Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 1

[Lizbeth]

A good example of this is Israel's deliverance from bondage and being tested in the wilderness. They made the first cut but they ultimately failed to enter into the promised land. We should fear lest the same fate come upon us. Jude warns us:

Jude 5: I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Just I think we must not forget that it also says in Heb 4 "we which have believed do enter rest". We have rested, ceased, from our previous evil works of iniquity. All true believers have entered His rest and yet at the same time are on the way there for those who haven't yet entered in fact. In the same sense where it says all things have been put under the feet of Christ yet we do not yet "see" all things put under Him.

Heb 3 and 4 are expounding the gospel to the Jews, from the wilderness saga of the children of Israel. But also I consider whether those passages are speaking at the same time on another level for those who already believe.....another level of rest that "remaineth" which we can enter into. Alluded to in 1 Cor. 13....a more excellent way when that which is perfect is come.

 

[Lizbeth]

You are missing the point completely. This is not about religious beliefs, it's about the kind of faith that gets you translated into the higher walk...in the Spirit in Zion. Very few if any modern evangelicals believe that they can walk in the perfection of Christ. So they don't believe that with Christ we can do ALL things.

You are among such unbelievers. You like it when people think I'm crazy for testifying to a walk in the victory of Christ...by translation to walk IN Him. The Promised land we are to enter is in the kingdom realm where Jesus is. In Him is no sin. In Him we partake of HIS holiness.

You are missing the point that Amigo is addressing the false belief and teaching that unbelievers can be saved by their own righteousness/good works.

 

[amigo de christo]

The problem is that you misunderstand what is being said. No one is speaking of "many" faiths. They are simply pointing out the fact that there are different levels and measures of the single faith.

I know that my friend . In fact our faith is always growing .
BUT KNOW THIS
if that faith IS NOT N JESUS CHRIST , it is Not only not growing , ITS DEAD as a door nail faith .
See what JESUS preached in scripture again .
See what the apostels preached again .
See and be refreshed in the pages of the holy scriptures .
You will see a far different approach on their view towards sins and errors IN the church . VERY grave they were .
AND you will see a HUGE Difference in their direction towards the preaching OF JESUS
verses todays direction . A huge difference . THEY left no room for doubt at all . IT WAS BELEIVE or PERISH .
Now you go and you see whether i am right or wrong about that .
And they warned also of preaching another jesus .
Another jesus , A jesus that contradicts the words of JESUS . THAT IS ANOTHER JESUS .

 

[shepherdsword]

Just I think we must not forget that it also says in Heb 4 "we which have believed do enter rest". We have rested, ceased, from our previous evil works of iniquity. All true believers have entered His rest and yet at the same time are on the way there for those who haven't yet entered in fact. In the same sense where it says all things have been put under the feet of Christ yet we do not yet "see" all things put under Him.

Heb 3 and 4 are expounding the gospel to the Jews, from the wilderness saga of the children of Israel. But also I consider whether those passages are speaking at the same time on another level for those who already believe.....another level of rest that "remaineth" which we can enter into. Alluded to in 1 Cor. 13....a more excellent way when that which is perfect is come.

You have the cart before the horse. Don't ignore the warning like so many do and assume they have something they don't.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Notice the "us"? If we automatically enter in, why is there a warning? And don't claim the warning is for unbelievers as the author includes himself.

 

[Lizbeth]

Jude shows that there are multiple levels of belief. They had the faith to leave the land and cross the red sea...they didn't have the faith to enter the land. We are to grow from faith to faith.

Ro 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

You see, the humble receive MORE grace:

Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

I agree, subject to the Lord........as long as we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater as some do here.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are missing the point that Amigo is addressing the false belief and teaching that unbelievers can be saved by their own righteousness/good works.

