How many former Catholics are here?

[amigo de christo]

You haven't read any of her books have you.

If my denominational teachings (not practises...teachings) weren't in the Bible, I wouldn't be an adventist. That doesn't mean every single individual pastor is preaching truth. There are weeds in every garden that God has planted. But God has given no instruction to leave the garden. And as I said, the Seventh Day Adventist Church isn't Babylon. In fact, it's the only organised protestant church on the planet who includes the warnings against Babylon and the Antichrist and the false prophet (Revelation 12-14) in her official public literature and evangelical programs, and for that reason has, for over a century, been the prime target of the Vatican to remove its core truths that testify to Rome's apostasy. Including Ellen White. You, in advocating for the same thing, are working on their behalf.

Even the JW warned massive against the RCC and etc
E VEN jospeph smith warned against such a place and said truths about the condition of churches in his day .
YET , YOU DO UNDERSTAND why i dont heed such groups , RIGHT .
Sorry but ellen messed thi ngs up very bad when she t ried to cover f or miller
by i ntroducing investigative judgement .
It would be like say i was setting dates . then missed one , then recalcuated another , missed that on e
THEN y ou come along and say OL amigo was not wrong about his date but about his location .
PLEASE ,
The correct response from you would have been , AMIGO was DEAD wrong to ever have tried to set a date in the first place .
SORRY but ELLEN shammed all of you folks . She did .

 

[amigo de christo]

Why would I?

She didn't meet the biblical requirement to be a public minister and she's a known false prophet having claimed certain things would come to pass and they did not.

Charlie Brown and Fred Flintstone are more qualified to be ministers that this woman. Elmer Fudd too!




Beg all you'd like.

I'll stick with what the Lord says in His Word concerning the qualifications for ministry

wanna hear how it all began .
There once lived a man named MILLER .
He did much study and made the cliam HE KNEW the date CHRIST would return . Well that day came and went
AND NOPE .
SO then homie d ecides to set , or recalculate . COMES up with another date . AND NO SURPISE HE MISSED That date too .
Then a heart broke ellen
who just could not fathom her beloved miller was wrong
SUDDENLY came up with INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT . to wh ich SHE said
GOD revelaed to her that MILLER was not wrong about HIS DATE of CHRISTS return
but rather THE LOCATION . not earth she said , iT was HE began this investigative judg ment .
AND A WHOLE NEW RELIGOIN was born .
BORN OF A LIE . BORN OF A LIE . i mean it would b e like me
setting a date for JESUS return , THEN missed it , SO i recalculate , set it ag ain , MISSED IT
then along comes another who sat UNDER ME
and said OH my friends AMIGO as not wrong about THE DATE at all , JUST about the location .
WOULD YOU NOT shake your head in total unbeleif . GOOD , ME TOO .
ELLEN WHITE DECIEVED THEM ALL .

 

[amigo de christo]

Why would I?

She didn't meet the biblical requirement to be a public minister and she's a known false prophet having claimed certain things would come to pass and they did not.

Charlie Brown and Fred Flintstone are more qualified to be ministers that this woman. Elmer Fudd too!




Beg all you'd like.

I'll stick with what the Lord says in His Word concerning the qualifications for ministry

where was HER discernement . I mean if one comes setting dates for the RETURN of CHRIST
YA KINDA THINK that sheep WHO HAVE THE SPIRIT
would have instantly remembered what JESUS had said about NO MAN , no ang el , not the SON
BUT ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS that day . and no man can know the day and hour .
SO had she been even following the LORD to begin with
SHE had done exactly what i would have done the moment miller opened his mouth
with a date . REBUKED HIM before all very gravely . and if he did not repent
TOOK E VERYON E i could OUT of his church with me .
OH but not ellen , she sat under him , embraced his dates
THEN later i nvented investigative judgment . THAT IS DECEPTOIN at work big time . proof
her love of miller was far more than her LOVE FOR GOD . oh yeah , didnt we know
that people can do such a thing . PUT A MAN on a pedastool and choose HIS lies over the WORD of GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

You haven't read any of her books have you.

If my denominational teachings (not practises...teachings) weren't in the Bible, I wouldn't be an adventist. That doesn't mean every single individual pastor is preaching truth. There are weeds in every garden that God has planted. But God has given no instruction to leave the garden. And as I said, the Seventh Day Adventist Church isn't Babylon. In fact, it's the only organised protestant church on the planet who includes the warnings against Babylon and the Antichrist and the false prophet (Revelation 12-14) in her official public literature and evangelical programs, and for that reason has, for over a century, been the prime target of the Vatican to remove its core truths that testify to Rome's apostasy. Including Ellen White. You, in advocating for the same thing, are working on their behalf.

well DATE SETTING for CHRISTS return , OH ITs IN THE BIBLE
as in DONT DO IT .
GUESS ELLEN didnt get that memo . sat under such a man , WHO TWICE set dates
Then comes up with INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT . and yo u all bought it up .
You do realize people can calculate and even being allowed to calculate
and yet is all a deceptoin and a delusion .
OL MILLER SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER than to even try and set a date .
but BOY PRIDE runs rampant ,,,, dont it . And ellen bought it twice
and then comes up with investigative judgment .
What a sham . she used his notes but then says OH it was not About JESUS coming to earth but rather
...............
YOU DO see the sham ...................Right .

