The Garden Of Eden

[Eyeball Dub]

If the tree in the garden was of “the knowledge of good and evil”...it means that they were not programmed to decide between those two opposites. God was going to bring good things to them, whilst keeping evil things away from them......if only they had obeyed God’s simple command, they would still be here with us enjoying unending life in paradise....they would never have known an evil thing.

The New Jerusalem is a perfect Earth, it is not the same as the garden of Eden, it is not a restoration of the garden of Eden. The garden of Eden would have remained the same unchanged forever if Adam and Eve did not eat the forbidden fruit.

From there we can conclude that "God" looks exactly like Adam while Jesus looks exactly like the Father.

Genesis 3:15 ESV I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Daniel 2:42-43 ESV And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. (43) As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.

H342
איבה
'êybâh
BDB Definition:
1) enmity, hatred

 

[soberxp]

The New Jerusalem is a perfect Earth, it is not the same as the garden of Eden, it is not a restoration of the garden of Eden. The garden of Eden would have remained the same unchanged forever if Adam and Eve did not eat the forbidden fruit.

From there we can conclude that "God" looks exactly like Adam while Jesus looks exactly like the Father.

Genesis 3:15 ESV I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Daniel 2:42-43 ESV And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. (43) As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.

H342
איבה
'êybâh
BDB Definition:
1) enmity, hatred

What if all the unbelievers and fake believer is the offspring of the serpent?
Will you love your enemies?

 

[Aunty Jane]

The New Jerusalem is a perfect Earth, it is not the same as the garden of Eden, it is not a restoration of the garden of Eden. The garden of Eden would have remained the same unchanged forever if Adam and Eve did not eat the forbidden fruit.

Have you read Genesis? The garden of Eden was basically a blueprint of what God wanted the whole world to look like. Humans would “fill the earth” with their children and “subdue” the land outside of the garden, extending the borders of their garden home, until the whole earth became a paradise.
Humans living forever on earth, in peace and security, was always God’s plan....it will yet be accomplished. (Isa 55:11; Rev 21:2-5)

From there we can conclude that "God" looks exactly like Adam while Jesus looks exactly like the Father.

Where does the Bible say that? Adam was made in God’s image, but Yahweh is “the invisible God”, (Col 1:15) so there is no way to make Jesus or Adam physically “look like” God. They were created with God’s qualities and character.

Genesis 3:15 ESV I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

This is the Bible’s First prophesy.....it was a response to the rebellion, but would not have been necessary if Adam had not thrown us all under the bus by his disobedience. (Rom 5:12)

Daniel 2:42-43 ESV And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. (43) As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.

This is Daniel’s prophesy of the end times...the iron and clay represent the failure of western democratic governments. The strong elements of government are undermined by the fickle will of the people...no more so than what we see happening in the world right now.

H342
איבה
'êybâh
BDB Definition:
1) enmity, hatred

Do you not see the enmity and hatred that is expressed by one sector of a political party for their opposition? Propaganda is what feeds this hatred....it’s all lies. The devil’s world is at war with itself...

Do you not see also religion as a divisive element causing enmity and hatred among the world’s population?
People are so stuck on supporting their political or religious ideologies, that they don’t even know that they are supporting the wrong government.
God’s Kingdom is the only government Christians can support.....any support for the political decisions of selfish and greedy men, is fighting for the enemy....no matter how it appears on the surface.

We can let God fight his own battles because he has a military force that no humans can match or defeat.

 

[soberxp]

Have you read Genesis? The garden of Eden was basically a blueprint of what God wanted the whole world to look like. Humans would “fill the earth” with their children and “subdue” the land outside of the garden, extending the borders of their garden home, until the whole earth became a paradise.
Humans living forever on earth, in peace and security, was always God’s plan....it will yet be accomplished. (Isa 55:11; Rev 21:2-5)

Do you believe that the earth could feed the whole people from the past until the end on the surface at the same time?

I can't believe that.

 

[Wick Stick]

Have you noticed that God did not place cherubim to guard the tree of knowledge of good and evil? He only placed the cherubim after The Fall of Adam and Eve to guard the tree of life. Have you also noticed that God and the Serpent were pictured as humans like God was walking in the cool of the day unaware of actions of Adam and Eve? I think man is God, God is man, the image of God. I think God knew that Adam and Eve would disobey Him because it is in the nature of humans to be weak and susceptible. Jesus also disobeyed God by breaking the Sabbath law by working on a Sabbath day.

