Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?

[amigo de christo]

As a general rule, corporal punishment of kids is failure of parenthood, words should do.

And on every rule there are those exceptions, for example kids with an autistic spectrum, some of them will drive parents to despair.

Why this is not true at all .
WHEN GOD chastens us , IS IT BECAUSE OF HIS FAILURE . NOPE .
its just sometimes the children get rebellious and need the chastisment of said parents .
Do not go confusious and new age on me my friend . Let us not overthink
Now into those bibles one and all . LET THEM words refresh thine mind . FOR
they are indeed sharp and powerful .

 

[Wrangler]

corporal punishment of kids is failure of parenthood, words should do.

What Bible verse says that?

And by extension, coercive force in society is a failure of government, words should do. Since words aren't enough for adults, how can we expect them to be enough for children, younger than the age of reason?

 

[amigo de christo]

What Bible verse says that?

The ecumeincal judge not correct not bible says it all the time .
BUT you wont find it in the bible . big mama has taken a whole lot of even christendom OVER .
She a real sneaky harlot too and by her love , her love , they will all drown in their sin and unbeleif
her jesus is NOT JESUS and her god is NOT GOD . its the devil cloaked in wool .

 

[Ziggy]

Isa 11:4
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

I think it all depends on how one interprets the word Rod and how it is to be used.

Pro 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Do you "train" with a rod?

I got my spankings when I was a child, but I think that's just a temporary action that really doesn't have a long lasting spiritual effect. Physical maybe, but how could you train a child without beating them?

You can shame them, you can take things away from them, you can confine them to a place where they can"think" about what they did.

There needs to be discipline that goes without argument. But how one administers that discipline....

Do you potty train with a belt? Like if you miss the pot you get a beating? I don't think so.

A lot of people just don't have the patience to do the proper "training" so it's easier to just reach for the rod or the belt then to sit and explain the rules.

It's a hard topic because we been brought up to believe hitting in some circumstances is ok. And maybe it is. Jesus made a whip and took it to the backs of thieves, so...
But they wasn't children, they knew better.. I think.

I never spanked my daughter and she turned out ok. But she did lose out on a lot of things, like going out or watching tv.
We didn't have the internet back then so you had to be creative.
If she acted up in the store, then the next time she stayed home with grandma.
Things like that.

Maybe sometimes when they are real bad and there is no reasoning with them, then maybe as a last resort, because sometimes you have to deter pain by bringing pain. SO they can learn Empathy.

Just thinking
Hugs

 

[ProDeo]

Why this is not true at all .
WHEN GOD chastens us , IS IT BECAUSE OF HIS FAILURE . NOPE .
its just sometimes the children get rebellious and need the chastisment of said parents .
Do not go confusious and new age on me my friend . Let us not overthink
Now into those bibles one and all . LET THEM words refresh thine mind . FOR
they are indeed sharp and powerful .

Well, my wife and I were able to raise 3 kids without spankings. We both came of a generation where it was normal to spank kids. We decided to do better. With normal (emphasis added) kids this is possible and we are thankful the Lord for given us normal kids. When a child misbehaves you reprimand with words, if that does not work tell him/her to go to his room, learn kids to apologize etc. I remember my mother, when I misbehaved she took me apart, told me to look into her eyes and then corrected me. These kind of experiences worked 10 times better than a beating.

Like I said in the previous post there are exceptions, kids with a born mental handicap like autism.

 

[ProDeo]

What Bible verse says that?

Mark 12:30 - And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.

And by extension, coercive force in society is a failure of government, words should do. Since words aren't enough for adults, how can we expect them to be enough for children, younger than the age of reason?

See my post above.

 

[Ziggy]

Like I said in the previous post there are exceptions, kids with a born mental handicap like autism.

My grandson has autism. My daughter has done so well with him.
The punishment they give themselves (like smacking heads on walls and floors) can get pretty intense.
They don't need any more physical abuse. They do enough of that themselves. Some do.

Time outs and sometimes, like she says, you have to choose your battles because they don't always fully understand what the rules are, and sometimes they don't give a damn. lol

He will be 22 in September, and he has come a long way since the early days.
She is a good mom and I am very proud of her.
Hugs

 

[ProDeo]

My grandson has autism.

Same here.

Growing up in a loving family does not cure those kids

My daughter has done so well with him.
The punishment they give themselves (like smacking heads on walls and floors) can get pretty intense.
They don't need any more physical abuse. They do enough of that themselves. Some do.

Time outs and sometimes, like she says, you have to choose your battles because they don't always fully understand what the rules are, and sometimes they don't give a damn. lol

He will be 22 in September, and he has come a long way since the early days.
She is a good mom and I am very proud of her.
Hugs

Hugs in return.

 

[Wrangler]

Mark 12:30 - And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.

This is you verse to support it is the parents failure when corporal punishment is needed!! LOL

 

[ProDeo]

This is you verse to support it is the parents failure when corporal punishment is needed!! LOL

Yes!

With my God given mind understanding the needs of a child.

 

[Riven]

Can you elaborate? Maybe you can suggest an alternative punishment for a naughty child

Ideally the parent's voice should be enough to stop the behavior. If it ever got to the point where my step father had to raise his voice, I was in deep trouble. He usually only had to say that's enough for me to get the message.

The worst punishment for me as a child was being forced to write "I promise to do what I'm told in the future" 500 times. My parents told me that if I was bad again, the number would go up.

Another punishment I remember vividly was having my Nintendo taken away for any length of time. That was torture. I would have taken the lashes over this any day.