 

[Brakelite]

Why would I?

She didn't meet the biblical requirement to be a public minister and she's a known false prophet having claimed certain things would come to pass and they did not.

Charlie Brown and Fred Flintstone are more qualified to be ministers that this woman. Elmer Fudd too!




Beg all you'd like.

I'll stick with what the Lord says in His Word concerning the qualifications for ministry

“27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. ”
1 Corinthians 12:27-28 KJV

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“17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: ”
Acts 2:17-18 KJV

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"she's a known false prophet having claimed certain things would come to pass and they did not.".

How do you know that? Hearsay? Urban legend? Oh, right. You heard it on you tube from our enemies. Or you read somewhere that this was so.

Why should you read her books? Credibility. Because until you do, you have none regarding your criticism of her. Not even ministry. The Bible says no such thing about forbidding women to minister.

 

[Brakelite]

where was HER discernement . I mean if one comes setting dates for the RETURN of CHRIST
YA KINDA THINK that sheep WHO HAVE THE SPIRIT
would have instantly remembered what JESUS had said about NO MAN , no ang el , not the SON
BUT ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS that day . and no man can know the day and hour .
SO had she been even following the LORD to begin with
SHE had done exactly what i would have done the moment miller opened his mouth
with a date . REBUKED HIM before all very gravely . and if he did not repent
TOOK E VERYON E i could OUT of his church with me .
OH but not ellen , she sat under him , embraced his dates
THEN later i nvented investigative judgment . THAT IS DECEPTOIN at work big time . proof
her love of miller was far more than her LOVE FOR GOD . oh yeah , didnt we know
that people can do such a thing . PUT A MAN on a pedastool and choose HIS lies over the WORD of GOD .

You need to stop lying and slandering regarding the circumstances of those events, and actually read the history as to how everything transpired.
You are so full of yourself boasting of your discernment and claiming you would not believe Miller. Many didn't. But their unbelief wasn't based on proof that the date wasn't genuine. And neither is yours. I suppose of you were living during the time of the apostles you would have rebuked them all in front of Jesus and informed them sternly that Jesus was not coming back in their lifetime right? And divided the church over it. Notice Jesus never rebuked them for their error. And He didn't rebuke those in the second great awakening either. You claim to be a student of the Bible. There is a prophetic message that spoke of the great disappointment. Have you read it? Have you read that those who were disappointed were given a special message from the Lord to prophesy again of the second coming? Jesus never rebukes anyone for their human weakness, but encourages them and strengthens them to continue His work. Lighten up bro, you are barking up the wrong tree. You don't know what you are doing.

Read White's writings above. I challenge you to find one sentence out of place. One example that suggests she is misleading people. One hint that she ever preached a gospel that was false or error ridden.

 

[Brakelite]

Sorry but ellen messed thi ngs up very bad when she t ried to cover f or miller

She didn't. She was a16 year old school girl, attending Miller's meetings with her family. She had no authority or right to stand up against anyone. Your misrepresentation of the circumstances is pathetic.

by i ntroducing investigative judgement .

She didn't do that either. Again, you are misrepresenting her, and those who were pioneers of the church. You have no clue and are firing blanks.

Not do you have any desire to understand the truth. Else you would ask and I would offer eye witness accounts of what took place in this days, who were involved, how the beliefs were established, and the biblical scriptures that supported each one. You could of course look for yourself, because there are numerous adventist authors who have written on the subject and explained everything in minute detail.

 

[amigo de christo]

There will be no retreat and there will be no surrender .
The one true gospel is under attack .
The ecumenical harlot has churches on the run . Beleiving a lie
and afraid to even speak up and warn one in sin
and worse even warn one about the dangers of unbelief .
We knew this hour was coming my friend .
We cannot be as many and show the ecumeincal whore our rears as we run from her .
FACE THAT WHORE with foreheads of flint , JESUS gonna be preached
and the diverse inclusive rainbow and koran kissing love
Gonna be exposed .
KISS THE SON and not the ecumeincal golden bull of babylon.
its a war friend and the hour is coming
wherein those who stand and stood firm for Christ , well they gonna bleed
as others before us have t hrough all ages . FACE IT WITH NO fear .
THE LORD is with the sheep and to LIVE IS CHRIST to die is only gain .
Our weapons are spiritual and not carnal . Many will b leed when the hour hits the peak .
JESUS BLED for us , WE shall bleed for Him . TO the trenches one and all .
forgive those who persecute us , but NEVER CONFORM to a harlots love .

