Linking a Man to an animal, is a sin - how much a slave to "linking with an animal" are Evolutionists (if sinning makes you a slave)?

[The Barbarian]

You keep repeating this but even it says into new forms or into one. He assumes them both. He assumes a universal common ancestor.

You're contradicting yourself. As you admit, Darwin said it could be one more more original forms. Why even bother denying it?

And you just ignore what I repeatedly quoted what Darwin said. He assumes a universal common ancestor.

Well, let's take a look again...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one;"

Really no point in denying what he wrote.

It makes you out to be a very dishonest person

Maybe one of us. But I prefer to believe that you're really so indoctrinated that you can't accept the facts.

and I'm sick of it.

Well, it is getting a little old, isn't it?

I'm not changing your mind and your not changing my mind nor the minds of anyone on this forum. They all agree with me.

Haven't taken a poll, but it doesn't really matter. Truth isn't a matter of opinion.

 

[Armour of God]

You're contradicting yourself. As you admit, Darwin said it could be one more more original forms. Why even bother denying it?

Now your making a false accusation about me as well.
I'm not contradicting myself at all.
Darwin says "into a few life forms or into one". His assuming that either can be true

You accept he said a few life forms but you deny he also says into one life form.
It's confirmation bias on a level unseen.
Your a dishonest person.

And you ignore that he said

"all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

Denying this makes you a blatant liar
That's why I'm sick of you and your dishonesty. I don't respect dishonest people

Your lies have fooled no one but yourself
Satan is the father of lies

 

[The Barbarian]

I'm not contradicting myself at all.
Darwin says "into a few life forms or into one". His assuming that either can be true

Well, let's see what you wrote...

And you just ignore what I repeatedly quoted what Darwin said. He assumes a universal common ancestor.

Pretty much textbook contradiction.

 

[The Barbarian]

And you ignore that he said

"all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

That is a carefully edited bit. Let's look at the entire sentence to see what he actually said:
The real text turns out to be:

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

Quite a bit different than the edited version you presented. Again, I suspect that you weren't trying to be deceptive, but merely copied something someone else dishonestly edited, with you not realizing the dishonesty on their part.

Denying this makes you a blatant liar
That's why I'm sick of you and your dishonesty. I don't respect dishonest people

I think you'd probably do better if you avoided that subject entirely.

 

[Armour of God]

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

Quite a bit different than the edited version you presented. Again, I suspect that you weren't trying to be deceptive, but merely copied something someone else dishonestly edited, with you not realizing the dishonesty on their part.

Possibly just means that Darwin is assuming it

"Possibly all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form"

Denying that Darwin said this just makes you a blatant liar.
Satan is the father of lies and you are abetting him.
That's all I have to say.

 

[The Barbarian]

BTW, here's an hypothesized phylogenic chart from Answers in Genesis, showing current YEC thinking:

It pretty much shows what Darwin thought was one possibility, several initially created forms. The exception is the "global flood" idea depicted in this phylogeny, where almost all evolved species are killed off, followed by a burst of hyperevolution right after the "flood year", followed by slower evolution after that initial refilling of niches.

 

[The Barbarian]

Possibly just means that Darwin is assuming it

It means he considers it one possibility. He mentions a second, with several initial created forms. The dishonesty was in editing the sentence to change its meaning.

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

The dishonestly deleted parts are in red.

Satan is the father of lies

It wasn't Satan who altered Darwin's statement. But it might have been inspired by Satan. Or it just could have been some dishonest person acting on his own. No way for us to tell. Again, not attributing that dishonesty to you.

 

[Armour of God]

It means he considers it one possibility. He mentions a second, with several initial created forms

Well that's exactly what I'm saying. Darwin makes two assumptions. If anyone is contradicting themselves it's Darwin.

On one hand he assumes it came from one ancestor on the other hand he assumes it came from several ancestors.

Do you agree with that at least?

"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

I'm not being dishonest because my source didn't have that. I didn't alter anything, I just quoted what I found.

Besides it makes no difference at all. Darwin is still assuming that all life came from one ancestor.

