This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!
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Spiritual Israelite
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I was not familiar with that term, so I just did some quick research on it. You deny the deity of Jesus Christ and that the Bible is inspired by God? Do you deny that people can have a personal spiritual relationship with God?
I am a deist who believes in the bible, even with its errors. People do not have personal relationships with God. They might with the Devil by using drugs.
Spiritual Israelite
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So, you think the Bible has errors and you deny that Jesus is God and that we can have a personal relationship with God. Where do your beliefs come from? Clearly not from the Bible since it teaches that Jesus is God and that we can have a personal spiritual relationship with Him by placing our faith in Him and believing that He died for our sins and rose again from the dead.
Renaissance Deism had similar beliefs, and I believe Jesus died above sins a.k.a. wrongs rather than for them.
Zao is life
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Maybe He is not with you. But He is with every believer in Jesus, and those who believe in the records of the apostles and Luke. Though we disagree and carry on like He told us not to because we disagree on how to interpret every point, we wouldn't even believe if we had not His witness (the witness of the Holy Spirit).
The Holy Spirit is with @Spiritual Israelite and @covenantee and @Trekson and probably all others who have been posting in this thread.
If He was with you, you would know it, and you would never say "The Holy Spirit is not with us".
Spiritual Israelite
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What does that mean?
I want you to know something since you have obviously been deceived. The Bible teaches that you need to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God the Father raised Him from the dead in order to be saved.
Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
If you do not do this, then you will end up in hell with God's wrath on you and when Jesus returns you will have to give an account of yourself to explain why you did not repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior when you had the chance. So, do it today. Do it now. Today is the day and now is the time of salvation. Ask God to show you the truth so that you can know what He requires you to do before it's too late.
it was more of an ironic allusion to one of spiritual Israelites often used arguments I’ve come across. People often claim they are the ones truly lead by the spirit, and yet they argue with others claiming the spirit is truly leading them. In this case who does spirit truly lead in understanding between these 2 opposing frameworks?
My spirit [was] led by my mind to react to your post.
It means noone is safe or rescued. Besides the passage is not afterlife related. You only think it is. I need to write a paper on this, really...
I would probably write it somewhat in the Unorthodox Theology Forum, BTW.
Spiritual Israelite
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Great job of missing the reason why I questioned him. I never claim or imply that I'm the only one interpreting a passage correctly as he was doing by saying that no one agreed with what he believed the Holy Spirit showed him about the meaning of Daniel 9:24-27.
Spiritual Israelite
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Spiritual Israelite
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What does that mean? It's a good thing to ask God for wisdom. Do you not want wisdom? Or is James 1:5-7 one of those Bible passages that you think are in error?
Prayer solves nothing. Goodbye for now.
Spiritual Israelite
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So, I guess the following verse is one of the verses that you think are in error since you clearly don't believe it is true.
James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
I'm not, But Lk. 21:21 is a stand-alone prophecy that doesn't line up w/ the other two gospel accounts.
The question becomes based on which interpretation lines up w/ the 'whole" of prophecy and not just a couple of segments.
It lines up perfectly with fulfilled history, same as the other two Gospel accounts.
The flight of the Judaean Christians.
There's no lining up better than that.
No one is saying it didn't happen but 70ad was the beginning of most end times prophecies not the end.
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