME IN THE HOUSE please . And do test all yo u hear against it .

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you follow Paul’s admonition though, Amigo?
Hebrews 10:19-24...NASB.. to his fellow anointed “elect”...he said...
“Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.”

With whom do you “assemble together” Amigo? Or can you not find those who believe as you do in your own vicinity?

But you uphold the doctrines of Roman Catholicism.....so does the rest of Christendom.....
If it’s Bible time, don’t you have to ask if what you are reading into Scripture, isn’t there and never was?

There is no trinity in one single passage of Scripture....no immortal souls flitting off to heaven or hell....and no eternal fire for the torture of wicked ones forever...all are ideas borrowed from paganism and grafted over ambiguous Scripture to validate them.
Don’t just read the Bible (especially the outdated KJV) but study its original languages and see where the grafting took place. See where English translators took liberties with those original languages.

Don’t accept anything at face value.....satan wants you to fall for the ruse he has created with the “weeds” he sowed in the world after the death of Christ and his apostles.....a counterfeit that grew to mammoth proportions.

Since I do not deny that “Jesus is the Christ” but is, who he himself said he was....”the Son of God”...show me where he said he was “God incarnate”......and please show me this “fiery hell” that he spoke about....

If you go back into the Bible’s original Greek, you will see what “Gehenna” actually is.....and Jesus’ Jewish audience knew exactly what he meant as “Gehenna” was speaking about a place that was etched in their disobedient history. The “flames” and the “worms” were literal because the place itself was literal, but it symbolised something that should have moved them to repent. Sadly it didn’t for the majority.

I agree....but you seem to have no idea what the Bible teaches, let alone what it means.
In John 17:1-5, Jesus makes a very important statement about salvation.....

“Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” (NASB)

How well do you read Scripture Amigo? What was Jesus saying to his Father in prayer? Who do we have to “know”? Who did Jesus call the “only true God” without including himself, because he then mentions himself as the one his Father “sent”.....and where is the third and supposedly equal third person? Do we not need to “know” him?
How did the Son glorify his Father? Who “sent” Jesus into the world to save obedient ones? Why does this man speak with complete subservience to his God and Father? Where is the “god-man” that Christendom worships?

When he had returned to heavenly glory, what did he say in Rev 3:12?

“He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.” (NASB)

This is the resurrected Son of God speaking about his God......four times in that one verse Jesus identifies his Father as “my God”.....can God have a god even in heaven?

How well do you know the Scriptures you purport to teach? Is there too much mud in the trenches?

And who are the easiest people to fool on planet earth? Those with their fingers in their ears refusing to listen and accusing everyone else of doing it.
All I ask is for an honest look at what you have been led to believe.

What if you are a clown yourself Amigo? The “scripts” were already twisted long before you or I even existed....yet you cling to the twisted version, even when those Scriptures are shown to you as false renderings? Do you need an attitude adjustment yourself?

Yes, we have to “get out of Babylon the great”....but how do you do that if she still has you drinking from her poison cup?

Who is “the LORD”....it is Yahweh/Jehovah” according to Hebrew prophesy.....(Mal 4:1-3)
And who will be wailing on the “day of Jehovah”....? Those who fail to acknowledge who is “the only true God”...”AND the one he sent”?
Whom did the apostles identify as their God?

1 Cor 8:5-6....
“For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.” (NASB)

Can you see it clearly stated there Amigo? Who was their “one God”? It was the Father, not the Son....and there is no third party.
If we are serving the wrong “god” (theos) who was created by the apostate church, then we are breaking the first Commandment. Satan has the majority hoodwinked about who “the only true God” is.

People need to wake up before it’s too late....

just rem ember , anyone in any way connected to this ecumenical movement
IS BEING and has been deceived .
So do you mind if i ask you , what do you THINK about this statement i just made . Feel free to answer as you l ike .
What do you think about it . but know this , if ya h opes are in either the left or the right
YOU hoping in men arleady attached to it . TRUMP is NO EXCEPTION EITHER . they all DUPING US ALL .

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Rather, tailoring = customizing content and delivery.


That's a quantum leap. There is much confusion, sown by the father of lies, over who and/or what is "Israel."