Do you finally admit this?

 

[The Barbarian]

Well that's exactly what I'm saying. Darwin makes two assumptions.

He assumed that God created one or more initial living things. Elsewhere he inferred (not assumed) from evidence that it was probably one. Much later, genetic data indicates he was right.

On one hand he assumes it came from one ancestor

Infers that there probably was one ancestor:
"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

Inferences are not assumptions; they depend on evidence.

In the realm of scientific inquiry, inference is a cornerstone of knowledge acquisition and hypothesis generation. It represents the process of deriving logical conclusions from available evidence, observations, and data, extending beyond directly observable phenomena to understand underlying mechanisms and predict future behavior.

What is a inference in science? - California Learning Resource Network

In the realm of scientific inquiry, inference is a cornerstone of knowledge acquisition and hypothesis generation. It represents the process of deriving logical conclusions from available evidence, observations, and data, extending beyond directly observable phenomena to understand underlying...

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Later evidence shows that his inference was correct.

I'm not being dishonest

I assumed you were not. I thought you were fooled by whoever edited his statement dishonestly.

I didn't alter anything, I just quoted what I found.

I thought so. So I made it clear that I didn't think you were the dishonest party.

Darwin is still assuming that all life came from one ancestor.

Well, let's take a look again...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one;"

His assumption (a religious assumption) was that God created one or more original ancestors. His inference from evidence was that there probably was one ancestor.

Do you finally admit this?

 

[Armour of God]

Infers that there probably was one ancestor:
"Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed by the Creator"

Later evidence shows that his inference was correct.

So now your agreeing with universal common ancestor, even saying there is evidence for it, after denying it for all this time and claiming there was several common ancestors.

His inference from evidence was that there probably was one ancestor.

Do you finally admit this?

All this time you were denying that. Now you finally admit it. I wish you would of just admitted it sooner. It would of bypassed all the head aches.

Darwin did indeed infer that there probably was a single common ancestor and so does modern TOE.
We finally agree on that.

Look I'm over it. Enough arguing for me.
At least we finally agreed on something.
But we have to agree to disagree on everything else. We've both made our points, we're both just repeating ourselves now, im not changing your mind and your not changing my mind or anyone else's on this forum.

God bless

 

[The Barbarian]

So now your agreeing with universal common ancestor, even saying there is evidence for it, after denying it for all this time

If you'll go back and look, you'll see that I reminded you that genetics has confirmed Darwin's suspicion that there was one ancestor to all life on Earth.
His inference from evidence was that there probably was one ancestor.

Do you finally admit this?

So now your agreeing with universal common ancestor

Quite a way back, I pointed out to you that genetics confirmed this. Did you forget?

Darwin did indeed infer that there probably was a single common ancestor

Yep. He wasn't sure, which is why he said one or more. But as you learned it wasn't part of evolutionary theory. If there had been several original species, evolution would still work exactly as we see it working.

We've both made our points, we're both just repeating ourselves now, im not changing your mind and your not changing my mind or anyone else's on this forum.

It's useful to bring up creationist misconceptions and discuss them.

 

[Armour of God]

If you'll go back and look, you'll see that I reminded you that genetics has confirmed Darwin's suspicion that there was one ancestor to all life on Earth

Pfft. Yea sure
You said that genetics claimed UCA. You remained adamant that it wasn't part of TOE or Darwins theory.

It pretty much shows what Darwin thought was one possibility, several initially created forms

You were arguing this all along, several common ancestors, and denying that Darwin suggested UCA or that it was part of TOE

 

[Armour of God]

Man came from the Earth like other animals

Your were claiming many common ancestors all along while denying UCA was Darwins suggestion and part of TOE

No. Darwin himself suggested that God might have just created any number of original living things. It was in the last sentence of On the Origin of Species. It was a finding of genetics, not evolutionary theory

You were rejecting my assertion that Darwin claimed UCA. You clearly say its not part of TOE

Darwin suggested that God might have created any number of original organisms

Again you made this assertion while denying Darwins suggestion of UCA

That's not part of Darwin's theory. That's a finding of genetics, not evolutionary theory.