its upticking again sister . You should see some other places .
Many now desire to beleive that all will be sav ed no matter if they believed on HIM or not .
Its going to continue to only increase . I have done by grace that which i could .
And will by grace continue to do so , so long as breath be in these lungs .
ON the DAY , yes the DAY OF THE LORD JESUS
ALL will stand before him . And HOW i shudder in fear
for those who tried to go around the YE MUST BLEIEVE ON HIM .
OH how i truly fear for those .
As for me , WHO you think i am going to continue to point too .
AND do so with a reminder
That I , WE , nor any can do ANYTHING without HIM , without faith in HIM .
That all need to repent and beleive ON HIM and to return to the scriptures to learn and grow .
ITS CHRIST this sheep going to point too sister .
With the same reminders of CHRIST and later of the apostels .
And guess what that reminder is and was they preached .
THE DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON JESUS , OR PERISH .
their is no middle . ITS one or the other . THEY KNEW THAT sister .
JESUS first said it and later if we read acts and other letters
WE SEE the same message . THEIR HOPE was IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE . so too shall be ours sister
For without HIM we can do nothing , and without faith in HIM there will be NO JUSTIFICATION
and no redemption , only trees whose fruit is t wice dead and at their end is destruction .
JESUS for me sister . AND by grace OH HOW I KNOW I NEED HIM AT ALL TIMES and can do absolutely
nothing without HIM . I only wish more and more would have come to the simplicity of THE TRUTH
and of the LOVE of GOD found ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST .

 

[Marvelloustime]

its upticking again sister . You should see some other places .
Many now desire to beleive that all will be sav ed no matter if they believed on HIM or not .
Its going to continue to only increase . I have done by grace that which i could .
And will by grace continue to do so , so long as breath be in these lungs .
ON the DAY , yes the DAY OF THE LORD JESUS
ALL will stand before him . And HOW i shudder in fear
for those who tried to go around the YE MUST BLEIEVE ON HIM .
OH how i truly fear for those .
As for me , WHO you think i am going to continue to point too .
AND do so with a reminder
That I , WE , nor any can do ANYTHING without HIM , without faith in HIM .
That all need to repent and beleive ON HIM and to return to the scriptures to learn and grow .
ITS CHRIST this sheep going to point too sister .
With the same reminders of CHRIST and later of the apostels .
And guess what that reminder is and was they preached .
THE DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON JESUS , OR PERISH .
their is no middle . ITS one or the other . THEY KNEW THAT sister .
JESUS first said it and later if we read acts and other letters
WE SEE the same message . THEIR HOPE was IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE . so too shall be ours sister
For without HIM we can do nothing , and without faith in HIM there will be NO JUSTIFICATION
and no redemption , only trees whose fruit is t wice dead and at their end is destruction .
JESUS for me sister . AND by grace OH HOW I KNOW I NEED HIM AT ALL TIMES and can do absolutely
nothing without HIM . I only wish more and more would have come to the simplicity of THE TRUTH
and of the LOVE of GOD found ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

You have the cart before the horse. Don't ignore the warning like so many do and assume they have something they don't.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Notice the "us"? If we automatically enter in, why is there a warning? And don't claim the warning is for unbelievers as the author includes himself.

continue IN HIM to the end .
And let us notice what John himself said
IF what you have heard from the beginning shall REMAIN IN YOU , then YOU shall continue in the SON and in the FATHER .
I NEVER HEARD JESUS say HEY all other religoins are coming to the same GOD as ours or as HIS .
NO SIR he didnt even give the jews a pass . GODS own peoples who had been called out
and according to the flesh were children of abraham . HE DID NOT EVEN GIVE THEM A PASS
but said IF YOU beleive NOT that I AM HE then you WILL , not might , not maybe , BUT WILL DIE in your sins .
HE even tells them , AS THEY CRIED WE HAVE ONE FATHER we be not born of fornication .,,
YE are , notice he does not say , ALL COMING TO GOD in different ways
HE said ye are of your father THE DEVIL . Notice he did not say OH they serving god in their own ways .
That interfaith of anti christ ecemincal doctrine, GOTTA GO . its leading all to the second death and can free
none and save none .

 

[shepherdsword]

continue IN HIM to the end .
And let us notice what John himself said
IF what you have heard from the beginning shall REMAIN IN YOU , then YOU shall continue in the SON and in the FATHER .
I NEVER HEARD JESUS say HEY all other religoins are coming to the same GOD as ours or as HIS .
NO SIR he didnt even give the jews a pass . GODS own peoples who had been called out
and according to the flesh were children of abraham . HE DID NOT EVEN GIVE THEM A PASS
but said IF YOU beleive NOT that I AM HE then you WILL , not might , not maybe , BUT WILL DIE in your sins .
HE even tells them , AS THEY CRIED WE HAVE ONE FATHER we be not born of fornication .,,
YE are , notice he does not say , ALL COMING TO GOD in different ways
HE said ye are of your father THE DEVIL . Notice he did not say OH they serving god in their own ways .
That interfaith of anti christ ecemincal doctrine, GOTTA GO . its leading all to the second death and can free
none and save none .