The present geographical so-called State of Israel (and the UN, the IMF and the World Bank) was funded into existence in the 40's by a satanist for his cabal's diabolical purposes.


True. Yet Jerusalem will be the world capital. Jerusalem is the power of antichrist, ala the UN world government.

To further illustrate, the former Prime Minister of Israel, Shimon Peres, shocked the entire world when he proposed that Jerusalem be selected as the "World Capital" of the emerging one world government. The Peres press release stated that the competing claims on the various holy sites in Jerusalem that are desired by Islamic, Christian, and Jewish interests could be satisfied if a larger governing body were to assume jurisdiction of the city.

Although the proposal is calculated to resolve the seething religious tension in Israel, there was no mistaking the central idea that is implied in the proposed internationalization of Jerusalem. For example, the news bureau World Net Daily reacted to the proposal by publishing the following headline: Jerusalem Touted As World's Capital.

As it that wasn't enough, the Israeli newspaper Maariv stated that as part of Shimon Peres' proposal for the internationalization of Jerusalem, the UN would be the political body that is to be placed in charge. Incredibly, Peres wants the Secretary-General of the United Nations to act as the "Mayor" of Jerusalem.

It should be obvious that in any city in the world, the Mayor of that city lives there - thus, this political proposal is subtly suggesting that the Secretary-General of the United Nations should move to Jerusalem. This would make the ancient metropolis the de facto world headquarters of the UN.

There is much more.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

What do the Socialist Jews want ?
Remember Socialist can be that of the Left or the right.

What was and is the ends of the Socialist Jews ? You do not hear such openly by the Media ! or the Cat could get out of the Bag !

 

[Aunty Jane]

we can do this all day . YES i do follow pauls admonition .

With whom do you “gather together” Amigo? There has to be somewhere to direct the sheep.....otherwise they are all under one umbrella....”Christendom”...not “gathered together” at all but deliberately separated and disunited even though they all teach the same lies. Is God responsible for that? Or does he permit us all to be drawn to what our own heart desires? We have to fulfill the whole criteria of what being a “Christian” means. How many do?

And believe me THIS did NOT MEAN just sit under wolves in wool and remain in such place .

You first have to identify the wolves Amigo....sometimes they are the ones who are fooling themselves, wearing a sheep suit given to them by their parents or others. It looks authentic on the surface....but soon the cracks appear...

How can you tell if a religion is part of “Babylon the great”? They will adhere to doctrines that originated in ancient Babylon under the influence of Nimrod, the first rebel after the flood. He and his cronies wanted to disobey God’s command to spread out and populate the earth....they wanted to stay put and build an empire to their own glory, so God confused their language and forced them to gather with those whose language they understood, and these went on to found nations, but they took their language and false religious beliefs with them....this why all false worship has the same foundational beliefs....and almost all have a flood legend.....beliefs formulated by Nimrod who wanted to become a god to his subjects....just like satan.

He distinguished himself as a mighty hunter “before” (in an unfavorable sense; Heb., liph·nehʹ; “against” or “in opposition to” or “in front of” Jehovah. Jewish historian Josephus suggests that Nimrod was “a mighty hunter in defiance of Jehovah”. and his actions and attitude prove it.

SO hear this . HEAR YE HEAR YE one and all , i will gather with any sheep who loveth the LORD in Spirit and In TRUTH .
But a wolf one i refuse to sit under

I don’t think you know all the breeds of wolves.....some are made to look like wolves but are really sheep....just different to all the rest.....remember that Jesus and his disciples were made to look like the infidels, but they were promoters of the true faith, unlike the Pharisees who made themselves enemies of God....”teaching the commands of men as doctrines”.. (Matt 15:7-9)

Ask why Jesus said in Matt 5:11-12...
“Blessed are you when insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” (NASB)

He also warned his disciples....
“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me.” (John 15:18-21 NASB)

Why do they”not know the one who sent” him? Because Christendom has them worshipping one who is not God. History is repeating because the devil counts on our short memory....

