Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Marvelloustime]

and they are not alone either .
Many have this problem you wrote about my friend .
But then the deceived do not know they are decieved .
There is a real simple childlike faith solution for all of this .
How about we all open our bible again , start afresh , read it with others
and stay in JUST that doctrine and see what begins to occur .
I am very concerned and very worried for many in this generation
and i speak not just of those in the world , but of many in churches .
WE have a serious problem . but there is a real simple so lution .
Let us learn OF CHRIST in the bible and of all things .
Read it daily and in t ime one will begin to see
what by grace God let me see long ago when he had me doing just this .
OH NO christendom is in dire trouble . We cannot help the blind
if we are blinded to another image of another jesus and thus another god .
But scripture coupled with the HOLY GHOST
sure has a way of clearing THINGS UP . And much quicker than one would think .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

i aint a baptist i aint of calvin i darn sure aint of the RCC
i aint of the JW or sda , or methodist
THIS SHEEP IS CHRISTAIN .
now spell out the first five letters of that , AND THAT IS WHO I AM GONNA POINT TOO .
NOT MEN , not their religoins or faiths
NOT to the jew ,
TO CHRIST . now lets start afresh and open that bible .
cause you would have been amazed at how simple this can be .
I do so with others . we never fight , we just enjoy and BELEIVE what we read .
BIBLE TIME . you are free to join us if you l ike .
BUT i do NOT want to hear your denomaintion . NONE of us talks of such .
WE talk of JESUs , HIS DOCTRINE , the apostels doctrine and all that lovely truth in said BIBLE .
AND BOY IS IT LOVELY . you would be amazed at how wonderful this is .

@amigo de christo

 

[Wrangler]

As per this thread, the "State of Israel" equates to "Caesar."

For example, I don't pay any taxes. Why not? Because I have chosen not to align myself with Caesar. Jesus himself was accused of forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar at his trial (Luke 23:2). Notice these were not false witnesses who accused Jesus of not paying taxes, because every time a false witness accused Jesus, the scripture tells us it was a false witness (Mark 14:57-59). Where did Jesus forbid to pay taxes to Caesar?

In Mark 12:13-17, Jesus was asked if it was lawful to give taxes to Caesar or not. A silver coin, with Caesar's inscription on it, was shown to Christ. In this example, the Lord's answer requires everyone to make the determination as to what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God;

Mark 12:17, "...Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's..."

Who did this silver coin belong to? Since the Scripture says, "The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts" (Haggai 2:8), that means that the silver coin shown to Jesus belonged to God. However, those who live, move, and have their being in the image of Caesar, as the disciples of the Pharisees did, will believe this coin belongs to Caesar instead. We are not to be deluded by the image of Caesar, but built-up in the image of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 11:7; 15:49, 2 Corinthians 3:18, Colossians 3:10).

Interesting. I think it deserves its own thread.

 

[Aunty Jane]

many can lay cliam to being a keen bible studier of the bible . but you know what i have found to be true ,
that really many of them sat under men and learned their doctrine and actually made changes to said bible .
As far as a governing body , TRUE ones alone are that body . Not wolves in wool .

I have to agree with you to a point...but do you know what scholars translated your Bible? Did they do so accurately? How do you know, if you haven’t studied the Greek and Hebrew? This is why we have concordances and interlinear Bibles so we can compare.......Are you not also sitting under men?

God’s people have always been an organised body of his worshippers. Even in the days of the Patriarchs, before Israel even had God’s laws, they knew Jehovah’s standards and obeyed his moral laws which were dictated by their conscience.
The first Christians had a governing body in Jerusalem who were consulted when issues arose and they were the ones who settled matters and passed their decisions on to the congregations because unity was important and keeping apostate ideas out of those congregations was a challenge. The circumcision issue was a case in point. Are you familiar with that?

And when you say I NEED to st udy the bible cause anyone can put their own slant on it
What you really mean is I NEED to learn of your men .

No, I mean to study the Bible using the resources that are available to all of us....the knowledge is there if you just avail yourself of it....doubling down and ignoring what is shown to you is not healthy spiritually speaking. If you cannot defend your faith, it’s not worth having.

Show me the Scriptures that persuade you that the trinity, immortality of the soul, and hellfire are accurately interpreted in your Bible.....
Are you willing to do that? Let’s compare without making baseless assumptions.