John 5:16-17 ESV And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. (17) But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working."

The punishment for the Serpent was not that severe, he was supposed to eat dust for the rest of his life. Adam is made of dust or earth and Paul said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 ESV (50) I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Genesis 3:14 ESV The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life.

1 Corinthians 5:4-5 ESV (4) When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, (5) you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 ESV (45) Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. (46) But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. (47) The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.

Have you noticed that Ezekiel knows ALL about Adam & Eve? He even writes about the covering cherub guardian Angel that keeps the way back into Eden. Ezekiel knows things about Eden that modern scholars seem to have forgotten

 

[Aunty Jane]

Do you believe that the earth could feed the whole people from the past until the end on the surface at the same time?

I can't believe that.

As it appears on the surface of things, perhaps not...but remember one thing....the earth is not in the condition that God originally intended....there are deserts and wilderness regions that are largely uninhabited and largely uninhabitable. What does Isaiah foretell about the new world to come?

Isaiah 35:1-6....
“The wilderness and the parched land will exult,
And the desert plain will be joyful and blossom as the saffron.
2  Without fail it will blossom;
It will rejoice and shout for joy.
The glory of Lebʹa·non will be given to it,
The splendor of Carʹmel and of Sharʹon.
They will see the glory of Jehovah, the splendor of our God.

3  Strengthen the weak hands,
And make firm the knees that are shaking.
4  Say to those who are anxious at heart:

“Be strong. Do not be afraid.

Look! Your own God will come with vengeance,
God will come with retribution.
He will come and save you.”

5  At that time the eyes of the blind will be opened,
And the ears of the deaf will be unstopped.
6  At that time the lame will leap like the deer,
And the tongue of the speechless will shout for joy.
For waters will burst forth in the wilderness,
And streams in the desert plain.”

Once the whole world is in the paradise condition that God first intended, (Rev 21:2-5) there will be plenty of arable land to grow enough food for all of earth’s inhabitants...it will also have God’s blessing rather than the curse that God put on the earth after the fall in Eden.

Remember too that God’s instruction to his human children was to “fill the earth”...not to “over fill” it.

God doesn’t say what plans he had beyond that point....would he cease reproduction among the human family? Or would he make other planets habitable and invite humans to populate beyond earth’s solar system? He doesn’t say, but we can be assured that his will is sure to be accomplished in that new world. (Isa 55:11)

 

[Eyeball Dub]

What if all the unbelievers and fake believer is the offspring of the serpent?
Will you love your enemies?

Loving your enemy is unconditional.

Luke 6:27-35 ESV "But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, (28) bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. (29) To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. (30) Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. (31) And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them. (32) "If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. (33) And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. (34) And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. (35) But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.

 

[Eyeball Dub]

Where does the Bible say that? Adam was made in God’s image, but Yahweh is “the invisible God”, (Col 1:15) so there is no way to make Jesus or Adam physically “look like” God. They were created with God’s qualities and character.

To be perfected in Christ is a process all Christians would go through, that would not be possible if we were just enjoying life in paradise with Adam and Eve before the Fall.

God does not change, if Adam looked exactly like Jesus he would not have disobeyed God because he already very well know the difference between good and evil.

James 1:17 ESV Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

Hebrews 1:10-12 ESV And, "You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; (11) they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, (12) like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end."

John 14:9 ESV Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 14:6 ESV Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

[Aunty Jane]

To be perfected in Christ is a process all Christians would go through, that would not be possible if we were just enjoying life in paradise with Adam and Eve before the Fall.

Let me just address this one statement because it makes the rest of your post depend on a false premise.
Of course God does not change and no one is disputing that.....what you have failed to consider is the reason why God created humans to live on this beautifully prepared planet in the first place. Why are we here, and how long did God design us to live here?
Can we explore these very important questions?

