The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

[Marvelloustime]

what did GOD tell the jews .
YOU cast MY WORDS behind you . well hello lots of christendom so do YOU .
And i aint saying that to be mean . i say it as a wake up call . My desire IS GOOD for the people
and not their destruction . Tis why i have long been saying , TIME to get into the bible now .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

The bible say "I am the "vine" you are the branches". That is a completely different metaphor because it ends up being about the fruit of the vine.

kinda like the branches of the tree that bear fruit . SAME thing my friend .

 

[Marvelloustime]

and what DID JESUS say to do to those who rejected the gospel .
What did john say about those who bring not this doctrine .
What did paul say to do if even we , an angel or etc brings ANY other gospel unto you ................
IF one hears not the gospel
if one tries to bring another gospel
And that one wont recieve the truth and correction . ITS CALLED REMOVE THEM . but oh no
its obvious that aint done . its rather judge not you dont know his heart . odd huh .
In fact even if brethren are IN SIN , are a fornicator , covetous , idolator etc
Wasnt the command NOT TO EVEN eat with such .
BUT AGAIN their response , DONT JUDGE , HEY WE ALL SIN . SHUT up hater . stop judging .
Odd huh .
But look again for it gets worse . Till now you got not only sin not being corrected , IT LED and leads TO ACCEPTANCE OF IT .
cause well leaven does that .
But look again and ye shall see even worse .
NOW under the same judge not b anner
WHEN one even says the muslims , hindus , etc DO NOT know GOD , NEED to repent to beleive ON JESUS
well here is the response , OH DONT JUDGE , YOU dont know their hearts
There are good people in all religoins .
DO YA SEE the problem yet . WHEN LEAVEN is allowed to remain
ITS GONNA GROW . cause error only begets MORE ERROR till the whole is leavend up full .
WE are in serious trouble my friend . And when i say we i mean the churches . my soul has wept for them
and by grace for years i have been warning . But man its only getting worse all the time .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

i understand that folks see me as Grave .
In fact they see that as wrong .
But tell me were not the people to have been grave , specially your leaders .
You know about the only grave i see in many is GRAVEY SMOOTH sin allwoing sermons
that correct nothing and no one CEPT those who do correct who do bring the words of GOD to correct .
A serious problem has occured .
That which ought never have been done has been done within a lot of churches .
IT became the world . Till now they have no idea what true christanity has lost
and that many of them are still lost . many follow another jesus and another god all together .
BUT have no idea they do .
TILL NOW , if JESUS returned in the form of a man and the apostels were ressurected and all walked into
churches . GUESS what they would be told by a lot of christains .
HEY JUDGERS , THATS HATE , that aint what paul taught , it aint what peter said
HEY you all NEED JESUS . the only problem is , THEY WOULD SAY THIS TO JESUS HIMSELF .
HEY you dont know LOVE , YOU DONT KNOW GOD , YOU NEED JESUS . you think i am probably wrong about that
or that perhaps that might be a b it of a s tretch .
BUT I TELL us all ITS NOT . You see none of us has seen JESUS with our eyes , NO man has seen GOD .
SO HOW WE TREAT HIS WORDS , WELL NOW that is HOW WE TREAT HIM .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

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my dear sister is launching gems of beauty . let the gems of scrips RAIN DOWN upon this place sister .
And let us be in prayer many recieve them .
Because ONCE the MASTER of the HOUSE has risen up and shut the door
ALL outside will be rained upon by his wrath . Flood this place and all places with all scriptures sister .
The dark one and his co workers are flooding in much delusion
And we must flood in the TRUTH . HE who hears amen but he who forbears will surely wail on JESUS day .

 

[Trekson]

same thing . as usual if one is indoctrinated they always gonna play on word games .
Let me guess you probably think the bride of Christ is different than the body of Christ .
Or perhaps the kingdom of GOD is not the same as The KINGDOM of heaven
Or etc and etc .
AS if .
WHEN o when , and i say this with upmost pleading , IS this g eneration gonna just read and enjoy
the bible for themselves .

Sorry, but concerning scripture and prophecy 'word games" are vital to get a true understanding. The bible calls it "rightly dividing the 'word" of truth."

 

[Trekson]

kinda like the branches of the tree that bear fruit . SAME thing my friend .

No, it's not and learning how to tell the difference is crucial to understanding prophecy. It's these "little things" that help define an accurate rendering of prophecy.