But
i do seem to notice a massive uptick on this from many now . But what they mean by s tudy
is learn our greek , heed our scholars . And sadly upon quick examination had , I seen that
many actually use the greek , use hermeneutics , use strifes over words , TO JUSITFY
why they and their group does something CONTRARY to what is and was originally written .
This happens a whole lot more than you realize .

I agree, but can we examine those things to see if there is any validity...?
A “quick examination” is no real examination at all....would you want the doctor to make a quick examination and then decide that expensive and life threatening surgery is needed? Isn’t a second or third opinion a good idea? All Bible translations, including the KJV, are the work of men.
What have you got to lose?

 

[Christian Soldier]

So, you still haven't repented of your blasphemies. You're still claiming that God is mentally and spiritually sick. Let assure you that God does not suffer from a Bi Polar, multiple personality disorder. He hates those He hates and loves those He loves, you are the who is spiritually and mentally sick, not God.

You will give an account for every lie and blasphemy, on judgement day. God luck trying to fool God with your wicked bile.

 

[Traveler]

God supports Israel long before Jesus was a Jewish Man hanging on The Cross for the sin of the world.

Currently God is supporting Israel, most of all, with the USA.

God as Jesus is coming back to Israel, Himself, to reign with the body of Christ.

So, just connect the dots.........its not that hard unless some crazy "replacement" theology created by the Mary-Cult has "taken hold" of your thinking.

Israel belongs to God, itis a nation he raised up out of the other nations of this world, The church belongs to Christ which he redeemed out of the gentile nations, so yes we are to be supportive of Gods nation but only as long as they remain faithful to God

 

[TazzJazz]

I'm not.

I hope not. But I remember you posted this:

Jesus commanded us to:

1. First, give to Caesar what is Caesars’s;
2. Then, Give to God was is God’s.

You've got this backwards..... Our first allegiance goes to God, who gave us life. Even when it came to preaching, the Apostles obeyed God and His Son, over the rulers. (Acts 5:28,29); how much more so, when it comes to killing! - Matthew 5:44; John 13:34,35

 

[TazzJazz]

If your "brother" is doing evil and is being led by the devil, they they are not your "brother" any longer.

Many "brothers" in the end times switch from serving the Lord over to serving the devil.

Then you avoid them, You don't get involved in killing them.

 

[amigo de christo]

I have to agree with you to a point...but do you know what scholars translated your Bible? Did they do so accurately? How do you know, if you haven’t studied the Greek and Hebrew? This is why we have concordances and interlinear Bibles so we can compare.......Are you not also sitting under men?

God’s people have always been an organised body of his worshippers. Even in the days of the Patriarchs, before Israel even had God’s laws, they knew Jehovah’s standards and obeyed his moral laws which were dictated by their conscience.
The first Christians had a governing body in Jerusalem who were consulted when issues arose and they were the ones who settled matters and passed their decisions on to the congregations because unity was important and keeping apostate ideas out of those congregations was a challenge. The circumcision issue was a case in point. Are you familiar with that?

No, I mean to study the Bible using the resources that are available to all of us....the knowledge is there if you just avail yourself of it....doubling down and ignoring what is shown to you is not healthy spiritually speaking. If you cannot defend your faith, it’s not worth having.

Show me the Scriptures that persuade you that the trinity, immortality of the soul, and hellfire are accurately interpreted in your Bible.....
Are you willing to do that? Let’s compare without making baseless assumptions.

I agree, but can we examine those things to see if there is any validity...?
A “quick examination” is no real examination at all....would you want the doctor to make a quick examination and then decide that expensive and life threatening surgery is needed? Isn’t a second or third opinion a good idea? All Bible translations, including the KJV, are the work of men.
What have you got to lose?

Its men of the latter t imes that believed certain concepts SO IT IS THEY who went ab out
to change certain bibles .
As for me , i can read just fine . When are you gonna learn that if you pay close enough attention
YOU would have seen years back that it was by greek and etc
That they justified THEIR OWN teachings . AND NOT JUST THE JW either . ALL of them do this .
In every spot where a particular was mentioned in each ones cam p . And when it contradicts
anothers . say JW verses adventism or RCC greek verses baptists osas etc
YOU GONNA FIND that every one of them used greek so called to MAKE VALID THEIR POINT .
BUT what i dont think you realize is , HOW COME their greek in these parts CONTRADICT the others .
AND TEH ANSWER IS , THEY BEEN USING IT to change things , ALL OF THEM have .
This having to know koine g reek etc , ITS ALL A sham . IT HAS BEEN .
Now not everything they say IS A LIE . no most of it will be correctly translated .
ONly the part they need to seduce another is the one they cliam means this or that .
YOU all been duped . HEY lets face it , at one TIME WE ALL WERE .
BUT NOW IS THE TIME we RUN to CHRIST and stop trusting in m en and thier methods
JUST trust in HIM and learn .