Again you are denying that UCA was part of Darwins theory and TOE

Nope. That's genetics. Maybe you could start by showing us which of the four points of evolutionary theory says what you have been told that it does

And again you denied that UCA was Darwins idea and part of TOE. Claiming that only genetics makes that assertion.

I could go on and on but 5 examples is enough. You consistently denied that UCA is a Darwin suggestion and part of TOE, claiming instead that it's only a part of genetics, and that there was several ancestors.

 

[stevesonthebay]

In a way the animal and spiritual human is a good destinction between the spirit and our carnal flesh instincts.

It seems humans have those base animal instincts but are also spiritual. Have conscious awareness of the spiritual beyond the flesh and know the difference between right and wrong. Have a conscience.

Its almost as though being born of the spirit is about sacrificing our base human nature to submit to the spirit. A higher disposition than animalistic behaviour.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

In a way the animal and spiritual human is a good destinction between the spirit and our carnal flesh instincts.

It seems humans have those base animal instincts but are also spiritual. Have conscious awareness of the spiritual beyond the flesh and know the difference between right and wrong. Have a conscience.

Its almost as though being born of the spirit is about sacrificing our base human nature to submit to the spirit. A higher disposition than animalistic behaviour.

I have a mate like Barbie, I pointed out to him that he is the missing link ! and he truly belives it !
He looks like a silverback and has long armes and short really bowed legs, that a dog could walk streight through at any time. and a head like a rock ! The hair on his arms is like sand papper.

Now he has been mistaken for big foot out in the bush at times.

But he has always bagged Christanity until a some years ago ? but his point of view on Christianity is all retarded spastic nonsense !
His 2ed wife was a Moromon and I got real on well with her. but he went to their Church once and they told him nicely and seriously never to come back, that's a fact !

His 3rd wife now is religious and does not like him swearing, the words offend her and her family , So he still carrys on ranting and raving like a total nut, but only changes the words ? using some childish nonsense dribbling words and I hate that dribble more than anything, as I take far more offence in that masqueradeing nonsense.

He came to my place once real happy and said that 2 blokes on a job site, had called him a Silverback ! he thinks it's a complement. he likes to be seen as a tough nut to crack. thick as a brick acually !

I was working for a China woman once and she was totaly open talking about anything, she pointed out that their was 3 types of race in China. I said yes I know, she could not believe that I knew, I said I had seen such in a book years ago.
Well she was one of the superiour race in China, she was tall and strong looking woman and a round type head much like a Jap and smart. she is like the leader of China looks. and she pointed out their history going way back and all. but her hubby was of another type of China race and he did as she told him what to do and he did such directly ! she was ponting such as she was not like them ? as she did not like that people from europe thought, that they were all just seen as just some sort of a more evolved monkeys ? she sure did not want to be seen as one of them.

But hey reality is best to get to understand what reality truly is in fact and not just be like a cultural Marxist cry babys that can never handel any truth, only because the truth hurts fools who are not mature enough to deal with reality, and not only that, they get offended over things that they can not deal with. They live in such a bubble, like bubble boy. so they live a Lie ! for their father is the father of all Lies ! Truth is not in them. and we see such in many poorly only religious people, because they think that they are to be idolised as gods. when they are so blinded by this world, that they want to be the direction ! when it's clearly the blind leading the blind.

 

[The Barbarian]

I have a mate like Barbie, I pointed out to him that he is the missing link ! and he truly belives it !
He looks like a silverback and has long armes and short really bowed legs, that a dog could walk streight through at any time. and a head like a rock ! The hair on his arms is like sand papper.

Actually, we didn't evolved from that kind of ape. That body shape is common in populations that live in really cold climates.

I was working for a China woman once and she was totaly open talking about anything, she pointed out that their was 3 types of race in China. I said yes I know,

Actually, there are no genetic human races now. Would you like to learn how we know?

 

[The Barbarian]

Pfft. Yea sure
You said that genetics claimed UCA. You remained adamant that it wasn't part of TOE or Darwins theory.

