Is it okay to blame God for stuff that is his fault?

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Dan Clarkston

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Disagree.

Matthew 13:41,42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

It must be hard to continue ignoring what Jesus said about hell which is considering Jesus to not know what He's talking about.

We know the evil one leads people to ignore Jesus
 

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Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ...

@ Dan Clarkston
(Pay attention to the Facts of what applies to Whom: When, How, Why.)

Rev 20:
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

In brief…

ALIVE…
The devil……………….is a spirit….LOF
The beast…………….. is a spirit….LOF
The false prophet ….is a spirit….LOF

* spirits can NOT die.
* fallen spirits can and will be removed and kept removed, from the face of the earth Forever.
* They were created, made, holy… with Gods Truth and FREEWILL.
* They Rejected God.
* They spend their eternity…
“ALIVE…Separated from God.”

ManKIND are NOT spirits.
ManKIND Have…
* A Natural body, it’s Life, Blood.
* A Spiritual soul, it’s Life Gods Breath.
* A natural spirit, it’s Life Blood.
* They are created and made “good”, not holy, not with Gods Truth, and with FREEWILL.
* They must, shall Die.

*** They Are born, natural mortals, Against God.
They CAN Become changed…
* heartfully confess Belief.
* soul saved.
* spirit quickened.
* body transformed.
* alive eternally WITH God…

“OR”

Mortally Die, “WITH-OUT” God…
* Their Body, Rot, return to dust.
* Their Departed unsaved soul wait in hell for Judgement.
* Their natural spirit, Die with their Body.
** After Judgement…
* Life of their Soul Returns to God…

*** Their Life-LESS Body …
*** Their Life-LESS Soul …
“destroyed”…

Thrown into the Fire…
Burned up, Remembered no more.

Lifeless things Do NOT remain Alive.
Lifeless things Do NOT experience Torments, Suffering.

Glory to God,
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ManKIND are NOT spirits

You are already in error:

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

God created man in His Own Image and God is a Spirit, and do is man.
Man is a spirit that lives in a soul that lives in a body.

Man is a 3 part being just like God is

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.
After all... the Lord did in fact create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

Is your claim the Lord was in error when He said this in Genesis 1:26???


Pay attention to the Facts of what applies to Whom: When, How, Why

Your "facts" are error and not biblical.
 

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You are already in error:

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

God created man in His Own Image and God is a Spirit, and do is man.


Man is a 3 part being just like God is

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.
After all... the Lord did in fact create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

Is your claim the Lord was in error when He said this in Genesis 1:26???


Your "facts" are error and not biblical.


You are not paying attention to the knowledge Scripture Reveals.

God IS a Spirit.
God HAS (7 spirits).

ManKIND is NOT a spirit.
ManKIND is BORN “WITH” a “natural” spirit.
That means Man “HAS”…”NOT IS” a spirit!

ManKIND “IS” A Terrestrial (ie. earthly) KIND of TRIUNE being….in Gods “Likeness”.
1) Man “HAS” a body.
2) Man “HAS” A soul.
3) Man “HAS” A spirit.

ManKINDS, Body is “Created”, by God, Formed, Shaped, by God, in secret, in the womb.
The Body’s Life IS Blood.

The Body, (at birth) is Given a Gift from God, called A soul., Which “MAKES”, “specific body parts” Function.
(That soul, belongs to God, and is called by that body’s “given Nam.
That soul’s Life belongs to God, and is called “Gods Breath of Life”.
The particular body parts the Soul functions “IS”….for communication.
With A Soul…
Body, ears…….Hears.
Body, nose……Smells.
Body, eyes…….Sees.
Body, tongue…Tastes
Body, mouth….Utters sound.
Body, flesh…….Feels Touch.

A body is, required, Shall mortally Die.
A living SOUL shall “depart out of A mortally dead Body.

That Living soul Continues, Living, hearing, smelling, tasting, uttering sounds, feeling touch.

That Mortally Dead Body, hears, smells, tastes, utters, feels, knows NOTHING.

ManKINDS, “natural” spirit “IS” his “truth” in his heart.