 

[amigo de christo]

I have to agree with you to a point...but do you know what scholars translated your Bible? Did they do so accurately? How do you know, if you haven’t studied the Greek and Hebrew? This is why we have concordances and interlinear Bibles so we can compare.......Are you not also sitting under men?

God’s people have always been an organised body of his worshippers. Even in the days of the Patriarchs, before Israel even had God’s laws, they knew Jehovah’s standards and obeyed his moral laws which were dictated by their conscience.
The first Christians had a governing body in Jerusalem who were consulted when issues arose and they were the ones who settled matters and passed their decisions on to the congregations because unity was important and keeping apostate ideas out of those congregations was a challenge. The circumcision issue was a case in point. Are you familiar with that?

No, I mean to study the Bible using the resources that are available to all of us....the knowledge is there if you just avail yourself of it....doubling down and ignoring what is shown to you is not healthy spiritually speaking. If you cannot defend your faith, it’s not worth having.

Show me the Scriptures that persuade you that the trinity, immortality of the soul, and hellfire are accurately interpreted in your Bible.....
Are you willing to do that? Let’s compare without making baseless assumptions.

I agree, but can we examine those things to see if there is any validity...?
A “quick examination” is no real examination at all....would you want the doctor to make a quick examination and then decide that expensive and life threatening surgery is needed? Isn’t a second or third opinion a good idea? All Bible translations, including the KJV, are the work of men.
What have you got to lose?

and of course we can examine this . I did . Did you know that early on i went
and examined most of them in the library .
I went and c ompared what they said against what the scriptures said .
I noticed something . It was they who twisted parts .
There was some good things but there was some d eadly things .
Gotta remove the deadly . And this i did with lots of g roups .
I read what josepsh smith had written , Well about one page of it anyway . WOW that one
DO NOT FOLLOW . he starts out sounding good in his pearl of g reat price , you know like most of them do ,
They can show the faults or at least some of the faults of the churches
But , and this is a huge butt too , LOOK at the direction HE TOOK THEM .
So even the JW . THey had a good stance , A solid one against pagansims and not blending it .
I mean SOLID . cause its so true , WE SHOULD NEVER have mixed in the pagan into chistanity .
BUT THEN look at some of the things they did .
Adventists too . THEY had some GOOD things , BUT LOOK at investigative judgment . BAD NEWS , BIG TIME false .
Look it is much easier to examine a group
SPECIALLY IF YOU AINT EXAMINING IT THROUGH ITS OWN LENS . You gotta do it without outside sources .
NOT ITS VERSION of greek . The walk is truly much simplier than man has made it .
MEN have complicated it big time . Confusion upon confusion has set in .
Till now its been impossible to even find a mainstream church . been that way a long time .
SO i gather with others who love the LORD and we enjoy simple fellowship and the scrips .
You would be shocked at how simple this all could have been .
BUT we have a rule . NO DOCTRINES from denominations will be allowed .
Rather let us just learn the bible for ourselves . NOT that all doctrines were bad . NO they were not all bad .
I agree with , however , ONLY THE DOCTRINE that does NOT contradict the LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY and HIS CHRIST
or his prophets . in other words , I dont heed serpent doctrine . the one famous for twisting it to plant a lie .
That one must NONE heed .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Then you avoid them, You don't get involved in killing them.

Unless they are trying to kill you...

The Lord has authorized the use of deadly force upon those that do evil.

Romans 13:1-6
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

 

[amigo de christo]

Unless they are trying to kill you...

The Lord has authorized the use of deadly force upon those that do evil.

Romans 13:1-6
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

I sure dont remember steven picking up stones to defend himself .
IF we read the book of acts
and had your mindset it would have read .
And then they rushed at steven
but he went and hid behind some cover . and steven threw rocks back at them
and they at him . for st steven followed THE NAR REALM and much of christendom that belives
Wars of men are good . and we can fight and defend ourselves .
GOOD THING you didnt write that book , we would all have been led astray .
RESIST NOT EVIL . HELLO .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I sure dont remember steven picking up stones to defend himself

You may have missed the time when Jesus told people to buy a sword.