1) Why are we here?
Before material creation, God and his spiritual children lived in a realm that is invisible to humans. The angels, who share that realm with God and his firstborn Son, were created before the Universe came into existence....we know that because Job tells us that they applauded the creation of the material realm, including its living beings....a creation unlike themselves. (Job 38:4-7)

The preparation of one tiny planet, in one solar system, in a corner of one galaxy among millions, was chosen to bring sentient material life into existence. Appointed as caretakers of this whole arrangement, were the only beings who were made in God’s image....with intelligence and creativity....and a love of creation instilled in them, so that taking care of this creation would be a pleasure.....and living in that beautiful unspoiled environment would guarantee that they would care for it as God himself would. That was the start that God gave them....created to live here as their permanent home.

As part of being created in God’s image and likeness, they also had free will, but in order to keep that free will from being abused, God placed two trees in the garden....one that rewarded obedience....and the other as a penalty for disobedience. They had access to both tree in the beginning, but a third party stepped in and messed everything up. An angel was stationed as a guardian in Eden (Ezekiel 28:13-15) and observed the worship that these lower creatures would naturally give to their Creator....he began to envy that adulation and got carried away by his own magnificence, seeking a way to gain their worship for himself...we all know what happened. But God’s first purpose for humankind did not go away.....he used the rebellion to teach all of his free willed children not to abuse it.....he allowed them to try and rule themselves under the influence of the one they chose to obey. (1 John 5:19: Luke 4:5-7)

How long did God design us to live here on this earth?
Since one of the trees in the garden was “the tree of life”, this tree was a guarantee of everlasting life in mortal flesh....access to this tree meant living forever, but because of partaking of the TKGE, (which carried the death penalty) God restricted access to the tree of life, stationing faithful angels to guard it so that no creature partook of its fruit. (Gen 3:22-24) Death would now come to all humans because it was an inheritance from our first parents, (Rom 5:12) and because there was no access to the “tree of life”, death was inevitable for all. Only God could provide the means to escape this death....which he did in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Was God’s first purpose lost for us? NO! By allowing both humans and angels to see and experience the folly of disobeying God, He would set precedents for all time to come, concerning the necessity to obey God in all things. Humans remain mortal but access to the “trees of life” are mentioned again in Revelation.
So there is an end to the lesson...and a restoration of God’s first purpose for this earth and humankind upon it. (Rev 21:2-4)

Heaven is mentioned only for the elect, who will join their King and High Priest in ruling over redeemed mankind on earth, (including resurrected ones) restoring all that was lost for us by the rebellion......it created precedents that will govern mankind for the rest of eternity....there will be no basis to allow for rebellion ever again, no matter where God’s creation ends up....he may well go onto populate other planets in the Universe......it’s a vast space and he can do whatever he pleases....

But we need to know why he created us here, and what the future holds for those who demonstrate their faith in his ability to carry out his own will. (Isa 55:11)

 

[Davy]

Let me just address this one statement because it makes the rest of your post depend on a false premise.
Of course God does not change and no one is disputing that.....what you have failed to consider is the reason why God created humans to live on this beautifully prepared planet in the first place. Why are we here, and how long did God design us to live here?
Can we explore these very important questions?

1) Why are we here?
Before material creation, God and his spiritual children lived in a realm that is invisible to humans. The angels, who share that realm with God and his firstborn Son, were created before the Universe came into existence....we know that because Job tells us that they applauded the creation of the material realm, including its living beings....a creation unlike themselves. (Job 38:4-7)

The preparation of one tiny planet, in one solar system, in a corner of one galaxy among millions, was chosen to bring sentient material life into existence. Appointed as caretakers of this whole arrangement, were the only beings who were made in God’s image....with intelligence and creativity....and a love of creation instilled in them, so that taking care of this creation would be a pleasure.....and living in that beautiful unspoiled environment would guarantee that they would care for it as God himself would. That was the start that God gave them....created to live here as their permanent home.

As part of being created in God’s image and likeness, they also had free will, but in order to keep that free will from being abused, God placed two trees in the garden....one that rewarded obedience....and the other as a penalty for disobedience.

Up to that last sentence you were doing fairly good. Then you brought in a doctrine of men about Lucifer and the tree in the midst of the garden.