 

[amigo de christo]

We should not give them any credibility engaging with them. They are dangerous.

And that is why i warn all to flee anything of the ecumeincal realm . THEY are in danger and they are only a danger to all .
JESUS has been denied . AND IF JESUS is DENIED , GOD IS DENIED .
THEY prepare the world , her religoins and much of christendom too
unto a savoir of israel and the world , ONLY it aint NO SAVOIR at all . Its peace , its plan , ITS ALL of anti christ and will
lead them as one TO he who cometh in his own name .
AS IF GODS plan to save ISRAEL and the world would EVER ONCE have DENIED THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
WHO IS THE SAVOIR OF ISRAEL and of the World . WE GETTING :LIED TOO BIG TIME .
But many seem to love this lie , this abraham anti christ peace accords interfaith interreligious dialgoue
The lie that just keeps on growing . THE LIE . OH YES the LIE
that will merge ALL religoins , tribes , tongues and people under a god and its love whom they BELIEVE IS GOD and HIS LOVE
and his plan for world peace n safety .
YET IT TOTALLY LIED TO THEM ALL through its interreligious dialougue .
AS it sang the song of a whore of all harlots tune and said , HEY muslims , hey buddists , hey unbelieving jews ,
hey we all SERVE THE SAME GOD in different ways . ANTI CHRIST . ANTI CHRIST . but this people
thinks its GODS PLAN for WORLD PEACE . KINDA ODD
JESUS never came to bring peace on earth and HE PREACHED YE MUST BLEIEVE ON HIM
But this other entity says , HEY we all serve the same GOD and its HIS WILL for WORLD PEACE .
Again kinda odd . cause while JESUS never came to bring peace on earth
GUESS WHAT , another one does , AND by peace , by ANTI CHRIST PEACE , you better beleive its gonna destroy many .

 

[WPM]

Sorry, but concerning scripture and prophecy 'word games" are vital to get a true understanding. The bible calls it "rightly dividing the 'word" of truth."

You do not seem to know what that looks like. Your one line evasive no-Scripture responses expose that. Time to promote Scripture instead of what you have been taught.

 

[covenantee]

Sorry, but concerning scripture and prophecy 'word games" are vital to get a true understanding. The bible calls it "rightly dividing the 'word" of truth."

Wrong again.

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[Earburner]

That is true for today but Jesus tells a different story about tomorrow. The day when Matt. 23:39 will be fulfilled by the nation of Israel.

Mat. 23:33-38 is the context for verse 39.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate (void of God).

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say,......

Sorry, you are way out of bounds here.
The future of God gathering anyone of the house of Israel unto Himself, through faith in Jesus, began on Pentecost, and shall remain available for all individual repentant Jews of every generation afterwards until the Lord returns in all His Glory.

How did you think that the Jews shall see Jesus henceforth? Visually? All of them at once?? No!
The Jews will NEVER again visually "see" Jesus in the manner of His literal presence, during this present Age of God's Grace.

Q. So then, how SHALL the Jews ever "see" (perceive) Him?
A. When any one of the Jews can say: "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."
Which is meaning that an individual Jew WANTS to "see" [percieve] Jesus by the preaching/teaching about Him through His Born again Saints.

Q. And who might that be, that cometh to them in the name of the Lord?
A. Each and everyone who is a Born again Saint, who brings the Gospel message to the Jews, in every generation since Pentecost.

 

[Trekson]

Mat. 23:33-38 is the context for verse 39.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate (void of God).

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say,......

Sorry, you are way out of bounds here.
The future of God gathering anyone of the house of Israel unto Himself, through faith in Jesus, began on Pentecost, and shall remain available for all individual repentant Jews of every generation afterwards until the Lord returns in all His Glory.

How did you think that the Jews shall see Jesus henceforth? Visually, all of them at once?? No!
They will NEVER again visually "see" Jesus in the manner of His literal presence during this present Age of God's Grace.

Q. So then, how SHALL the Jews ever see (perceive) Him?
A. When any one of them can say: "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Q. And who might that be, that cometh to them in the name of the Lord?
A. Each and everyone who is a Born again Saint, who brings the Gospel message to them, in every generation since Pentecost.

For a greater understanding of how, read my post titled. "This is the Context of How Dan. 9:24-27 Should Be Considered". Prophecies about Israel are on a National level, not an individual one and will be fulfilled as such. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel.