We see the NT does NOT say those with weapons are in sin.

Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luke 22:36 is a verse where Jesus instructs His disciples to take provisions for their journey, emphasizing that if they do not have a sword, they should sell their cloak to buy one. This reflects a shift in their circumstances, indicating the need for preparedness in facing upcoming challenges including the need for self defense.

If one "lives" by the sword (any deadly weapon) this means the weapon is what they live by as in their faith and trust in weapons comes before the Lord which of course is idolatry. Trust the Lord first and foremost.

If it's a sin to have a deadly weapon then you are accusing Jesus of committing sin when He told them to get a sword the second time He sent His disciples out. (Luke 22:36). Accusing Jesus of sinful behavior ends badly.

And you would be saying Romans 13 is advocating sin for the "servant of God" who bares the sword

Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

 

[amigo de christo]

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You may have missed the time when Jesus told people to buy a sword.

We see the NT does NOT say those with weapons are in sin.

Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luke 22:36 is a verse where Jesus instructs His disciples to take provisions for their journey, emphasizing that if they do not have a sword, they should sell their cloak to buy one. This reflects a shift in their circumstances, indicating the need for preparedness in facing upcoming challenges including the need for self defense.

If one "lives" by the sword (any deadly weapon) this means the weapon is what they live by as in their faith and trust in weapons comes before the Lord which of course is idolatry. Trust the Lord first and foremost.

If it's a sin to have a deadly weapon then you are accusing Jesus of committing sin when He told them to get a sword the second time He sent His disciples out. (Luke 22:36). Accusing Jesus of sinful behavior ends badly.

And you would be saying Romans 13 is advocating sin for the "servant of God" who bares the sword

Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

no i didnt miss that .
What you missed IS THE WHY HE SAID IT . and do notice that lovely sword they bought
YOU KNOW the one that peter used to cut off the ear of malchus
JESUS THEN SAID SHEATH THY SWORD . I ALLOWED YOU thus far . THERE was A REASON OH YES THERE WAS A REASON JESUS specifically TOLD them TO DO THAT .
But you use that to then CONTRADICT what he taught us to Do .
A very specific reason . YOU GO and LEARN it . FOR it is written HE was numebered with the transgerssors .
THAT was the why behind that paticular case . HELLO . lets learn bible please .

 

[amigo de christo]

You may have missed the time when Jesus told people to buy a sword.

We see the NT does NOT say those with weapons are in sin.

Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luke 22:36 is a verse where Jesus instructs His disciples to take provisions for their journey, emphasizing that if they do not have a sword, they should sell their cloak to buy one. This reflects a shift in their circumstances, indicating the need for preparedness in facing upcoming challenges including the need for self defense.

If one "lives" by the sword (any deadly weapon) this means the weapon is what they live by as in their faith and trust in weapons comes before the Lord which of course is idolatry. Trust the Lord first and foremost.

If it's a sin to have a deadly weapon then you are accusing Jesus of committing sin when He told them to get a sword the second time He sent His disciples out. (Luke 22:36). Accusing Jesus of sinful behavior ends badly.

And you would be saying Romans 13 is advocating sin for the "servant of God" who bares the sword

Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

no i didnt miss that .
What you missed IS THE WHY HE SAID IT . and do notice that lovely sword they bought
YOU KNOW the one that peter used to cut off the ear of malchus
JESUS THEN SAID SHEATH THY SWORD . I ALLOWED YOU thus far . THERE was A REASON OH YES THERE WAS A REASON JESUS specifically TOLD them TO DO THAT .
But you use that to then CONTRADICT what he taught us to Do .
A very specific reason . YOU GO and LEARN it . FOR it is written HE was numebered with the transgerssors .
THAT was the why behind that paticular case . HELLO . lets learn bible please .

You would be saying Romans 13 is advocating sin for the "servant of God" who bares the sword

Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Self defense is not a sin and we know it's not because God has instructed His people to fight in wars in times past and some claim God committed sin when He did that

 

[Aunty Jane]

Its men of the latter t imes that believed certain concepts SO IT IS THEY who went ab out
to change certain bibles .

It is no coincidence that “men of latter times” changed what the “church” had taught for centuries. It wasn’t truth that came from the RCC, which was the only “church” in existence for about 1500 years! Left to their own devices the foretold apostasy was going to be exposed when the time for Christ’s return was near.