Per God's parable about Lucifer using the "king of Tyrus" as a type, God said He created Lucifer perfect in his ways originally. Lucifer (means 'morning star') had the job originally of guarding God's Throne as a covering cherub. So Lucifer was right there at God's Altar following God, until he coveted God's Throne for himself and wanted to be God. That is why Lucifer fell, and when he first fell from Heaven. In that time before... Lucifer rebelled, there could not have been a tree in the midst of God's Eden to tempt Eve. The tempting of Eve happened as part of THIS PRESENT WORLD, once man was made flesh per the 2nd world earth age we are still in.

Thus the order of events are:
1. All the angels sing for joy at God laying the foundation of the earth (and universe). Truly, the angels had already been created.
2. That early time, a 1st earth age, was an angelic world earth age. The angels lived upon a 'perfect' earth, no death, no evil, no hunger, no hot or cold, etc.
3. Lucifer was like the 'high cedar', meaning like royal status at God's Throne as a cherub that covereth the Mercy Seat (God's Throne). It was Lucifer's job to guard it. God made Lucifer perfect in his ways, and he following God at this time.

4. THE OVERTHROW-- Lucifer then rebelled in coveting God's Throne for himself, wanting to be God, and he still does want to be God today.
5. God cast Lucifer and one third of the angels which followed him out of Eden. Not out of the Heavenly dimension, but out of God's Eden. And God destroyed that 1st earth world age using a flood of waters (not Noah's flood, but a previous world flood prior to Adam and Eve.)


6. At Genesis 1:2, the earth is covered by that flood of waters. God had already created the heavens and the earth at Genesis 1:1, which is not a summary statement.
7. God then began to move the waters spread upon the earth and created today's sky atmosphere around the earth. He then moved the rest of the waters that were left covering the earth around upon the earth until the dry land appeared (or re-appeared). This is about today's imperfect... 2nd world earth age we are still in today. God placed His creation of today in "vanity" Apostle Paul said, in "bondage of corruption", so it seeks a release from that bondage back to how His original Perfect creation was (Rom.8:18-25).

8. God's Garden of Eden was still upon the earth right after Lucifer had rebelled. God then created Adam in the flesh using God's Own Image outward Likeness of man, which also is the outward image the angels have. At THIS POINT is when Lucifer's 'tree in the midst of the Garden' was made manifest, meaning it had to have been AFTER Lucifer had already rebelled.
9. Then Lucifer, in his 'new' role as Satan (means the Adversary or tempter), tempted Eve in God's Garden with the tree in the midst of the Garden of Eden which God forbid Adam and Eve from eating from.
10. Because Adam and Eve sinned in disobeying God's commandment to not eat of the tree in the midst of the Garden, He kicked Adam and Eve out of His Eden, and instead removed His Garden of Eden off this earth to an invisible Heavenly dimension with flaming cherub guarding the way to the Tree of Life. All these events are part of this 2nd world earth age preserved to be destroyed by God's consuming fire.

 

[TazzJazz]

As it appears on the surface of things, perhaps not...but remember one thing....the earth is not in the condition that God originally intended....there are deserts and wilderness regions that are largely uninhabited and largely uninhabitable. What does Isaiah foretell about the new world to come?

Isaiah 35:1-6....
“The wilderness and the parched land will exult,
And the desert plain will be joyful and blossom as the saffron.
2  Without fail it will blossom;
It will rejoice and shout for joy.
The glory of Lebʹa·non will be given to it,
The splendor of Carʹmel and of Sharʹon.
They will see the glory of Jehovah, the splendor of our God.

3  Strengthen the weak hands,
And make firm the knees that are shaking.
4  Say to those who are anxious at heart:

“Be strong. Do not be afraid.

Look! Your own God will come with vengeance,
God will come with retribution.
He will come and save you.”

5  At that time the eyes of the blind will be opened,
And the ears of the deaf will be unstopped.
6  At that time the lame will leap like the deer,
And the tongue of the speechless will shout for joy.
For waters will burst forth in the wilderness,
And streams in the desert plain.”

Once the whole world is in the paradise condition that God first intended, (Rev 21:2-5) there will be plenty of arable land to grow enough food for all of earth’s inhabitants...it will also have God’s blessing rather than the curse that God put on the earth after the fall in Eden.

Remember too that God’s instruction to his human children was to “fill the earth”...not to “over fill” it.