 

[Earburner]

For a greater understanding of how, read my post titled. "This is the Context of How Dan. 9:24-27 Should Be Considered". Prophecies about Israel are on a National level, not an individual one and will be fulfilled as such. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel.

I have read your series of posts about KJV(?) Dan. 9:24-27 and I vehemently disagree with the course of your going. Therefore, I perceive that you are being misdirected, simply because it HAS NOT YET been revealed to you that the 70th week BEGAN with Jesus in his mortal flesh and ENDED 3.5 YEARS LATER AFTER His resurrection.

By the way, you have not yet disclosed your Bible version of preference for your study.

 

[Trekson]

I have read your series of posts about KJV Dan. 9:24-27 and I vehemently disagree with the course of your going. Therefore, I know that at all times you are, and shall continue be, thoroughly misdirected and decieved, simply because it HAS NOT been revealed to you that the 70th week BEGAN WITH Jesus in his mortal flesh and ENDED 3.5 YEARS LATER AFTER His resurrection.

By the way, you have not yet disclosed your Bible version of preference for your study.

Regarding prophecy, I find the KJ to have the most consistent narrative. Many modern translations have changed wording to promote 'their" narrative, not God's. Sorry, but the 70th week never began. You might have a point if 70ad immediately followed the crucifixion but it did not. No gap = no church. Rom. 11:11 - "I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. If Israel had accepted Christ on a national level, then the millennium would have begun at that time. The gap has been part of God's plan since the beginning. So, instead of thinking that I'm being deceived maybe one should pray that their eyes be open to seeing the same reality.

 

[Earburner]

Regarding prophecy, I find the KJ to have the most consistent narrative. Many modern translations have changed wording to promote 'their" narrative, not God's. Sorry, but the 70th week never began. You might have a point if 70ad immediately followed the crucifixion but it did not. No gap = no church. Rom. 11:11 - "I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. If Israel had accepted Christ on a national level, then the millennium would have begun at that time. The gap has been part of God's plan since the beginning. So, instead of thinking that I'm being deceived maybe one should pray that their eyes be open to seeing the same reality.

I can only think to say that you are deceived because I once was fully deceived by believing the same hog-wash as you, that church-ianity has been pumping out through THEIR denominational Bible colleges, the TEACHINGS of "the wisdom of men".

Yes, I am a firm believer of the KJV as the ONLY authority of God's written word!
Early in my salvation from the Lord, I foolishly got hung up with an 8 translation NT bible. What a mistake that was. That is where got confused and off track from the KJ and started to get corrupted by the lies that the 8T-NT fostered. I repented to the Lord and requested that He be my teacher only and forever!! It was back to the KJV for me!! Thank God. He has been faithful!

I am very, very sorry that you have not yet understood that the 1000 years are symbolic of this present Age of God's Grace through faith in the Lord Jesus.
2 Peter 3:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord AS [like] A thousand years and a thousand years [is] AS [like] A one day.
(DId you know that God the Father has not set a date of when His Grace shall end?

The end of his Grace is "WHEN no man comes to repentance" anymore.
All of that is in the hands of man, not God!!

THAT is why Jesus could not tell the disciples the time of His return. ONLY THE FATHER shall know when that shall be.)
Yes! You got that correctly....one day is with the Lord AS [like] A thousand years.
God has SET NO exact DATE!!!
It simply means that His (promise of) Grace will be for a very long time.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his PROMISE**, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (The key word here is longsuffering) for a VERY LONG TIME, of which now has been 2026 years, and not a vague number of "a thousand", that He had to provide in approx. 60-90AD through Peter.

**Note: concerning the Lord's PROMISE, is NOT about His Glorious return, but rather it's about His Gift of Salvation to ALL people who DO COME to repentance and ARE Born again of the Holy Spirit.

Yes, He is not willing that any should perish, BUT both He and all we, DO KNOW that many DO DIE unsaved, and therefore they are permanently LOST.

Of course, the Jews are NOT excluded from God's salvation, because since the death and resurrection of Christ, there is NOW "NO DIFFERENCE between The Jew and the Gentile". ALL ARE EQUAL before Him.

All along, they have been invited BACK to God,.....except for one thing, ONLY through faith in Jesus NOW, while they have BREATH!
Do YOU fully UNDERSTAND THAT???
The Jews have NO special privileges, over and above the Gentiles!!

