How many former Catholics are here?

[JesusFan]

Further to the above, SDA church has held to 1844 despite yours and numerous others objections. For 160 years. Many of Ellen White's visions were 'open' , in other words in the middle of meetings and in the company of others, including skeptics. Doctors present verified she didn't breathe, and her eyes unblinking, and she had thy strength to hold at arms length a large full sized family Bible and quote from pages facing away from her. For over an hour. Adventism was established in the open for all to witness. Not in the secret chambers such as Mormons and JWs. Of you are going to criticize, do your own investigation and not leave it to others and then quote their ignorance.

She held to another jesus, another Gospel, so the "angels" who spoke to her were same as to Joseph Smith, false ones

 

[Brakelite]

Michael was and is a created arch angel,

I agree. I do have two questions however.
1. From the use of the original language used, please prove that all angels are created beings.

2. Again, using the same meaning, what exactly is an arch angel?

 

[Brakelite]

She held to another jesus, another Gospel

You would have evidence from her own writings that this is so of course, otherwise you wouldn't dare suggest it right? I mean, if you are wrong, then you are setting yourself up in combat against God's true prophet....

 

[JesusFan]

You would have evidence from her own writings that this is so of course, otherwise you wouldn't dare suggest it right? I mean, if you are wrong, then you are setting yourself up in combat against God's true prophet....

The ONLY true prophets and Apostles of God are the Ones recorded down in the Bible period

 

[JesusFan]

I agree. I do have two questions however.
1. From the use of the original language used, please prove that all angels are created beings.

2. Again, using the same meaning, what exactly is an arch angel?

Only God, the Trinity, are eternal uncrated Persons , and arch angel would be the head angel, but not God

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

please prove that all angels are created beings.

You think some angels are on God's level?

That's funny there, and not in a good way.

God is the only One Who was not created, all other beings are created by God

 

[Brakelite]

You think some angels are on God's level?

That's funny there, and not in a good way.

God is the only One Who was not created, all other beings are created by God

Just answer the question. It's very basic, but answer thee question from an understanding of the true meaning of the word, angel., or in the original language, What does it mean?
ἄγγελος aggelos ang’-el-os

No presumptions. No assumptions. No preloaded bias. Simply, what does angel mean?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Just answer the question. It's very basic, but answer thee question from an understanding of the true meaning of the word, angel., or in the original language, What does it mean?
ἄγγελος aggelos ang’-el-os

No presumptions. No assumptions. No preloaded bias. Simply, what does angel mean?

Angel certainly does not mean Creator.
That's all I need to know.

They are not on God's level and they are created beings. They are God's slaves, His servants.
The ones that rebelled against God are satan's slaves and servants.

Angel worship ends badly so I highly recommend that you repent of that sin.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Angels take orders from God...

Psalm 103:20
Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of His word.

1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels?

The Body of Christ shall judge angels so we are above them!

As a born again Christian I'm IN CHRIST so angels are below me and serve the Lord by serving me.

Ephesians 1:17-23
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

I even have a personal angel that the Lord assigned to me when I was a baby

Matthew 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[rockytopva]

I started a new thread... Every church has heresy... Heresy is acquired simply by walking in the flesh rather than the Spirit...

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies... - Galatians 5

I am a member of the Pentecostal Holiness church. In time I believed we had the best thing going. Take us out of the Spirit and into the flesh... And we are as bad as everyone else. It has amazed me to have dwelt in a church that I considered doctrinally perfect, only to see another generation arise and bring all the imperfections of the flesh with it.

As far as some of these denominations... Yes I believe they are Christian... But some of the doctrines are in error because those who wrote the doctrines were thinking independently of their own mind and not from the actual Spirit of God. And I believe that particularly happened in the Catholic church in some of those teachings... The Catholic Church... Christian... Yes? But susceptible to error as well.

And Michael Servetus, before being toasted by Calvinist, said these words...

"I consider it a serious matter to kill men because they are in error on some question of scriptural interpretation, when we know that even the elect ones may be led astray into error." - Michael Servetus

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Heresy is acquired simply by walking in the flesh rather than the Spirit...

Which God's Word teaches us not to do.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies... - Galatians 5

Those that love the Lord don't participate in these kind of things.

If they do they are no longer saved. They must confess and forsake their sin in order to come back in to a right relationship with the Lord once again

To say they are still in right standing with the Lord while living in sin is making Jesus out to be a minister of sin

Galatians 2:17
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Take us out of the Spirit and into the flesh... And we are as bad as everyone else.

Does that happen a lot at your church?

As far as some of these denominations... Yes I believe they are Christian... But some of the doctrines are in error because those who wrote the doctrines were thinking independently of their own mind and not from the actual Spirit of God.

So you think a person can walk in and teach false doctrine which obviously comes from the devil and still be in right standing with the Lord?

And Michael Servetus, before being toasted by Calvinist, said these words...

"I consider it a serious matter to kill men because they are in error on some question of scriptural interpretation, when we know that even the elect ones may be led astray into error." - Michael Servetus

In the end he was closer to the Lord than the calvinists were

That's obvious because the Lord did not teach in His Word for Christians to go out and murder those who disagree with us.