God doesn’t say what plans he had beyond that point....would he cease reproduction among the human family? Or would he make other planets habitable and invite humans to populate beyond earth’s solar system? He doesn’t say, but we can be assured that his will is sure to be accomplished in that new world. (Isa 55:11)

AJ, have you seen a song video that's been going around our circles? In showing pictures of the paradise Earth (that we look forward to), there's one that shows some people living underneath the ocean! With Jehovah's spirit permeating the Earth & guiding mankind, the technology allowing for such a feat would be perfectly safe!

Imagine...that would certainly increase Earth's habitable areas!! Imagine the technology, all clean and safe!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Up to that last sentence you were doing fairly good. Then you brought in a doctrine of men about Lucifer and the tree in the midst of the garden.

Since it is all recorded in Genesis, how is it “a doctrine of men”....there were two trees in the garden, but Lucifer is not even mentioned. A serpent is mentioned but it is not until the Revelation that “the original serpent” is identified as “the devil and satan”....not names, but character descriptors.... a slanderer and resistor, a man slayer..but no “Lucifer” .

”And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8  but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9  So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. .
I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11  And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12  On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”

This is a perfect description of the world as we know it today...the devil and his hordes are angry and stirring up so much trouble, in their last ditch attempt to take as many down with them as they can. It’s a global assault, not a local one.

Per God's parable about Lucifer using the "king of Tyrus" as a type, God said He created Lucifer perfect in his ways originally. Lucifer (means 'morning star') had the job originally of guarding God's Throne as a covering cherub. So Lucifer was right there at God's Altar following God, until he coveted God's Throne for himself and wanted to be God. That is why Lucifer fell, and when he first fell from Heaven. In that time before... Lucifer rebelled, there could not have been a tree in the midst of God's Eden to tempt Eve. The tempting of Eve happened as part of THIS PRESENT WORLD, once man was made flesh per the 2nd world earth age we are still in.

Yes, using the King of Tyre as a type for the devil, he went on to describe satan as a once faithful angel who got carried away with his own magnificence.....so where does “Lucifer” come into this story?

The name “Lucifer” occurs once in the Scriptures, and only in some versions of the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isa 14:12... “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”

ESV...“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground,you who laid the nations low!”

NASB...“How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!”

NET...”Look how you have fallen from the sky, O shining one, son of the dawn!You have been cut down to the ground, O conqueror of the nations!”

Who then is this Lucifer?
The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty.

That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature. (Isa 14:4, 15, 16)

So this Lucifer is not satan the devil, but one who acts like him in arrogance.

The king of Babylon was to be called “the shining one” only after his fall....and in a taunting way. (Isa 14:3)

Selfish pride prompted Babylon’s kings to elevate themselves above those around them. So great was the arrogance of the dynasty that it is portrayed as bragging: “To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. . . . I shall make myself resemble the Most High.” (Isa 14:13-14)

Sorry, but I believe you are way off track.....and the rest of your post is based on a wrong premise.

Thus the order of events are:
1. All the angels sing for joy at God laying the foundation of the earth (and universe). Truly, the angels had already been created.
2. That early time, a 1st earth age, was an angelic world earth age. The angels lived upon a 'perfect' earth, no death, no evil, no hunger, no hot or cold, etc.
3. Lucifer was like the 'high cedar', meaning like royal status at God's Throne as a cherub that covereth the Mercy Seat (God's Throne). It was Lucifer's job to guard it. God made Lucifer perfect in his ways, and he following God at this time.

Where will I find any of this about Lucifer in Scripture? Lucifer is not another name for satan...and there is no such thing as “an angelic world earth age”...faithful angels are spirit beings, who had no reason to live on earth....the spirit realm is their abode.....faithful angels could become visitors to the earth in their role as messengers, but they did not live here as material beings except for the pre-flood period, where some who followed satan into rebellion, materialized and co-habited with human women to produce the Nephilim....gigantic semi human beings who were violent bullies and who ruled the world with terror. God brought the flood to deal with them....hybrid humans who were wicked like their demon fathers, and had no right to live, as they were not sons of God.
The flood also sent their errant father’s back to the spirit realm where God placed restrictions on them. (2 Pet 2:4) These “sons of God” were never said to materialize again...although faithful angels did.

The rest of your post has no support in Scripture at all.....who on earth made all that up? It is a very fanciful story with nothing to back it up.