Some today, look like sheep, but under the surface are still wolves....ready to take the most vulnerable as their prey....promoting false doctrines disguised as Bible truth. Unless you research carefully, you cannot have a “complete suit of armor”.
Those most vulnerable are those who read the Bible but have no understanding of its true meaning....no word studies to prove authenticity of translation......just told to accept their implied meaning. Are you one of them, Amigo?
Many others are swayed by emotion, not Scriptural truth. Faith is based on solid facts, but emotions can be manipulated, just like patriotic sentiments....to lead one in the opposite direction...it feels right but it isn’t.

 

[amigo de christo]

With whom do you “gather together” Amigo? There has to be somewhere to direct the sheep.....otherwise they are all under one umbrella....”Christendom”...not “gathered together” at all but deliberately separated and disunited even though they all teach the same lies. Is God responsible for that? Or does he permit us all to be drawn to what our own heart desires? We have to fulfill the whole criteria of what being a “Christian” means. How many do?

You first have to identify the wolves Amigo....sometimes they are the ones who are fooling themselves, wearing a sheep suit given to them by their parents or others. It looks authentic on the surface....but soon the cracks appear...

How can you tell if a religion is part of “Babylon the great”? They will adhere to doctrines that originated in ancient Babylon under the influence of Nimrod, the first rebel after the flood. He and his cronies wanted to disobey God’s command to spread out and populate the earth....they wanted to stay put and build an empire to their own glory, so God confused their language and forced them to gather with those whose language they understood, and these went on to found nations, but they took their language and false religious beliefs with them....this why all false worship has the same foundational beliefs....and almost all have a flood legend.....beliefs formulated by Nimrod who wanted to become a god to his subjects....just like satan.

He distinguished himself as a mighty hunter “before” (in an unfavorable sense; Heb., liph·nehʹ; “against” or “in opposition to” or “in front of” Jehovah. Jewish historian Josephus suggests that Nimrod was “a mighty hunter in defiance of Jehovah”. and his actions and attitude prove it.



I don’t think you know all the breeds of wolves.....some are made to look like wolves but are really sheep....just different to all the rest.....remember that Jesus and his disciples were made to look like the infidels, but they were promoters of the true faith, unlike the Pharisees who made themselves enemies of God....”teaching the commands of men as doctrines”.. (Matt 15:7-9)

Ask why Jesus said in Matt 5:11-12...
“Blessed are you when insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” (NASB)

He also warned his disciples....
“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me.” (John 15:18-21 NASB)

Why do they”not know the one who sent” him? Because Christendom has them worshipping one who is not God. History is repeating because the devil counts on our short memory....

Some today, look like sheep, but under the surface are still wolves....ready to take the most vulnerable as their prey....promoting false doctrines disguised as Bible truth. Unless you research carefully, you cannot have a “complete suit of armor”.
Those most vulnerable are those who read the Bible but have no understanding of its true meaning....no word studies to prove authenticity of translation......just told to accept their implied meaning. Are you one of them, Amigo?
Many others are swayed by emotion, not Scriptural truth. Faith is based on solid facts, but emotions can be manipulated, just like patriotic sentiments....to lead one in the opposite direction...it feels right but it isn’t.

beleive me you can identify the real from the false .
By their words and by their actions fruits .
And i have examined many . so lets see
i am gonna be as brief as possible and try and sum up large groups as a whole rather than list every name of every false leader .
SO here goes .
ANYTHING LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE , GOTTA GO .
ECUMEINCAL GOTTA GO .
now this is seen largest in THE NAR REALM AND THE RCC
but beleive you me its all over christendom .
We gots problems . My gospel is always been simple . my words simple .
BELEIVE YE ON JESUS and get noses into bibles to learn of HIM .
cause we got wolves in wool all over the place .
And believe you me THEY ALL OVER THE JW CAMP TOO
as well as others . SO my advice to all is
WE better know EXAcTLY what JESUS , what GOD we have been fo llwoing .
cause many are now preaching another jesus , which means they point to another god .
Ecumeincal lovey do hug everything , but the bible , HAS GOT T OGO .
time for correction , time to put a bible into the hand of every man woman and child
TIME to preach THE REAL JESUS , THE TRUE GOSPEL and to expose anything contrary and fast .

 

[amigo de christo]

With whom do you “gather together” Amigo? There has to be somewhere to direct the sheep.....otherwise they are all under one umbrella....”Christendom”...not “gathered together” at all but deliberately separated and disunited even though they all teach the same lies. Is God responsible for that? Or does he permit us all to be drawn to what our own heart desires? We have to fulfill the whole criteria of what being a “Christian” means. How many do?