 

[rockytopva]

Which God's Word teaches us not to do.




Those that love the Lord don't participate in these kind of things.

If they do they are no longer saved. They must confess and forsake their sin in order to come back in to a right relationship with the Lord once again

To say they are still in right standing with the Lord while living in sin is making Jesus out to be a minister of sin

Galatians 2:17
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.




Does that happen a lot at your church?




So you think a person can walk in and teach false doctrine which obviously comes from the devil and still be in right standing with the Lord?




In the end he was closer to the Lord than the calvinists were

That's obvious because the Lord did not teach in His Word for Christians to go out and murder those who disagree with us.

Yes... Christians can go bad. But here... We must approach the matter without making the whole bunch out as bad. I do not care for the Adventist but here I must give an argument against it without calling the whole bunch out as bad.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yes... Christians can go bad. But here... We must approach the matter without making the whole bunch out as bad. I do not care for the Adventist but here I must give an argument against it without calling the whole bunch out as bad.

Did Jesus and Paul take this position with the judaizers?

I seem to remember some things Jesus and Paul said that painted the whole mess of them as not being servants of the Lord.

 

[rockytopva]

Did Jesus and Paul take this position with the judaizers?

I seem to remember some things Jesus and Paul said that painted the whole mess of them as not being servants of the Lord.

What Christian movement do you adhere to?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What Christian movement do you adhere to?

I adhere to the be led by the Holy Ghost based on what God says in His Word movement.

In the last days it's a very small movement that is actually shrinking as more and more depart from the faith to follow doctrines of devils.

God's Word foretells this

 

[rockytopva]

I adhere to the be led by the Holy Ghost based on what God says in His Word movement.

In the last days it's a very small movement that is actually shrinking as more and more depart from the faith to follow doctrines of devils.

God's Word foretells this

And the judgement of the Christ...

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. - Matthew 13

Calling out witchcraft may be correct, but not so if you are condemning the whole nine yards as well.

 

[rockytopva]

I am not Catholic... Have no interest in joining... But what I cannot do is call out the whole nine yards as evil because I have seen bad in some of the yards.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Vatican II was seen as progressive at the start. coming into this world and a issue with numbers was at stake, to grow the RCC or not ? I would say was why they went that way.

Back then a lot of RCC People were totaly angered at the creation of Vatican II. and they left or stayed on, but did not swallow it all.

What happened was that the next generation was lost, as they did not have Christ Jesus as the foremost issue in their lives !

So what I seen with my Dads elder brother and his Wife were full on RCC ! Church every day regardless ! and the same with Dads Sister as well ! but non of their Children wanted anything to do with such, they hated it all ! my dads brother was deeply hurt by that !

But Uncle and Aunty's did not like any of the Popes ! as I would quote Popes to them or the RCC Catechism or RCC Canon Law. but they had no regards for such. They just followed along with their Priest and Dads Sister was of an Order.

I was thinking that I would like to join The Franciscan Order but The Order had nothing to do with St Frances at all truly.

All of the Priest came across to me, as if they had no true regards Christ Jesus and that they were trying to undermine and destroy the Church from within ! and as the years went by such only got worse and worse ! untill it only became a Socialist union dominated fast !

Not to mention who could look to Pope Francis as a Christian at all !
I liked Pope Ben and before he became The Pope, he was the last worthy listening to. and the MS Media totaly hated him and Pope JP II ! they wer just as they are with President D, J, Trump in fact, total warfair 24/7 !
But when Pope Frances came about, Then the MS Media were totaly in bed with him ! same deal with the Idiot Socialist Pope we have now !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I am not Catholic... Have no interest in joining... But what I cannot do is call out the whole nine yards as evil because I have seen bad in some of the yards.

I see it the same, I care not what Denomination one is, but for their own personal faith in Christ Jesus.

I found out that all Churches are just a Buisness first and foremost.

 

[Brakelite]

Angel certainly does not mean Creator.
That's all I need to know.

They are not on God's level and they are created beings. They are God's slaves, His servants.
The ones that rebelled against God are satan's slaves and servants.

Angel worship ends badly so I highly recommend that you repent of that sin.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Angels take orders from God...

Psalm 103:20
Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of His word.

1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels?

The Body of Christ shall judge angels so we are above them!

As a born again Christian I'm IN CHRIST so angels are below me and serve the Lord by serving me.

Ephesians 1:17-23
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

I even have a personal angel that the Lord assigned to me when I was a baby

Matthew 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

So. Big boy is claims to be led off the Spirit, but does seemingly without any willingness to consult scripture. C'mon big boy. Live up to your name. Be big enough to answer the question. After all, its scripture right? How could you possibly go wrong? What is the meaning of the Greek word,
ἄγγελος aggelos ang’-el-os
Do you have a Strongs concordance? An easy and interesting exercise to look it up.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Calling out witchcraft may be correct, but not so if you are condemning the whole nine yards as well.

Galatians 5:9
A little leaven leavens the whole lump.