Linking a Man to an animal, is a sin - how much a slave to "linking with an animal" are Evolutionists (if sinning makes you a slave)?

[Armour of God]

It's a hard lesson to learn that people will sometimes lie to you. But as you have seen, people will edit the words of others to make it seem that they meant what they did not.

"all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

turns out to actually be:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

And now you see that this statement is entirely consistent with Darwin's final words of his book:
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

Darwin suspected that all life on Earth was descended from one original form. But he had no way of showing that, and could only admit that he didn't know. It wasn't until genetics and DNA analysis showed that this was correct.

Learn from it.

Iv already refuted your nonsense
And exposed you to be a liar
Satan is the father of lies

 

[Armour of God]

>>>>>>>>>It's O.K. to be upset.
Hey Barbie, good to see that your therapy sessions are helping you :)
Yes, I do see how the Adam to now 6000 year realization is affecting you

This barbie guy is just delusional.
His full of lies and nonsense. Good thing is no one is falling for his deception here

 

[The Barbarian]

This barbie guy is just delusional.
His full of lies and nonsense. Good thing is no one is falling for his deception here

I understand. It's hard when you realize that people you trusted lied to you. But these are the facts. You were given an edited bit of Darwin's writing:

"all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

The real text turns out to be:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

And now you see that this statement is entirely consistent with Darwin's final words of his book:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

I'm not saying you lied. I'm saying you trusted the wrong people.

 

[Armour of God]

I understand. It's hard when you realize that people you trusted lied to you. But these are the facts. You were given an edited bit of Darwin's writing:

"all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

The real text turns out to be:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

And now you see that this statement is entirely consistent with Darwin's final words of his book:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

I'm not saying you lied. I'm saying you trusted the wrong people.

TOE is a lie
The only people you are fooling is yourself

 

[The Barbarian]

I understand. It's hard when you realize that people you trusted lied to you. But these are the facts. You were given an edited bit of Darwin's writing:

"all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

The real text turns out to be:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

And now you see that this statement is entirely consistent with Darwin's final words of his book:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

I'm not saying you lied. I'm saying you trusted the wrong people.

TOE is a lie

The lie is when they lied to you about what Darwin thought. Evolutionary theory is the best explanation we have now for the way living populations change over time. Even honest and informed YE creationists admit it:

Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.

I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution...

Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough. If God said it, that should settle it.
YEC Dr. Todd Wood

The truth about evolution

A blog about the creation/evolution debate from the president of Core Academy of Science.

toddcwood.blogspot.com

The only people you are fooling is yourself

See above.

 

[Armour of God]

I understand. It's hard when you realize that people you trusted lied to you. But these are the facts. You were given an edited bit of Darwin's writing:

"all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

The real text turns out to be:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

And now you see that this statement is entirely consistent with Darwin's final words of his book:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

I'm not saying you lied. I'm saying you trusted the wrong people.


The lie is when they lied to you about what Darwin thought. Evolutionary theory is the best explanation we have now for the way living populations change over time. Even honest and informed YE creationists admit it:

Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.

I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution...

Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough. If God said it, that should settle it.
YEC Dr. Todd Wood

The truth about evolution

A blog about the creation/evolution debate from the president of Core Academy of Science.

toddcwood.blogspot.com

See above.

Slaying the evolutionists lies
Like St Michael slaying the dragon

 

[TazzJazz]

You have been greatly deceived if you think humans evolved from apes. Iv done my research, it's all garbage full of hoaxes and unfounded claims

Yes, youre right. I've done my research, too. Neo-Darwinists' literature -- "peer reviewed papers" -- are full of suggestive language: "it might have happened this way"; "it could have been this"; "it probably was that". Which is good, because its an honest approach. But the average person promoting evolution, reads it & takes it as fact.

Another major problem is that when organisms have the same genes (for instance, bananas & humans have 40% similar genes), then they claim that means "shared ancestry"..."those organisms are related". What they don't want to understand, is that those same genes aren't "shared"; God simply duplicated them when creating other living things!

It's sad that they refuse to see the design in living systems! It's everywhere!

 

[TazzJazz]

But mutations change things,

They do, true. (Although the vast majority are neutral, like those affecting eye color.) But those that effect greater change, are vastly more deleterious, than beneficial.

You claim to be Christian. Remember, God is truth. A Christian should never be afraid of the truth.

And when praying to His Father, Jesus said at John 17:17, "Your Word is truth."
Are you trying to get those here, to disregard what the Bible says about God creating organisms 'according to their kinds.'?

Although microevolution is a fact (MRSA is evidence of that), macroevolution is based on inference.