 

[Brakelite]

She didn't. She was a16 year old school girl, attending Miller's meetings with her family. She had no authority or right to stand up against anyone. Your misrepresentation of the circumstances is pathetic.

She didn't do that either. Again, you are misrepresenting her, and those who were pioneers of the church. You have no clue and are firing blanks.

Not do you have any desire to understand the truth. Else you would ask and I would offer eye witness accounts of what took place in this days, who were involved, how the beliefs were established, and the biblical scriptures that supported each one. You could of course look for yourself, because there are numerous adventist authors who have written on the subject and explained everything in minute detail.

Just to be real, I don't mind if you find something in me or my teaching or testimony that you find fault with. If I can see the biblical sense in your correction, and my teaching is not biblical but purely denominational, I will consider leaving my church, so long as there is advantage on joining another. I've done that 3 or 4 times before, as God led. I'm not afraid of truth. After all , God led me to Adventism as a direct result of my surrender and pleading for truth. But I've been defending Adventism for 30 years. Against people more knowledgeable of the scriptures than most here. None of them could show me where Adventism is biblical unsound.

 

[JesusFan]

Interesting concept that. The true remnant. Mmmm. What would the true remnant church look like do you think? What would you expect the church of the last days (considering the last days have been with us for a little over 200 years) to be doing that earlier churches weren't?

We have been in the last days for over 2000 years now though

 

[JesusFan]

I beg to differ... No-one not anointed by the Holy Spirit could write this very small example among her numerous books, articles, letters and manuscripts... certainly not a false prophet who by their very nature and purpose lead people away from God to themselves.

Refer to thread, From the pen of Ellen White

She has been proven to be fraudulent, as plagiarized much of her alleged works from other authors

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

“27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. ”
1 Corinthians 12:27-28 KJV

Nothing in there about women being anointed to be church leaders.

Would you like to take another swing?

“17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: ”
Acts 2:17-18 KJV

Nothing in there either about women being anointed to be church leaders.

Would you like to take another swing?

Why should you read her books? Credibility.

I have God's Book so I need no others.

The Bible says no such thing about forbidding women to minister.

God's Word specifically assigns church leadership to MEN and assigns women as helpers.

Those following teachers who are not anointed by the Lord Jesus to teach fall in the dict of false doctrine.

 

[Brakelite]

We have been in the last days for over 2000 years now though

In one sense yes, but 1798 was a specifically propheticlly significant date affirmed in scripture and history to usher in the final days. To bring us to the toes of the statue of Daniel 2.

 

[Brakelite]

She has been proven to be fraudulent, as plagiarized much of her alleged works from other authors

Actually that's just another lying slander. Some did accuse her of plagiarism it is true, but a renowned lawyer and expert in that field investigated her thoroughly over a long time and cleared her. Don't join the critics of things you know nothing of. You will be found out.

 

[Brakelite]

I have God's Book so I need no others.

That doesn't impress me. It is how you use God's book that's more important than having one on the shelf that you refer to every now and again to cherry pick that which bolsters your arguments.

Those following teachers who are not anointed by the Lord Jesus to teach fall in the dict of false doctrine.

She was absolutely anointed to teach. Her visions and prophetic word demanded she share those with the church.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That doesn't impress me.

Yeah, only those that really love the Lord are impressed by what He has to say.

She was absolutely anointed to teach

She was most definitely anointed to teach... just not by good spirits that are from the Lord Jesus

 

[Brakelite]

I have God's Book so I need no others.

You have no credibility in judging whether God was right or wrong in using Ellen White as His messenger. God can and does use whosoever He wishes. Ellen White was never an administrative leader in the church, nor was she ordained as a church pastor or elder, not even a deaconess.
If what you claim is anywhere near the truth, she being, according to you, a false prophet and false teacher, then you need to explain why Satan would use her to exalt Christ and direct people to the Scriptures, not just here and there, or on occasion, but as the underlying principle to everything she wrote and spoke about. You guys have no idea who she was because you refuse to enquire. And by throwing doubt and accusation against her without any investigation as to the veracity of your argument, it is you who has become the false teacher,

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You have no credibility in judging whether God was right or wrong in using Ellen White as His messenger.

It was the "god of this world" that was / is using this false teacher as his messenger.

When the future gets here you'll see what I'm talking about.

 

[JesusFan]

Actually that's just another lying slander. Some did accuse her of plagiarism it is true, but a renowned lawyer and expert in that field investigated her thoroughly over a long time and cleared her. Don't join the critics of things you know nothing of. You will be found out.

Actually, EW has been found out , as she was as legit a prophetess as Joseph Smith was a prophet

 

[JesusFan]

In one sense yes, but 1798 was a specifically propheticlly significant date affirmed in scripture and history to usher in the final days. To bring us to the toes of the statue of Daniel 2.

Except Sda was built upon fale prophecies of a William Miller, who at least renounced them and came back to God, unlike EW