ManKIND…is Offered the Gift of “a NEW TRUTH”… a Holy Truth from God.

ManKind who exercise their own FREEWILL to CHOOSE to Accept Gods Gift Offering…
Do So…BY, First believing in their own Heart, IN, the Lord God….
And Confessing Their True Belief… TO the Lord…
And as God Teaches, test, verify Everything you Hear, so also Does the Lord God…
He searches that man Heart, that his Belief And Confession BE TRUE…(or Not)

“IF” … his belief & confession BE True…
“THEN”…The Lord God…
Saves…(that mans Soul). Restores it to Very Good.
Gives that mans “natural spirit”, a New Seed, (Gods Seed), which Birth's that man “A NEW ever lasting Spirit…that can not Die”.)
That man Receives… Gods Holy Spirit of Truth.

Now you accuse, what you claim is conflict with Scripture…

Yet there is Not one thing I have said that is in Conflict with Scripture.

Men are Created….and MADE
Created men have FREEWILL.
Men MAKE poor decisions.
Men MAKE decisions that take them on a journey Distant from God.

God OFFERS Men, A “WAY”, A manner, an Order…. For Men to Become…. By, Through, Of Gods POWER…
“Re-MADE”…. IN Gods “Likeness”…

Human Men…do see Body’s of men.
Human Men…do Not SEE souls or spirits of men.

A Few men… were “ALLOWED” to See “A” BODY, God “Prepared”, (in the Likeness of men) FOR men To SEE, And For Men TO KILL…

Is your claim the Lord was in error when He said this in Genesis 1:26???

Not at all…
God MADE man to Receive a “Good Soul”.

Man having been Made to receive, Have a “GOOD” soul… doesn’t mean MAN KEPT his “soul” Good.

Gen 1:
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air,


So God Offers a WAY for a mans, Corrupt / Sinful Soul, to be forgiven and restored.

Pss 23:
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Creation is one thing…
Making is another thing…

God Created… Done deal.
God Makes…….Good, and Can MAKE the “corrupted”, restored to GOOD.

God Created “Natural spirits”…for “Natural body’s”… that must Die
Yet God OFFER, A WAY, means, manner, order, For mens “natural spirit” to receive. A NEW Seed… Gods Seed, that such spirit will be “reborn” and NEVER die.

Gods Abundant Grace, to Men who choose to with Him Forever…

AND

Gods Abundant Grace, to “Men” who Reject God… that They…Do Not… receive a spirit that Lives Forever, without God…in torments and suffering.


1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes…
You wholly, (all), (triune)… sanctified..(set apart)…
Your body….To be risen glorified/ sinless/ holy
Your soul…..restored back to good
Your spirit….born again of Gods SEED.

Man is a spirit.

No.
Man is a terrestrial creature.
Man Has a body.
Man HAS a spirit.
Man HAS a soul.

Animals are terrestrial creatures.
Animals HAVE a body.
Animals Have a soul.
Animals do NOT Have a spirit.

Angels ARE celestial creatures.
Angels ARE Spirits.
Angels HAVE Body’s, Humans can not see.
Angels Have a soul.
Angels Have the ability to “take upon themselves”…a body, Humans CAN see.
(and the Human would NOT know, they were an Angel/Spirit)…


Your "facts" are error and not biblical.

Too vague…
Quote any one thing You challenge is false.
 

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Thrown into the Fire…
Burned up, Remembered no more.
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

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Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Scripture named “They”
I named “They”

Why do you include People?
 

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Scripture named “They”
I named “They”

Why do you include People?
Because Jesus said so, several times.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 

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Because Jesus said so, several times.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Are “you cursed”…”THEY” who are “Given everlasting LIFE”?
 

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Are “you cursed”…”THEY” who are “Given everlasting LIFE”?
No, that's for those who deny Jesus' several warnings about THE FIRE! They are leading people to Hell Fire!

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
 

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You are not paying attention to the knowledge Scripture Reveals.

That's your department.


God IS a Spirit.
ManKIND is NOT a spirit.