 

[TazzJazz]

I understand. It's hard when you realize that people you trusted lied to you. But these are the facts. You were given an edited bit of Darwin's writing:

"all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

The real text turns out to be:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

And now you see that this statement is entirely consistent with Darwin's final words of his book:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

I'm not saying you lied. I'm saying you trusted the wrong people.


The lie is when they lied to you about what Darwin thought. Evolutionary theory is the best explanation we have now for the way living populations change over time. Even honest and informed YE creationists admit it:

Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.

I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution...

Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough. If God said it, that should settle it.
YEC Dr. Todd Wood

The truth about evolution

A blog about the creation/evolution debate from the president of Core Academy of Science.

toddcwood.blogspot.com

See above.

Please tell me, where in science does it allow for Intelligence to be the Creator?

Nowhere do mainstream scientists attribute anything to God! The powers-that-be which direct science are married to natural methodologies. So it's the course of wisdom, to be skeptical of those who wish to take God out of the picture.

"LUCA (Last Universal Common Ancestor)" -- LOL!

 

[TazzJazz]

Oh... I finally got to this:

There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough.
YEC Dr. Todd Wood

I see your stance.
I apologize for my firm reply.
Please take into consideration the partially-quoted Scripture John 17:17. Also keep in mind, who is "misleading the entire inhabited Earth", Revelation 12:9

 

[Armour of God]

Please tell me, where in science does it allow for Intelligence to be the Creator?

Nowhere do mainstream scientists attribute anything to God! The powers-that-be which direct science are married to natural methodologies. So it's the course of wisdom, to be skeptical of those who wish to take God out of the picture.

"LUCA (Last Universal Common Ancestor)" -- LOL!

WoW, sounds like you know your stuff.

Microevolution yes, like the finches observed by Darwin. But macroevolution no, new species don't just appear from others.

Ive debated this Barbie guy for some time now and refuted all his claims. Now I'm just sick and tired of it to be honest. He hasn't fooled anyone on here which I'm happy about.

The whole theory is based on assumptions as you mentioned. They find some fossils and assume that humans evolved from it when it's most likely just another ape. That clay sculpture of Lucy is a hoax

They found two plants and assumed one came from the other when actually one has twice as many chromosomes making it more likely they didn't come from another.

A new species cannot come from another through genetic mutation. They've been genetically modifying plants and animals for decades now desperately trying to prove their theory. And while they can make changes within a species they cannot make a new species from another. A fact he cannot accept

Modern TOE states that all life came from a single ancestor. Darwin even says this in his book. But Barbie just refuses to accept that. He has his own modified theory that God created several species to begin with. And that Adam and Eve weren't humans but really like monkey's.

It's his own theory but he insist its the mainstream theory. I've made many quotes from many sources to refute this including from Darwins book but still he denies it. Modern TOE actually says that all life evolved from a single cell. Impossible seeing that a cell can only replicate itself, it cannot replicate a different kind of cell.

As I said I'm sick of debating him. I've refuted all he has and exposed his lies and deception. TOE was created and pushed by atheists and anti Christians. They teach the lie to children and it has pulled many people away from God including myself when I was younger. I'm greatful to God for helping me cut through the lies and assumptions. Unfortunately it will continue to pull many people away from God

 

[Armour of God]

@TazzJazz

I remember at school they didn't know much about cells. They just told us it was a blob of jelly. Since then they created microscopes that can see at 100,000,000 times magnification and maybe more.
Check out this 3 minute video of an animation of what they see inside a cell. Then remember that a human has over 30 trillion cells and that this is happening all the time. This cannot come about from any random processes. It is truly a testament to Gods wonder

 

[Armour of God]

Oh... I finally got to this:

I see your stance.
I apologize for my firm reply.
Please take into consideration the partially-quoted Scripture John 17:17. Also keep in mind, who is "misleading the entire inhabited Earth", Revelation 12:9

What you replied to in this post is a quote Barbie made from a scientist, not his claim.
Barbie himself does firmly believe in macroevolution, he does believe that humans evolved from an ape-like ancestor.
You'll see when he responds to you.
Welcome to the debate. LoL

 

[The Barbarian]

I see your stance.

Actually, it's the comment of a knowledgeable and honest YEC. He's pointing out that evolutionary theory has a great deal of evidence and works very well to advance knowledge. And yes, that doesn't mean that it has to be true. It's just that there is no better explanation for it.

I remember at school they didn't know much about cells. They just told us it was a blob of jelly.

You'd have to be extremely old.