Anyways, I know that these non-violent methods were effective because I still remember them vividly decades later. Whereas any kind of corporal punishment has either been forgotten or is a bit fuzzy.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, my wife and I were able to raise 3 kids without spankings. We both came of a generation where it was normal to spank kids. We decided to do better. With normal (emphasis added) kids this is possible and we are thankful the Lord for given us normal kids. When a child misbehaves you reprimand with words, if that does not work tell him/her to go to his room, learn kids to apologize etc. I remember my mother, when I misbehaved she took me apart, told me to look into her eyes and hen corrected me. These kind of experiences worked 10 times better than a beating.

Like I said in the previous post there are exceptions, kids with a born mental handicap like autism.

correct me if i be wrong . But do you not sit under the catholic realm . And are you attached to anything of the ecumenical call .
Feel free to tell me if i am incorrect about that or perhaps might have assumed wrong .

 

[ProDeo]

correct me if i be wrong . But do you not sit under the catholic realm . And are you attached to anything of the ecumenical call .
Feel free to tell me if i am incorrect about that or perhaps might have assumed wrong .

Perhaps you can tell me what exactly triggered you in my post to write what you wrote.

 

[dad]

Corporal punishment defenition
The use of physical force to discipline children

A child doesn't know where the boundaries are. It is natural for them to push the boundaries to learn where they sit. That's why kids are naughty and that's why parents often have to discipline them in some way or another.

Corporal punishment isn't used as much these days. It used to be very popular and was used by not only parents but teachers as well.

Corporal punishment has been banned by many countries. They say its not good for mental health, can cause serious injury and increase a child's aggression.

Child aggression.
As a kid I used to use physical force against anyone who picked on me or annoyed me. Maybe because my parents used physical force to correct me.
It worked well for me, kids soon learnt if they started me then they would have to fight me, and they avoided that. But then I had to change because that isn't acceptable as an adult. You will soon end up in jail if you keep doing that.

Serious injury can be a problem.
Many parents punched or kicked or used blunt weapons which caused serious injury. If corporal punishment is used it should be used correctly. Using techniques that will not cause serious injury.
My parents used to use a thin branch to whip us with. No matter how hard you swing that whip it cannot cause any serious injury. They also used the open hand slap, but never to the face, and my favourite, the old fashioned ear pull.

It used to make me cry and gave me bitter feelings against my parents. But those feelings would pass over a few days and today I'm not resentful at all. I'm actually greatful that they disciplined me like they did. It was how they were disciplined and it was the only way they knew how to discipline.

Today's generation are very undisciplined and disrespectful, so maybe a good old fashioned spanking would be helpful instead of just grounding a kid which doesn't seem to work so well. Locking them in their room with a TV, or computer, or video games, or a mobile phone is not a punishment at all.

Bible verses that appear to support corporal punishment

Proverbs 13:24
Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

Proverbs 22:15
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child,
but the rod of discipline will drive it far away.

Proverbs 23:13-14
Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
Punish them with the rod
and save them from death.

Bible verses that appear to oppose corporal punishment

Ephesians 6:4
Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord

Colossians 3:21
Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged.

So what do you think?
Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline children?
What are some disciplinary alternatives?

God says it is not only fine but required. Who can argue with or overrule God?

 

[Armour of God]

True but one thing is not the other thing. And you can go out of bounds with anything. Exceptions don't make rules.

For cops safety, should we allow pull overs? Some violent criminals take it too far ...

I was a firm yes to begin with but I've found your arguments and that of others to be very unconvincing so I've voted no

 

[quietthinker]

If it is objectionable to strike an adult it must be doubly objectionable to strike a child!

 

[Wrangler]

I was a firm yes to begin with but I've found your arguments and that of others to be very unconvincing so I've voted no

I don’t believe you for one second. I noticed none of your rationalizations quote Scripture.

 

[Wrangler]

This is not a short vid but after the first 10 minutes they show teen take overs, the result of poor parenting.

 

[Aunty Jane]

We live in a world where, in many nations, corporal punishment of any kind is illegal....my own country included.
Kids were taught that any kind of physical punishment was tantamount to abuse....and the UN Charter of 1988 on the International Rights of the Child, ostensibly to end forced child labor, but actually all it did was give western kids the right to report their own parents for abuse if they laid a hand on them.

Discipline is recommended in the Bible because Paul says in Hebrews 12:5-12....

“And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,and chastises every son whom he receives.”. . . For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.” (ESV)

One thing discipline is....is painful.....but the pain does not have to be physical.
Prov 1:8 says we should listen to discipline.....so it can be verbal as well.

Constant physical correction may harden a child to it, without teaching them anything. It can be seen as a power trip and the child eventually becomes a contender.

Discipline is an opportunity to teach our children something about expected standards of behaviour.....if all it does it prove that a parent is more powerful, what is the point? The child will outgrow that concept and see the parent as merely power tripping without eliciting any respect for themselves, or the behaviour they are trying to modify.
It also highlights the need for parents to be good examples themselves.....the “don’t do as I do, do as I say” camp will not be the parents of well balanced children.

In times past, discipline was administered heavy handedly, both at home and at school....the line between discipline and abuse was often crossed.....and no one was held accountable. Many of the abused went on to become abusers themselves....so we want the kind of discipline that God advocates for...or one that achieves what discipline is supposed to do....teach. Not to break a child’s spirit but to build good qualities in them.

 

[ProDeo]

This is not a short vid but after the first 10 minutes they show teen take overs, the result of poor parenting.

Agree, poor parenting. Not unlikely from generation to generation.