Who is saying that? Certainly not me. All I said was when Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me" He wasn't establishing religious dogma. He was saying " I AM the one who decides who comes to the Father" Do you agree that Jesus is the one who decides our fate?

 

[amigo de christo]

You are missing the point that Amigo is addressing the false belief and teaching that unbelievers can be saved by their own righteousness/good works.

You cant even get the man to say ONE MUST FIRST BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Rather he attacks those and calls their gospel , RELIGIOUS DOGMA .
But remember , ITS NOT ME who first said it
and its not me who is denying THE ONE WHO DID . yes that would be JESUS THE CHRIST
and later all them apostels would do the same.
So this may seem hard to fathom for some
BUT if one is attacking the very words and doctrine that one brings and THOSE WORDS
and that doctrine IS OF JESUS ,
any guesses on who they really attack . WHY its the WORD OF GOD .
Like i said , THE WORD of GOD is on trial in many churches today .
And the verdict is , OUT WITH IT and give us the new stuff .
And my my my that is not gonna bode well for them ON HIS DAY . Thus
i truly pray that many repent of that and fast .

 

[amigo de christo]

Who is saying that? Certainly not me. All I said was when Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me" He wasn't establishing religious dogma. He was saying " I AM the one who decides who comes to the Father" Do you agree that Jesus is the one who decides our fate?

I never said YOU said it . EPI DOES . so my advice to you STOP heeding in any way that man , IF you are heeding him .
And as far as JESUS decides our fate .
HE DOES . Now HE came to save the world that all who do beleive on HIM would be saved
BUT ITS HIS WORDS , HIS WORD that will be the judge of all who rejected Him .
MY WORDS shall be HIS JUDGE on the last day .
BIG warning right there . And i sure do seem to notice
that not only did Jesus talk about doing good
HE sure seemed to say WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING
and that if one BELIEVES NOT that HE IS the CHRIST , oh they gonna perish all right .
Now why do i say that .
Because JESUS said it
And IF JESUS said it , WELL BELIEVE YOU ME IT CAME OF GOD , HIS WORDS .
AND thus why do i beleive it
CAUSE GOD CANNOT LIE . oh but believe you me the serpent can and will . And he gonna make
the road to WHO he cliams is GOD very very sin accepting and Broad . a path of UNBELEIEF .
ONLY , THAT ROAD DONT lead to GOD , the broad ROAD leads elsehwere , as in TO DEStrUCTION .

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree, subject to the Lord........as long as we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater as some do here.

any who preaches the path that omits the dire necessity to FIRST beleive on JESUS CHRIST
HAS NOT submitted unto the righteoussness OF GOD . no they do as did the unbelieving jews
Believing they can attain it by their own means .
As for me , I CAN ATTAIN NOT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD , LEST BY CHRIST JESUS .
In fact NO ONE CAN .
None can be justified by the works of the law , for by the deeds of the law SHALL NOT FLESH be justified in his sight .
NOW CHRIST IS THE END of that law . HE is our righteousness as we are made the righteousness of GOD IN HIM .
Therre simply is no other hope , no other name whereby one may be saved .
And if one believes not on HIM it is because THERE IS NO TRUTH in them .
Therre is the SPIRIT of TRUTH and the spririt of error . AND the two WILL NEVER BE BLENDED .
Thus what i mean by that is this
IF one claims to BELIEVE ON HIM but then preaches UNBELEIF . It proves they only really
beleived in UNBELEIF . cause had they TRULY BELEIVED ON HIM to be saved
THEY had preached that same message to ALL for them to be saved .
NOT some other lily on hill song and dance of unbeleif . it cannot be both and will not be both .
ITS ONE or the other . EITHER WE DO BELIEVE , which means we had bELEIVED HIS WORDS
or we DO NOT believe and only fool ourselves . As for me
By grace this sheep do BELEIVE and thus SEEING i T RULY BELEIVE I DO NEED JESUS TO BE SAVED
GUESS who i am going to point all men to , so as they can be saved . JESUS THE CHRIST . its real simple sister .

 

[Lizbeth]

You have the cart before the horse. Don't ignore the warning like so many do and assume they have something they don't.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Notice the "us"? If we automatically enter in, why is there a warning? And don't claim the warning is for unbelievers as the author includes himself.