We had to expect a restoration of the truth.....it came, right on time...a period some call “the great awakening”....the time just before Christ was installed as King, foreseen by Daniel some 500 years before Christ was even born (Daniel 7: 13-14)....that is how far ahead God is in a world ruled by the devil. He is not one step ahead, but he is ahead by leaps and bounds. Look at the prophesy in Gen 3:15....he already had it all sorted.

What do you think was the purpose of the Reformation? Why did God allow that to happen, when all it did was divide Christianity into literally thousands of bickering sects?...adding to the confusion as men led away the disciples after themselves?
Today’s “Christianity” is a minefield for truth seekers....who do they believe? How can they tell the diamond in a pile of broken glass? The diamond exists....but where do we find it?

 

[Aunty Jane]

As for me , i can read just fine . When are you gonna learn that if you pay close enough attention
YOU would have seen years back that it was by greek and etc
That they justified THEIR OWN teachings . AND NOT JUST THE JW either . ALL of them do this .
In every spot where a particular was mentioned in each ones cam p . And when it contradicts
anothers . say JW verses adventism or RCC greek verses baptists osas etc

And who has an agenda behind the confusion? Who is the one who sowed the “weeds” that Jesus spoke about?
When Jesus walked the earth, the Pharisees had been in control of his people for hundreds of years, taking Israel further and further away from the truth of God’s word.....Jesus said that they “taught the commands of men as doctrines” (Matt 15:7-9)

Christendom is a mirror image of first century Judaism....but Jesus promised that he would appoint a “faithful and wise slave” who would feed his true disciples “their food at the proper time” (Matt 24:45)....that “proper time” or “due season”, was Christ’s return, as it was part of his prophesy on the end of the age.
But Jesus framed it as a question....”who really is” that “slave”?
They would prove themselves to be so, not just by what they said, but by what they did in obedience to Jesus’ command to “go and make disciples” not just locally, but “to the most distant part of the earth”... (Acts 1:8) which is what he told his disciples just before his departure.

That evangelising work would be the one thing that separated the true Christians from the fake ones who would make all kinds of excuses not to participate in it. How was it done?
The apostles tell us....
Acts 5:42...(ESV)
“And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching that the Christ is Jesus.”

Acts 20:20-21...(ESV)
“how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house, testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.”

And what else did Jesus say about this preaching work that was to identify his true disciples?
“And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.” (Matt 24:14 ESV)

How specific was this preaching work to be done and where? How do emergency service workers warn people of a coming disaster in their area? They go “house to house” so that they don’t miss anyone.....not everyone has an electronic device or has it switched on, and in an emergency situation, maybe there is no power anyway....so because lives are at risk, they make it their personal quest to reach as many as possible.
It is given but never forced on anyone.....we are responsible for our own decisions.

Jesus sent out his disciples with that same sense of urgency...and respect for human life.
God does not bring about any judicial sentence upon mankind without first warning them. Noah warned the people of his day for 120 years....and then God brought the deluge.....can we imagine them banging their fists on the ark begging to come on board....but too late.
Christendom is not warning the people of what is coming, except maybe to sit in a building and wait for the sheep to wander in.....but that is not what Christ commanded.

He told them.....
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matt 28:19-20 ESV)

It was not a mere suggestion, but a direct command, so those who refrain from taking up that assignment are acting in disobedience.
What assurance did Jesus give to them....?
“I am with you always, to the end of the age”.....Jesus himself would oversee this work and make sure that his disciples carried it out...why? Because the warning had to be sounded as the prophet Ezekiel said in prophesy....those who refuse to listen are a rebellious people, not willing to heed the warning lest they have to make adjustments and change their attitude and conduct....

God commissioned Ezekiel, saying....“Son of man, go to the house of Israel and speak with my words to them. For you are not sent to a people of foreign speech and a hard language, but to the house of Israel . . . . But the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, for they are not willing to listen to me: because all the house of Israel have a hard forehead and a stubborn heart. . . . .Like emery harder than flint have I made your forehead. Fear them not, nor be dismayed at their looks, for they are a rebellious house.”. . . .Moreover, he said to me, “Son of man, all my words that I shall speak to you receive in your heart, and hear with your ears. And go to the exiles, to your people, and speak to them and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God,’ whether they hear or refuse to hear.”. . . . .