You first have to identify the wolves Amigo....sometimes they are the ones who are fooling themselves, wearing a sheep suit given to them by their parents or others. It looks authentic on the surface....but soon the cracks appear...

How can you tell if a religion is part of “Babylon the great”? They will adhere to doctrines that originated in ancient Babylon under the influence of Nimrod, the first rebel after the flood. He and his cronies wanted to disobey God’s command to spread out and populate the earth....they wanted to stay put and build an empire to their own glory, so God confused their language and forced them to gather with those whose language they understood, and these went on to found nations, but they took their language and false religious beliefs with them....this why all false worship has the same foundational beliefs....and almost all have a flood legend.....beliefs formulated by Nimrod who wanted to become a god to his subjects....just like satan.

He distinguished himself as a mighty hunter “before” (in an unfavorable sense; Heb., liph·nehʹ; “against” or “in opposition to” or “in front of” Jehovah. Jewish historian Josephus suggests that Nimrod was “a mighty hunter in defiance of Jehovah”. and his actions and attitude prove it.



I don’t think you know all the breeds of wolves.....some are made to look like wolves but are really sheep....just different to all the rest.....remember that Jesus and his disciples were made to look like the infidels, but they were promoters of the true faith, unlike the Pharisees who made themselves enemies of God....”teaching the commands of men as doctrines”.. (Matt 15:7-9)

Ask why Jesus said in Matt 5:11-12...
“Blessed are you when insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” (NASB)

He also warned his disciples....
“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me.” (John 15:18-21 NASB)

Why do they”not know the one who sent” him? Because Christendom has them worshipping one who is not God. History is repeating because the devil counts on our short memory....

Some today, look like sheep, but under the surface are still wolves....ready to take the most vulnerable as their prey....promoting false doctrines disguised as Bible truth. Unless you research carefully, you cannot have a “complete suit of armor”.
Those most vulnerable are those who read the Bible but have no understanding of its true meaning....no word studies to prove authenticity of translation......just told to accept their implied meaning. Are you one of them, Amigo?
Many others are swayed by emotion, not Scriptural truth. Faith is based on solid facts, but emotions can be manipulated, just like patriotic sentiments....to lead one in the opposite direction...it feels right but it isn’t.

speaking of this babylone .
What was it they all went about to do in the land of shinar .
OH yeah
ITS LETS BE ONE PEOPLES and see if we can build a tower to heaven .
WELL HELLO ecumeincal intefiath progressive liberalism cloaked also in conservatisim and yeah EVEN TRUMPISM .
WE got problems mi dear lady . WE have Serious problems
and it seems t hat so few want to h elp . And even the few who do , ALWAYS TRY and RECRUIT ONE
to their own RELIGOIN , whether it be JW , MORMON or whatever other ism .
ME , I AM GONNA point NOT to baptisets , methodist , RCC , mormonism , jw , sda or any ohter ism .
JUST TO JESUS with the dire reminder , HEY OPEN BIBLE and learn OF HIM . fast too .

 

[amigo de christo]

i aint a baptist i aint of calvin i darn sure aint of the RCC
i aint of the JW or sda , or methodist
THIS SHEEP IS CHRISTAIN .
now spell out the first five letters of that , AND THAT IS WHO I AM GONNA POINT TOO .
NOT MEN , not their religoins or faiths
NOT to the jew ,
TO CHRIST . now lets start afresh and open that bible .
cause you would have been amazed at how simple this can be .
I do so with others . we never fight , we just enjoy and BELEIVE what we read .
BIBLE TIME . you are free to join us if you l ike .
BUT i do NOT want to hear your denomaintion . NONE of us talks of such .
WE talk of JESUs , HIS DOCTRINE , the apostels doctrine and all that lovely truth in said BIBLE .
AND BOY IS IT LOVELY . you would be amazed at how wonderful this is .

 

[Aunty Jane]

just rem ember , anyone in any way connected to this ecumenical movement
IS BEING and has been deceived .