So your claim is when God said He created man in His Own image you claim He lied and you claim 1 Thessalonians 5:23 is a lie as well. Got it.

Sadly you are void of understanding which is common among those that believe some things the Lord says in His Word are lies.

This is what people that are being led of the devil do.
 

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Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment

Matthew 13:41,42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mark 9:43-44
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist. Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.

Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.

Feel free to continue claiming Jesus Christ is ignorant on the topic of hell.

Those doing so are scheduled to find out about hell first hand!
 

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Are “you cursed”…”THEY” who are “Given everlasting LIFE”?

Those who claim Jesus is a liar are cursed because they are listening to the devil and have put themselves in opposition to the Lord by being in agreement with the devil who keeps telling them Jesus is lying about hell.
 
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No, that's for those who deny Jesus' several warnings about THE FIRE! They are leading people to Hell Fire!

So, The “cursed”… are “NOT” given everlasting Life…

But “ARE” Alive forever in an “Everlasting Fire”?

Your “conclusion has a Flaw”…
Not given “everlasting life” …
But “Alive forever” ?
 

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Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment

Matthew 13:41,42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mark 9:43-44
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist. Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.

Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.

Feel free to continue claiming Jesus Christ is ignorant on the topic of hell.

Those doing so are scheduled to find out about hell first hand!
I think you meant that for someone else?
So, The “cursed”… are “NOT” given everlasting Life…

But “ARE” Alive forever in an “Everlasting Fire”?

Your “conclusion has a Flaw”…
Not given “everlasting life” …
But “Alive forever” ?
Why are you totally ignoring all the warnings from Jesus about the EVERLASTING Fire??? BILLIONS of humans will burn in Hell FOREVER who don't believe in Hell. Do you really be accountable on Judgment Day for those you convince there is no Hell Fire? Did you read Dan's quotes of Jesus about THE FIRE?
 

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I think you meant that for someone else?

Why are you totally ignoring all the warnings from Jesus about the EVERLASTING Fire??? BILLIONS of humans will burn in Hell FOREVER who don't believe in Hell. Do you really be accountable on Judgment Day for those you convince there is no Hell Fire? Did you read Dan's quotes of Jesus about THE FIRE?

No…
“everlasting Fire”, speaks of a fire that is never quenched.

WHAT is “thrown into that Fire”…
Is the POINT.

Three Things…shall be thrown into THAT Fire.

1) All “WORKS”, that did NOT Glorify God.
Burned up, forgotten.

2) All “Fallen Angels”.
They suffer in torments forever…
BECAUSE… they ARE “spirits that can NEVER die”.
They suffer torments… Because THEY ARE ALIVE. They can not burn up!

3) All dead lifeless Body’s of men, their Lifeless soul, ( who were NEVER given a born again (everliving spirit)…
Their Lifeless body…
Their Lifeless soul…
Feels Nothing, IS Burned up, Destroyed, Forgotten.

Lifeless Bodys and Souls FEELS, Knows, Nothing!

Ever seen a Lifeless Dead Human Body in Pain, Torments?
 

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Revealed in MY WORDS….
“All Scripture is True.”

And yet you continue to reject portions of God's Word your spirit guides have instructed you to reject. Weird.


I only see that Claim in “your words.”

And yet you continue to reject portions of God's Word your spirit guides have instructed you to reject. Continues to be weird.


Why are you totally ignoring all the warnings from Jesus about the EVERLASTING Fire??? BILLIONS of humans will burn in Hell FOREVER who don't believe in Hell. Do you really be accountable on Judgment Day for those you convince there is no Hell Fire? Did you read Dan's quotes of Jesus about THE FIRE?

He's a cherry picker apparently.

His spirit guides have convinced him that Jesus spoke in error about hell.
 

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And yet you continue to reject portions of God's Word your spirit guides have instructed you to reject. Weird.

However… while that IS “YOUR ACCUSATION”…
Not once have you “QUOTED me” REJECTING ONE WORD of God!

Pretty handy, for you to SPEAK for me, REJECT what you say FOR me…
Then BE content… with yourself.

Gaslighter!
 
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