I believe it is imputed to the believer at any stage along the way as long as we are following Christ.......we are not under the curse of the Law. My understanding from scripture is whether one fails to hold fast their confidence to the end, and grows weary to the point of giving up, or losing their patience and or falls away as they get near the end of the journey.....we need to endure to the end....it seems to be like another level or round of testing/trial /temptation/ battle near the end when we are most vulnerable ........as there are several warnings along those lines because the Bridegroom seems a long time coming.....servants beating their fellow servants etc....and we have the allegory of the Israelites falling into idolatry when Moses seemed a long time coming back down from the mountain. (sounds like the modern church to me, in these last days)....so yes we need to fear the Lord lest we fail in those ways that scripture warns about pertaining to the end. On an individual level, I see this as needing to overcome the last things that need to be overcome in our lives/hearts.....and the Lord helps us as we continue to look to Him and seek Him for His help. We are helpless without Him and realizing that causes us to look to Him as we come to the end of ourselves.

 

[Lizbeth]

You have the cart before the horse. Don't ignore the warning like so many do and assume they have something they don't.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Notice the "us"? If we automatically enter in, why is there a warning? And don't claim the warning is for unbelievers as the author includes himself.

"should SEEM to come short of it" I completely agree we should not assume we are walking in what has been imputed to us........we need to know and learn and honestly acknowledge the difference and seek to enter into and walk in all that has been so graciously imputed to us. The Israelites were not left to just rest on their laurels and camp out permanently on the shore of the Red Sea after crossing it.....they were to keep picking up stakes following the leading of the Lord all the way to the end of what was promised to them..

 

[amigo de christo]

"should SEEM to come short of it" I completely agree we should not assume we are walking in what has been imputed to us........we need to know and learn and honestly acknowledge the difference and seek to enter into and walk in all that has been so graciously imputed to us. The Israelites were not left to just rest on their laurels and camp out permanently on the shore of the Red Sea after crossing it.....they were to keep picking up stakes following the leading of the Lord all the way to the end of what was promised to them..

Yes we should examine ourselves daily .
You wanna hear something so simple a five year old can grasp it .
HOW do we know we do and we are .
Well if one saw a child and a father walking down a path
and the child then steered out of his fathers foot steps and unto another path
TELL ME is that child STILL FOLLOWING HIS FATHER or has He strayed and needs correction
a reminder of love TO get back on the path and continue to follow .
And do keep in mind
ITS impossible that one is following CHRIST
if one is walking in rebellion TO HIS OWN WORDS . NO man has seen HIM .
IF only this people had got into the scriptures .
IF only many had the LOVE OF GOD shed upon their hearts BY THE HOLY GHOST
which would have loved TRUTH . but many have not submitted TO the righteousness of GOD
Found only IN CHRIST JESUS . so no spirit can guide or even lead them . We gots to preach JESUS to all

 

[Episkopos]

The problem is that you misunderstand what is being said. No one is speaking of "many" faiths. They are simply pointing out the fact that there are different levels and measures of the single faith.

This misunderstanding happens for a reason. The reason is unbelief of the truth. The irony here is that the virtue-signalling and judgmentalism of the poster boomerangs, so to speak, back onto the purveyor of religious conformism, PROVING that such a one is fully outside the faith OF Christ. The faith being shown by such is a religious belief system that was condemned by Jesus...because it comes from the ego. Many will say Lord, Lord. And we are seeing this in real time...and shockingly there is NO FEAR of the Lord....therefore the condemnation remains.

 

[Episkopos]

You have the cart before the horse. Don't ignore the warning like so many do and assume they have something they don't.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Notice the "us"? If we automatically enter in, why is there a warning? And don't claim the warning is for unbelievers as the author includes himself.

Very good. We see that the warnings are clearly toward those who are the called in Christ. But most will NOT fear. They will stamp with their hooves and stiffen their necks EXACTLY as the Jews did before them. No difference. Will they see that and repent? NO! The prophecies stand up even when read right before them. Having ears they can't hear...and the reading skills??? atrocious.

 

[amigo de christo]

This misunderstanding happens for a reason. The reason is unbelief of the truth. The irony here is that the virtue-signalling and judgmentalism of the poster boomerangs, so to speak, back onto the purveyor of religious conformism, PROVING that such a one is fully outside the faith OF Christ. The faith being shown by such is a religious belief system that was condemned by Jesus...because it comes from the ego. Many will say Lord, Lord. And we are seeing this in real time...and shockingly there is NO FEAR of the Lord....therefore the condemnation remains.