 

[Trekson]

I can only think to say that you are deceived because I once was fully deceived by believing the same hog-wash as you, that church-ianity has been pumping out of THEIR denominational Bible colleges, the TEACHINGS of "the wisdom of men".


I am very, very sorry that you have not yet understood that the 1000 years are symbolic of this present Age of God's Grace through faith in the Lord Jesus.
2 Peter 3:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord AS [like] A thousand years and a thousand years [is] AS A [like] one day.
(DId you know that God the Father has not set a date of when His Grace shall end?

The end of his Grace is "WHEN no man comes to repentance" anymore.
All of that is in the hands of man, not God!!

THAT is why Jesus could not tell the disciples the time of His return. ONLY THE FATHER shall know when that shall be.)
Yes! You got that correctly....one day is with the Lord AS [like] A thousand years.
God has set NO exact DATE!!!
It simply means that His (promise of) Grace will be for a very long time.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his PROMISE**, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (The key word here is longsuffering)

**Note: concerning the Lord's PROMISE, is NOT about His Glorious return, but rather it's about His Gift of Salvation to ALL people who DO COME to repentance and ARE Born again of the Holy Spirit.

Yes, He is not willing that any should perish, BUT both He and all we, DO KNOW that many DO DIE unsaved, and therefore they are permanently LOST.

Of course, the Jews are NOT excluded from God's salvation, because since the death and resurrection of Christ, there is NOW "NO DIFFERENCE between The Jew and the Gentile". ALL ARE EQUAL before Him.

All along, they have been invited BACK to God,.....except for one thing, ONLY through faith in Jesus NOW, while they have BREATH!
Do YOU fully UNDERSTAND THAT???
The Jews have NO special privileges, over and above the Gentiles!!

There are zero reasons why the millennium should be considered symbolic. In the OT when the prophecies spoke of "that day" or "in that day", "the last day" etc. Israel always took it to mean "the day Messiah reigns on earth". The four spring feasts of Israel were fulfilled at his first advent. The three fall feasts will be fulfilled at His 2nd coming. The last one is the feast of tabernacles and that foretells of the time Messiah dwells among men. Does Israel have "special" privileges? Absolutely not! But the 70th week will be their time of national redemption where they finally accept Christ as Lord, Savior, King and Messiah as is prophesied in multiple scriptures, such as Zech. 12:10, 13:8-9 and Matt. 23:39. It will be the culmination of their millennia long+ ToJT. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel. They will still be members of the body of Christ, in a manner of speaking, they just have an earthly destiny, where the church has a heavenly one. The old covenant of 'the law" is fulfilled but the land promises still remain and God always keeps His promises.

 

[Earburner]

There are zero reasons why the millennium should be considered symbolic. In the OT when the prophecies spoke of "that day" or "in that day", "the last day" etc. Israel always took it to mean "the day Messiah reigns on earth". The four spring feasts of Israel were fulfilled at his first advent. The three fall feasts will be fulfilled at His 2nd coming. The last one is the feast of tabernacles and that foretells of the time Messiah dwells among men. Does Israel have "special" privileges? Absolutely not! But the 70th week will be their time of national redemption where they finally accept Christ as Lord, Savior, King and Messiah as is prophesied in multiple scriptures, such as Zech. 12:10, 13:8-9 and Matt. 23:39. It will be the culmination of their millennia long+ ToJT. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel. They will still be members of the body of Christ, in a manner of speaking, they just have an earthly destiny, where the church has a heavenly one. The old covenant of 'the law" is fulfilled but the land promises still remain and God always keeps His promises.

There is so much that you are missing here, all because you have been seriously derailled concerning the 70 TH week.

There is no such thing as "The Millennium".
That is a huge fabrication contrived out of a false understanding of the 70th week in Daniel, and then to make it even worse, they then put a spin on the words "a thousand years" and call it "The Millennium", as if it is an event all unto itself.
Edit:
Q. So then, in 2 Peter 3:8-9, WHAT is the purpose and meaning for the words: one day=1000 yrs. and 1000 yrs.=one day?