Organelles, defined as intracellular membrane-bound structures in eukaryotic cells, were described from the early days of light microscopy and the development of cell theory in the 19th century.

Theory of Organelle Biogenesis: A Historical Perspective - Madame Curie Bioscience Database - NCBI Bookshelf

About the same time that evolutionary theory was formed. You would be the oldest person in the world.

Then remember that a human has over 30 trillion cells and that this is happening all the time. This cannot come about from any random processes.

That was Darwin's great discovery. It's not formed by random processes.

It is truly a testament to Gods wonder

Yep. Just not the way YECs would like it.

 

[The Barbarian]

Nowhere do mainstream scientists attribute anything to God!

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species

 

[The Barbarian]

But macroevolution no, new species don't just appear from others.

From Answers in Genesis, the largest Young Earth Creationist organization:
As creationists, we must frequently remind detractors that we do not deny that species vary, change, and even appear over time. The biodiversity represented in the 8.7 million or so species in the world is a testament, not to random chance processes, but to the genetic variability and potential for diversification within the created kinds.

Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.

Speciation

Speciation, the formation of new species, is not evolution in action. Rather, it demonstrates the incredible variety God put within each created kind.

answersingenesis.org

Even your fellow creationists admit that speciation is a fact.

Modern TOE states that all life came from a single ancestor. Darwin even says this in his book.

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."
Charles Darwin

You're wrong again; Darwin didn't really know how many original species there were. He just assumed that God created them.

But Barbie just refuses to accept that. He has his own modified theory that God created several species to begin with.

No. I'm just pointing out that Darwin thought it might have been so. How many original species there were, is not part of his theory.

And that Adam and Eve weren't humans but really like monkey's.

You're confused again. It's likely that Adam and Eve were not only humans but our own species. There were other species of humans, but today it's just H. sapiens. And none of them were "like monkeys." Monkeys are too evolved in other directions to have been the ancestors of humans.

 

[The Barbarian]

They found two plants and assumed one came from the other when actually one has twice as many chromosomes making it more likely they didn't come from another.

The speciation happened in a garden. The mutation that produced the new species was directly observed. It was a polyploidy event that produced two pairs of each chromosome instead of one pair.

 

[The Barbarian]

As I said I'm sick of debating him. I've refuted all he has and exposed his lies and deception.

I would think that refuting false arguments would be enjoyable. I find it so.

TOE was created and pushed by atheists and anti Christians.

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one"
Charles Dawin

Doesn't seem like something an atheist would say, does it?

It is true that many young Christians, taught that YEC is an essential Christian doctrine, experience a crisis of faith when they find out that the stories can't be true:

But eventually, by 1994 I was through with young-earth creationISM. Nothing that young-earth creationists had taught me about geology turned out to be true. I took a poll of my ICR graduate friends who have worked in the oil industry. I asked them one question.

“From your oil industry experience, did any fact that you were taught at ICR, which challenged current geological thinking, turn out in the long run to be true?”

That is a very simple question. One man, Steve Robertson, who worked for Shell grew real silent on the phone, sighed and softly said ‘No!’ A very close friend that I had hired at Arco, after hearing the question, exclaimed, “Wait a minute. There has to be one!” But he could not name one. I can not name one. No one else could either. One man I could not reach, to ask that question, had a crisis of faith about two years after coming into the oil industry. I do not know what his spiritual state is now, but he was in bad shape the last time I talked to him.

And being through with creationism, I very nearly became through with Christianity. I was on the very verge of becoming an atheist.

Why I Left Young-Earth Creationism

In memory of Glenn Morton (1950-2020), Peaceful Science is republishing his personal account and testimony of leaving Young-Earth Creationism.

peacefulscience.org

This is the real damage that YEC does to God's church.

 

[The Barbarian]

Are you trying to get those here, to disregard what the Bible says about God creating organisms 'according to their kinds.'?

Of course God created all the kinds of living things. The issue is that YECs don't approve of the way He did it.

 

[Armour of God]

breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one

You keep repeating this but even it says into new forms or into one. He assumes them both. He assumes a universal common ancestor.
And you just ignore what I repeatedly quoted what Darwin said. He assumes a universal common ancestor. You know its true.

It's very egregious of you to deny this. It makes you out to be a very dishonest person and I'm sick of it.

That's why I'm tired of debating you.
I'm tired of your blatant lies.

You've given your arguments and I have refuted them all.
I've said what I have to say. And youve said what you have to say. We're both just repeating ourselves now.

I'm not changing your mind and your not changing my mind nor the minds of anyone on this forum. They all agree with me.

Thats why I've had enough of this argument with you. Feel free to debate @TazzJazz if you like