I agree....JW’s are not and have never been part of this world or it’s false worship. We gather together under one banner...Bible truth, not swayed by loose translations that create contradiction, but solidly based on the whole Bible, not just cherry picked bits of it that suggest what Christendom wants to believe...

So do you mind if i ask you , what do you THINK about this statement i just made . Feel free to answer as you l ike .
What do you think about it . but know this , if ya h opes are in either the left or the right
YOU hoping in men arleady attached to it . TRUMP is NO EXCEPTION EITHER . they all DUPING US ALL .

We are completely non political....we live in the world, and what happens in this world is what God permits, so if we are affected, we take care of each other....and God does the rest...he has never let us down.

We are law abiding citizens whom you will not find filling the jails as criminals, though you may find us in jails witnessing to criminals in order to bring them to Christ. Many once violent men and women have put on a new personality and these have shown by their conduct that are changed individuals. They come out of prison as self-sufficient disciples of Christ, now willing to help others as they have been helped.

There are no political solutions to man’s problems, Amigo....anyone who promotes man’s rulership is promoting the one who rules this world behind the scenes, whom the Bible identifies as satan the devil. (1 John 5:19)

 

[Aunty Jane]

BELEIVE YE ON JESUS and get noses into bibles to learn of HIM .
cause we got wolves in wool all over the place .
And believe you me THEY ALL OVER THE JW CAMP TOO

I don’t think you know anything about us Amigo...only what you have heard or misconstrued....
I have been a keen Bible student now for over 5 decades and my research is thorough.....I will not accept anything that is taught to me without making sure that it is correct....in harmony with what the entirety of Scripture teaches.....that is why we have the whole Bible...not just the NT.

Have you done your own homework Amigo? From what you post, it seems as if you are a bit if a ‘Lone Ranger’ out there on a limb all by yourself....yet you agree with JW’s more than you disagree with us.....so I ask you...what do you really know about us from personal experience, rather than hear-say....remembering what happened to Jesus and his disciples in the early centuries?

WE better know EXAcTLY what JESUS , what GOD we have been fo llwoing .

I agree whole heartedly.....we have to know Jehovah and his Son if we want everlasting life. (John 17:3)
Only one of them is identified as “the only true God” by Jesus himself.....

cause many are now preaching another jesus , which means they point to another god .

Yes, a “god” that the Bible never speaks of....one that was not officially accepted until the 4th century when the RCC made the trinity an official “church” doctrine. Why did it take over 300 years to officially make Jesus into God? There was so much protest at first....so it was a gradual thing.....creeping in like a cancer into the church.

Ecumeincal lovey do hug everything , but the bible , HAS GOT T OGO .
time for correction , time to put a bible into the hand of every man woman and child
TIME to preach THE REAL JESUS , THE TRUE GOSPEL and to expose anything contrary and fast .

We are not in any way promoters of ecumenism.....we are completely separated from Christendom and hold no beliefs in common with them....what about you?

It is always a good time to talk about Jesus.....but who whom did Jesus talk about?
The true Gospel is about why God the Father “sent” his firstborn into the world to die for us.

There is no point in reading a translation that is altered from the original language, and promote it as truth.
“All Scripture is inspired of God” (2 Tim 3:16-17) but not all translations are inspired...they are the work of men.

You need to study the Bible....anyone can read it and put their own slant on it, as we see here all the time....they can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong and for the same reason.....who they accept to translate their Scripture....majority opinion is not what makes something right...but ‘lone rangers’ don’t either......Christianity is a global religion with a global brotherhood.....not just a local one where there is little argument....there has to be a central governing authority who uphold one truth, (1 Cor 1:10) as it has always been with God’s people down through time.

In ancient Israel they had those in positions of oversight so that things were conducted according to God’s Commands and individuals who sought to make up their own rules and beliefs, were not tolerated. Those who became proselytes had to abide by Jewish law and accept Jewish beliefs. None were permitted to bring in their own ideas.

In the first century there was a central governing body in Jerusalem made up of qualified elders as well as the apostles....these were the ones who determined what was truth and prevented individuals from infiltrating the congregations with their own ideas......that was true until the death of those apostles, when Jesus warned of a great apostasy, which manifested very early as the “Catholic” church, later to be commandeered by Constantine as the Roman Catholic Church. We can thank the RCC for the doctrines that dominate modern Christendom, teaching the same lies that it always has.