As you learned, Darwin supposed that God might have created any number of original species. But of course, that's not part of evolutionary theory, either.

You were rejecting my assertion that Darwin claimed UCA.

Well, let's take a look again...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one;"

Really no point in denying what he wrote.

 

[stevesonthebay]

I have a mate like Barbie, I pointed out to him that he is the missing link ! and he truly belives it !
He looks like a silverback and has long armes and short really bowed legs, that a dog could walk streight through at any time. and a head like a rock ! The hair on his arms is like sand papper.

Now he has been mistaken for big foot out in the bush at times.

But he has always bagged Christanity until a some years ago ? but his point of view on Christianity is all retarded spastic nonsense !
His 2ed wife was a Moromon and I got real on well with her. but he went to their Church once and they told him nicely and seriously never to come back, that's a fact !

His 3rd wife now is religious and does not like him swearing, the words offend her and her family , So he still carrys on ranting and raving like a total nut, but only changes the words ? using some childish nonsense dribbling words and I hate that dribble more than anything, as I take far more offence in that masqueradeing nonsense.

He came to my place once real happy and said that 2 blokes on a job site, had called him a Silverback ! he thinks it's a complement. he likes to be seen as a tough nut to crack. thick as a brick acually !

Sounds like the rugby league players up in northern England on a cold and miserable day hitting you square in the ribs with a front on tackle. Or the wharfies on Sydney docks back in the bad old days of the Painters and Dockers Union lol.

Or Tarzan the movie where he is being groomed into society with good manners but keeps on acting like an animal. But he is a amusing interest of study to the upper class.

I was working for a China woman once and she was totaly open talking about anything, she pointed out that their was 3 types of race in China. I said yes I know, she could not believe that I knew, I said I had seen such in a book years ago.
Well she was one of the superiour race in China, she was tall and strong looking woman and a round type head much like a Jap and smart. she is like the leader of China looks. and she pointed out their history going way back and all. but her hubby was of another type of China race and he did as she told him what to do and he did such directly ! she was ponting such as she was not like them ? as she did not like that people from europe thought, that they were all just seen as just some sort of a more evolved monkeys ? she sure did not want to be seen as one of them.

The Negro slaves were deemed a lower class of humans. More towards an animal than human. This was and still is the basis for ideas stemming from evolution and the idea that humans are a sort of blank slate and we can recreate new versions of ourselves. But I think Ai and robotics has taken over.

It actually feeds into the idea that humans and life is merely naturalistic and consciousness is a byproduct of the physical. Under this idea machines can theorectically become conscious. So its no longer a case that humans have to evolve subject to NS and mutations. Humans can control the creation of life and make Ai copies who will be the next generation humans.

But hey reality is best to get to understand what reality truly is in fact and not just be like a cultural Marxist cry babys that can never handel any truth, only because the truth hurts fools who are not mature enough to deal with reality, and not only that, they get offended over things that they can not deal with. They live in such a bubble, like bubble boy. so they live a Lie ! for their father is the father of all Lies ! Truth is not in them. and we see such in many poorly only religious people, because they think that they are to be idolised as gods. when they are so blinded by this world, that they want to be the direction ! when it's clearly the blind leading the blind.

Christ is the way, truth and life. So any alternative will be like living a lie. That is satans objective. To copy God and create his own version of humans and life.

Bit it may look good but will never bring true peace and happiness.

Thats because its all about pride and not being willing to submit to God. Or anyone. Pride is now the greatest sin of the modern times where people want to be the gods of their own life and world. Submitting to God means oppression and they must resist the oppressor including God.

 

[Armour of God]

Well, let's take a look again...
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one;"

Really no point in denying what he wrote.

Oh my goodness not this again. LoL.
We've been through this already, remember.
Darwin suggests multiple ancestors and he also suggests a single common ancestor.
We both agreed on this.

 

[Armour of God]

You must have a short memory as you keep on repeating these things that we have already covered. LoL. Don't you remember we agreed on that just yesterday