“And at the end of seven days, the word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me. If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul. Again, if a righteous person turns from his righteousness and commits injustice, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die. Because you have not warned him, he shall die for his sin, and his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the righteous person not to sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he took warning, and you will have delivered your soul.” (Ezekiel ch 3 ESV)

Do you see the weighty responsibility of the prophet? We too carry that responsibility Amigo.....lives are at stake, and for Christians, the designation is not just a label, but a commission to preach and teach as Jesus did, and as he instructed his disciples to do.

 

[Aunty Jane]

YOU GONNA FIND that every one of them used greek so called to MAKE VALID THEIR POINT .

Well, how else can you prove a false interpretation unless you revert to the original language?
Linguistics has improved vastly since the KJV was translated....so how sure are you that when that took place, it was not done with the bias of a corrupted church? The very ones you warn others about?

BUT what i dont think you realize is , HOW COME their greek in these parts CONTRADICT the others .

Do they? Can you show us where they do Amigo? Let’s check that out....
Contradictions are a sure sign of error in translation. All Scripture must support other Scripture....

Please post these contradictions so we can examine them closely.....hear-say means nothing. Show us.

AND TEH ANSWER IS , THEY BEEN USING IT to change things , ALL OF THEM have .
This having to know koine g reek etc , ITS ALL A sham . IT HAS BEEN .
Now not everything they say IS A LIE . no most of it will be correctly translated .
ONly the part they need to seduce another is the one they cliam means this or that .
YOU all been duped . HEY lets face it , at one TIME WE ALL WERE .

Exactly! So doesn’t it serve the truth to examine these things carefully....asking who wrote it and to whom was it written? What was their understanding of those words in the first century?

We all know how language changes over time and the KJV is a perfect example of how the English language has also changed, as we do not speak archaic English any more.....it has become a dead language. We have to rely on language scholars to decipher the true meanings of word and phrases as these are not the same in English, as they are in the original languages of the Bible.

BUT NOW IS THE TIME we RUN to CHRIST and stop trusting in m en and thier methods
JUST trust in HIM and learn .

And this is where I believe you fall short Amigo....Jesus and his disciples had somewhere to send those who responded to the gospel...”the good news” about the Christ and his Kingdom....there were congregations of Christ’s disciples springing up all over the world after Christ’s death because these were gathering themselves together as Paul said in Heb 10:24-25.

Those who came to the Jewish festival in Jerusalem, heard the good news and took it back with them to their home countries after Pentecost.....and from there it spread, far and wide, as good news often does to those who welcome it.

You have nowhere to send those who might be hearing your warning, and because of that they may well wander in and out of all those denominations, weary of not finding what Jesus said must exist in these gatherings.....”love among yourselves”. (John 13:34-35) Not the love that shows on the surface as perhaps a passive agreement on beliefs, but a deep and abiding love for the welfare of your fellow believers in the world, being aware of their circumstances and giving material, financial, emotional or spiritual aid to such ones as your circumstances allow....always remembering them in your prayers.

Do you have such a global family Amigo?....because we do....and it is a precious gift that we share with few others in this world. There is only one truth, and Satan makes sure that it appears to be anything but....that is what deception is....the enemy is well acquainted with the human condition, and knows how to exploit it.

 

[Wrangler]

Today’s “Christianity” is a minefield for truth seekers....who do they believe?

Jesus is who they believe.

It's less a minefield and more a focus of what is true for truth seekers. Jesus is the truth, manmade doctrine, not so much. That is, it's not about doctrine but relationships, i.e., love God, love others as opposed to the theological basis for determining how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. This includes loving Israel and supporting Israel. (A former boss of mine once said that he's friends with everyone. Can't get too much more Christian than that!)

I talked to 2 friends Sunday about the Gospel. It's not about whether I had all my doctrines right; it's that I was pointing them to Christ.

The important thing is to belong to a local community of Bible believers who strive to live as Jesus taught. Visit a few if new to an area and see which one more resonates with your soul. (One friend loves Pentecostal's focus on music worship. I prefer a more cerebral focus.)

When I met my wife some time after moving from out of State, she was going to a church next to the local jail, which focused on people just getting out. It was run by the husband of a friend from high school decades earlier. We talked about the clientele it focuses on and realized it was not us or for us. So, we went to another church that had a female lead pastor. My wife really needed that female role model, having grown up with a low functioning mother and feels very much at home there.

I noticed that you are using a lot of "quotes" lately, which indicates how invested you are in your denominations manmade doctrines, the passion in citing chapter and verse defending how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and other semantical arguments. "Majoring" in "minors." Not "good."