You accept those lies as truth Amigo.....why do you do that?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Funniest thing in this thread is the JW playing like they aren't deceived.

JWs are so deceived they don't even know they are deceived. That's pretty deceived right there

 

[Christian Soldier]

Sad you think it foolish and evil to Know and Say God Loves All of His Creations and Also Hates some of His Creations.

Mal 1:
[2]I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
[3] And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.



Pat on head little man, thinking it is all about you, you, you …and calling another “fool, fool, fool”…makes you a pleasing foot soldier unto the Lord God.

Matt 5:
[2] And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

[22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

May God Bless you with humility and His truth.

How did you manage to twist the meaning of Mal 1:2 to force it to include Esau, when the following verse 3 reveals that God hates Esau, and what He sopke in verse 1 was not directed at Esau and it didn't include him at all, but that exposes your twisted wicked theology so you have to presume upon the Lord.
You should never presume anything about the Lord, He revealed and communicated exactly what He wanted to, He doesn't need you superimposing your peverted narrative to anything he said.

As an elect Saint of God, it is my duty to defend the the truth of the gospel, from devils like you who spread lies and demonic doctrines in order to lead others to hell with you and your father.

Matt 5:22 doesn't apply here, because it's about being angry with your brother without a just cause. You have two problems here, first of all you're not my brother because you don't believe on the Lord Jesus. Secondly I'm not angry with you, without a just cause for my anger. God is angry with the wicked everyday and so am I.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Funniest thing in this thread is the JW playing like they aren't deceived.

JWs are so deceived they don't even know they are deceived. That's pretty deceived right there

Almost as funny as those in Christendom acting like they aren’t deceived either...Jesus will let us all know soon enough....I can wait...

 

[Taken]

How did you manage to twist the meaning of Mal 1:2 to force it to include Esau, when the following verse 3 reveals that God hates Esau, and what He sopke in verse 1 was not directed at Esau and it didn't include him at all…

LOL…
It was a comment specifically ABOUT Esau…

but that exposes your twisted wicked theology so you have to presume upon the Lord.
You should never presume anything about the Lord, He revealed and communicated exactly what He wanted to, He doesn't need you superimposing your peverted narrative to anything he said.

As an elect Saint of God,

…

More precisely…. Hypocrite.

it is my duty to defend the the truth of the gospel, from devils like you who spread lies and demonic doctrines in order to lead others to hell with you and your father.

The truth is… God loved Esau and God hated Esau.

The truth is…you are fixated on constantly revealing your HATE by making your madeup False accusatory LIES while pretending that is Serving the Lord.

You are only fooling yourself.
God and everyone on this platform who bothers to read your ridiculous hypocritical false accusatory nonsense can plainly see your hypocrisy.

Advice… close your vile mouth, give your arm a rest from all your self-back patting….call on the Lord, open your ears and listen.

 

[Taken]

How did you manage to twist the meaning of Mal 1:2 to force it to include Esau, when the following verse 3 reveals that God hates Esau, and what He sopke in verse 1 was not directed at Esau and it didn't include him at all…

LOL…
It was a comment specifically ABOUT Esau…

but that exposes your twisted wicked theology so you have to presume upon the Lord.
You should never presume anything about the Lord, He revealed and communicated exactly what He wanted to, He doesn't need you superimposing your peverted narrative to anything he said.

As an elect Saint of God,

…

More precisely…. Hypocrite.

it is my duty to defend the the truth of the gospel, from devils like you who spread lies and demonic doctrines in order to lead others to hell with you and your father.

The truth is… God loved Esau and God hated Esau.

The truth is…you are fixated on constantly revealing your HATE by making your madeup False accusatory LIES while pretending that is Serving the Lord.

You are only fooling yourself.
God and everyone on this platform who bothers to read your ridiculous hypocritical false accusatory nonsense can plainly see your hypocrisy.

Advice… close your vile mouth, give your arm a rest from all your self-back patting….call on the Lord, open your ears, listen and learn.