Epi look again at what you just wrote . This sounds more like a confession . for it is YOU that has been doing
exactly what you are accusing others of doing .
I do not see the fear of the LORD at all in you .
I see rather a judgment being pronounced against HIM . HEY , HE IS THE ONE WHO SAID YE MUST BLEIEVE .
And ego is the one that says , OH this can be done without HAVING to have had to BELIEVE ON JESUS .
I been saying all along , WE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS .
Not like you that attacks this . The cart before the horse epi . ITS not me nor she doing that
Its you . One simply cannot do in spirit and in truth what IS required by GOD
LEST THAT ONE WALKS BY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST whom GOD did send .
SO enough with the attacking of those who simply remind WE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON HIM .
cause i myself have long warned against this false hyper grace etc
BUT I DONT THEN COMPOUND THE ERROR by IM PLYING this can be done WITHOUT FAITH IN , without
first BELIEVIN ON CHRIST .
ITS all in vain epi if one BELEIVES NOT FIRST ON JESUS THE CHRIST . its nothing more than an ego
self righteous attempt at doing good or etc , IF ONE does not FIRST submit to the RIGHTEOUSNESS
of GOD . WHICH IS attained ONLY BY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
now LEARN that fast .

 

[Episkopos]

You have the cart before the horse. Don't ignore the warning like so many do and assume they have something they don't.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Notice the "us"? If we automatically enter in, why is there a warning? And don't claim the warning is for unbelievers as the author includes himself.

It's amazing how willfully blind many are here.

Epi look again at what you just wrote . This sounds more like a confession . for it is YOU that has been doing
exactly what you are accusing others of doing .

You aren't seeing the shallowness of your beliefs. I testify to the resurrection life and power of Christ...and you rail against other religions. You are a spiritual thumb-sucker so to speak...and you argue the wetness of puddles against river systems. You are that blind to your true condition. And no one can help you. They can only high-five your shocking ignorance of the truth...by others who are just as blind to the truth as you are.

I do not see the fear of the LORD at all in you .

Of course not...because I don't revel in milk drinking. I'm not a baby believer as you are.

I see rather a judgment being pronounced against HIM . HEY , HE IS THE ONE WHO SAID YE MUST BLEIEVE .
And ego is the one that says , OH this can be done without HAVING to have had to BELIEVE ON JESUS .
I been saying all along , WE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS .
Not like you that attacks this . The cart before the horse epi . ITS not me nor she doing that
Its you . One simply cannot do in spirit and in truth what IS required by GOD
LEST THAT ONE WALKS BY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST whom GOD did send .
SO enough with the attacking of those who simply remind WE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON HIM .
cause i myself have long warned against this false hyper grace etc
BUT I DONT THEN COMPOUND THE ERROR by IM PLYING this can be done WITHOUT FAITH IN , without
first BELIEVIN ON CHRIST .
ITS all in vain epi if one BELEIVES NOT FIRST ON JESUS THE CHRIST . its nothing more than an ego
self righteous attempt at doing good or etc , IF ONE does not FIRST submit to the RIGHTEOUSNESS
of GOD . WHICH IS attained ONLY BY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
now LEARN that fast .

Always stuck in baby mode. But what you fail to understand is that you are feeding a religious ego...seeking to destroy what is precious to God in favour of making you FEEL more saved than others. perfect hypocrisy.

Go back and read your identical sounding posts...thousands of them...all virtue-signalling how important it is to wear the proper diapers and such. You reveal both your own shallowness and that of others here. And I warn you, not because I'm against baby believers...but against those who rail against taking any steps beyond the baby stage.

You are unable to hear anything beyond a beginner's testimony...because that's all you have. And you don't have the sense to learn and listen and be quiet when faced with something that comes from the Lord that you don't understand. Will you ever learn?

 

[Episkopos]

God has hidden the path of the truth from those who seek salvation for themselves and are willing to judge others who don't believe as they do. They have been outsmarted by the Lord in their "wise choice" to be believers in Jesus. Many will say...Lord Lord... but those very same rejected ones are here, NOT fearing the Lord, and always claiming that the warnings are for others. Not wise. Foolish children.