A. It's strictly a METAPHOR: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in swimming in paperwork).
Therefore, 2 Peter 3:8-9 is NOT to be interpreted or understood as being a literal event. For all that do call 2 Peter 3:8-9 to be a literal manifestation of a literal time of 1000 years, as being "THE Millenium", they are taking it upon themselves to PERVERT and CORRUPT the true purpose and meaning of why the Holy Spirit, through Peter, spoke those words in a Metaphor.
Its about the UNknown length of God's present Age of Grace, and the time of His "longsuffering" over men to come to repentance, and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 3:9

Of course, at this moment, Jesus truly is reigning on and IN** the earth right now, but NOT in the way that the world understands how a king and kingdoms rule! (**2 Cor.4:7).
He is reigning through the Gift of God's Salvation to all, and through all those who have been and are Born again, as being His literal New creatures, reigning WITH Him.

We are they WHO have been and are  NOW safely inhabiting the New Jerusalem, and not that which is the corrupted old Jerusalem of this earth!! Zech. 14:11
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Your understanding of the "70 weeks" is typical of ALL who are interpreting those verses of Dan. 9:24-27 by that of their own "natural" mind, and not the mind of Christ within them.
Unfortunately, you yourself and many others, are like the Biblical scholars/Pharisees of churh-ianity. Most all approach and study the Bible as if one is in a History, Math and/or Science class, "crunching" words like numbers. That is not how the Holy Spirit teaches us.
Please understand 1 Cor. 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me [not of the Jews].

 

[Trekson]

There is so much that you are missing here, all because you have been seriously derailled concerning the 70 TH week.

There is no such thing as "The Millennium".
That is a huge fabrication contrived out of a false understanding of the 70th week in Daniel, and then to make it even worse, they then put a spin on the words "a thousand years" and call it The Millennium, as if it is an event all unto itself.

Of course Jesus is reigning on the earth right now!! He is reigning through the Gift of God's Salvation to all who have been and are Born again, as being His literal New creatures, reigning WITH Him.
We are they WHO have been and are  NOW safely inhabiting the New Jerusalem, and not that which is the corrupted old Jerusalem of this earth!! Zech. 14:11
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Your understanding of the "70 weeks" is typical of ALL who are interpreting those verses of Dan. 9:24-27 by that of their own "natural" mind, and not the mind of Christ within them.
Unfortunately, you yourself and many others, are like the Biblical scholars/Pharisees of churh-ianity. Most all approach and study the Bible as if one is in a History, Math and/or Science class, "crunching" words like numbers. That is not how the Holy Spirit teaches us.
Please understand 1 Cor. 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me [Not of the Jews].

Sorry, but there is both a spiritual kingdom and a physical kingdom. Christ rules and reigns in the hearts and souls of His believers but satan is still king of this earth and will be until Christ returns to reclaim the crowns of the kingdom. Rev. 11:15. This phrase gets it right, "the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual". This is "not" saying that the spiritual "replaces", the physical.

 

[n2thelight]

They will NOT continue in the unbelief. Millennial ethnic Israel will "all" be born again believers in Christ. The church has an end date, Israel does not. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel. That there will be ultimate unity between the two is the goal but not in the way you speak. Israel and the church while, as one presently will change. The church has a heavenly destiny, Israel has an earthly destiny, the same physical millennial that has been prophesied for 1000's of yrs. You've got to learn to understand prophecy from God's perspective regarding Israel, not your own. There is no scripture that denies the future plans God has for Israel. The grafting into the tree will stop, the regrafting of Israel into the natural tree will begin after that. Besides that's no way to talk about your bride if you believe in Christ.

Therein is the problem. The false teaching of a rapture

 

[WPM]

There are zero reasons why the millennium should be considered symbolic. In the OT when the prophecies spoke of "that day" or "in that day", "the last day" etc. Israel always took it to mean "the day Messiah reigns on earth". The four spring feasts of Israel were fulfilled at his first advent. The three fall feasts will be fulfilled at His 2nd coming. The last one is the feast of tabernacles and that foretells of the time Messiah dwells among men. Does Israel have "special" privileges? Absolutely not! But the 70th week will be their time of national redemption where they finally accept Christ as Lord, Savior, King and Messiah as is prophesied in multiple scriptures, such as Zech. 12:10, 13:8-9 and Matt. 23:39. It will be the culmination of their millennia long+ ToJT. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel. They will still be members of the body of Christ, in a manner of speaking, they just have an earthly destiny, where the church has a heavenly one. The old covenant of 'the law" is fulfilled but the land promises still remain and God always keeps His promises.

Who or what is the first resurrection?