 

[amigo de christo]

I don’t think you know anything about us Amigo...only what you have heard or misconstrued....
I have been a keen Bible student now for over 5 decades and my research is thorough.....I will not accept anything that is taught to me without making sure that it is correct....in harmony with what the entirety of Scripture teaches.....that is why we have the whole Bible...not just the NT.

Have you done your own homework Amigo? From what you post, it seems as if you are a bit if a ‘Lone Ranger’ out there on a limb all by yourself....yet you agree with JW’s more than you disagree with us.....so I ask you...what do you really know about us from personal experience, rather than hear-say....remembering what happened to Jesus and his disciples in the early centuries?

I agree whole heartedly.....we have to know Jehovah and his Son if we want everlasting life. (John 17:3)
Only one of them is identified as “the only true God” by Jesus himself.....

Yes, a “god” that the Bible never speaks of....one that was not officially accepted until the 4th century when the RCC made the trinity an official “church” doctrine. Why did it take over 300 years to officially make Jesus into God? There was so much protest at first....so it was a gradual thing.....creeping in like a cancer into the church.

We are not in any way promoters of ecumenism.....we are completely separated from Christendom and hold no beliefs in common with them....what about you?

It is always a good time to talk about Jesus.....but who whom did Jesus talk about?
The true Gospel is about why God the Father “sent” his firstborn into the world to die for us.

There is no point in reading a translation that is altered from the original language, and promote it as truth.
“All Scripture is inspired of God” (2 Tim 3:16-17) but not all translations are inspired...they are the work of men.

You need to study the Bible....anyone can read it and put their own slant on it, as we see here all the time....they can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong and for the same reason.....who they accept to translate their Scripture....majority opinion is not what makes something right...but ‘lone rangers’ don’t either......Christianity is a global religion with a global brotherhood.....not just a local one where there is little argument....there has to be a central governing authority who uphold one truth, (1 Cor 1:10) as it has always been with God’s people down through time.

In ancient Israel they had those in positions of oversight so that things were conducted according to God’s Commands and individuals who sought to make up their own rules and beliefs, were not tolerated. Those who became proselytes had to abide by Jewish law and accept Jewish beliefs. None were permitted to bring in their own ideas.

In the first century there was a central governing body in Jerusalem made up of qualified elders as well as the apostles....these were the ones who determined what was truth and prevented individuals from infiltrating the congregations with their own ideas......that was true until the death of those apostles, when Jesus warned of a great apostasy, which manifested very early as the “Catholic” church, later to be commandeered by Constantine as the Roman Catholic Church. We can thank the RCC for the doctrines that dominate modern Christendom, teaching the same lies that it always has.

You accept those lies as truth Amigo.....why do you do that?

many can lay cliam to being a keen bible studier of the bible . but you know what i have found to be true ,
that really many of them sat under men and learned their doctrine and actually made changes to said bible .
As far as a governing body , TRUE ones alone are that body . Not wolves in wool .
And when you say I NEED to st udy the bible cause anyone can put their own slant on it
What you really mean is I NEED to learn of your men . But
i do seem to notice a massive uptick on this from many now . But what they mean by s tudy
is learn our greek , heed our scholars . And sadly upon quick examination had , I seen that
many actually use the greek , use hermeneutics , use strifes over words , TO JUSITFY
why they and their group does something CONTRARY to what is and was originally written .
This happens a whole lot more than you realize .

 

[amigo de christo]

Funniest thing in this thread is the JW playing like they aren't deceived.

JWs are so deceived they don't even know they are deceived. That's pretty deceived right there

and they are not alone either .
Many have this problem you wrote about my friend .
But then the deceived do not know they are decieved .
There is a real simple childlike faith solution for all of this .
How about we all open our bible again , start afresh , read it with others
and stay in JUST that doctrine and see what begins to occur .
I am very concerned and very worried for many in this generation
and i speak not just of those in the world , but of many in churches .
WE have a serious problem . but there is a real simple so lution .
Let us learn OF CHRIST in the bible and of all things .
Read it daily and in t ime one will begin to see
what by grace God let me see long ago when he had me doing just this .
OH NO christendom is in dire trouble . We cannot help the blind
if we are blinded to another image of another jesus and thus another god .
But scripture coupled with the HOLY GHOST
sure has a way of clearing THINGS UP . And much quicker than one would think .