 

[Eyeball Dub]

What if all the unbelievers and fake believer is the offspring of the serpent?
Will you love your enemies?

If all of us become Satan there will be no more enemy, the world will be a very happy place.

1 Corinthians 15:50 ESV (50) I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

1 Corinthians 5:4-5 ESV (4) When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, (5) you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Matthew 10:28 ESV And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[soberxp]

If all of us become Satan there will be no more enemy, the world will be a very happy place.

Satan only attacks each other, there's no happy place.
Here are the three passages (ESV translation):

**Matthew 12:25-26**
> Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?”

**Mark 3:24-26**
> “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.”

**Luke 11:17-18**
> But he, knowing their thoughts, said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and a divided household falls. And if Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebul.”

 

[Eyeball Dub]

Satan only attacks each other, there's no happy place.
Here are the three passages (ESV translation):

**Matthew 12:25-26**
> Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?”

**Mark 3:24-26**
> “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.”

**Luke 11:17-18**
> But he, knowing their thoughts, said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and a divided household falls. And if Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebul.”

Matthew 12:24-27 ESV But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons." (25) Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. (26) And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? (27) And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges.

Jesus said He was not casting out demons by authority of Beelzebul, because Beelzebul casting out his own children would not be logical.

Luke 6:32 ESV "If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.

 

[soberxp]

Matthew 12:24-27 ESV But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons." (25) Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. (26) And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? (27) And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges.

Jesus said He was not casting out demons by authority of Beelzebul, because Beelzebul casting out his own children would not be logical.

Luke 6:32 ESV "If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.

So love every one,show your kindness.
But it's not easy to do.
Some people can really Made you angry.
Especially when people call themselves believers.But can't tell the good from the bad.And still think evil is good.
That's really Made you mad.

 

[Eyeball Dub]

So love every one,show your kindness.
But it's not easy to do.
Some people can really Made you angry.
Especially when people call themselves believers.But can't tell the good from the bad.And still think evil is good.
That's really Made you mad.

Pain and suffering is not desirable but it is necessary to achieve perfection in Christ through purification. Pain and suffering is not evil in itself since having a purpose for purification.

Luke 12:49 ISV "I have come to bring fire on earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

AJ, have you seen a song video that's been going around our circles? In showing pictures of the paradise Earth (that we look forward to), there's one that shows some people living underneath the ocean! With Jehovah's spirit permeating the Earth & guiding mankind, the technology allowing for such a feat would be perfectly safe!

Imagine...that would certainly increase Earth's habitable areas!! Imagine the technology, all clean and safe!

Two thoughts on living under the ocean.
One is the passage on there being no more sea.
Second is we try to fit it into this earth but what of He creates a New Heaven and earth?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Do you believe that the earth could feed the whole people from the past until the end on the surface at the same time?

I can't believe that.

‘Do you believe that the earth could feed the whole people from the past until the end on the surface at the same time?’

I can’t believe that either.
But it is possible that the Spirit could feed the whole people from the past until the end …all at the same time, in His Time.

Also, the Temple built without hands, to raise up many generations …how does it House so many and still…there is room for more? Plus, not only all those built upon the foundation but also it’s built for the Habitat of God. Room endless? Or overcrowded and not enough food?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Two thoughts on living under the ocean.
One is the passage on there being no more sea.

What sea is this?
Isaiah describes a sea of wicked mankind.....

“But the wicked are like the restless sea that cannot calm down,
And its waters keep tossing up seaweed and mire.”

That is the sea that will be no more......wickedness and all who practice it will be eliminated forever. (Rev 21:2-4)

Second is we try to fit it into this earth but what of He creates a New Heaven and earth?

This is also symbolic as there never was any defect in the literal heavens or earth in the beginning.....the “kosmos” translated “earth” is the human race descended from Adam and Eve.....the earth was to become a literal paradise with them and their descendants transforming the world outside of their garden home, into a global paradise....but the rebellion in Eden put that on hold.....the “new earth” will be a restoration of that original paradise on earth....and since we were to be ruled from heaven by God, the “new heavens” will be a restoration of God’s rulership over earth, replacing the failed rulership of the devil, to whom God gave that authority. (Luke 4:5-7)

For the answers about the end times, we have to go back to the beginning....