Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?

[Wrangler]

What does spanking them actually achieve that other forms of punishment don't?

Seriously? Immediate consequences. Most life forms seek to avoid pain and death.

What troubles me most is your aversion to THE form of punishment proscribed in Scripture! Before Bill Cosby fell from grace he had a comedy routine where he told his son that he brought him into this world and he can take him out. Your question might as well be asked of our Heavenly Father in what does annihilating souls in the Lake of Fire accomplish that other forms of punishment don't! This is why Scripture connects corporal punishment with life and death - and no other form of punishment does.
Proverbs 23:13-14
13 Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die.
14 Spank him yourself, and you will save his soul from hell.
GNT
As a matter of fact, it may save their lives.

 

[quietthinker]

God is a warrior and The ultimate solution to evil chosen by God, himself, is violence, annihilate evil in the Lake of Fire. That should tell you something.

Violence solves problems, despite the rhetoric to the contrary. It’s odd that overly-spiritualized people either deny it or their delicate sensibilities are offended by it.

It is also clear, you haven't seen Jesus!

Violence begets violence. I'm surprised you don't understand this. Has the pall of darkness hidden even the light from your vision?

 

[Wrangler]

It is also clear, you haven't seen Jesus!

Jesus violently flipped over tables, whipped at people, first thing when he comes back is violently smite all his enemies, the last 5hung he’ll do is put the damned in the Lake of Fire. I saw that Jesus. Looks lik you have not.

Violence begets violence.

Violence ENDS Violence. Righteous violence ENDS evil violence. See Lake of Fire.

 

[quietthinker]

Jesus violently flipped over tables, whipped at people, first thing when he comes back is violently smite all his enemies, the last 5hung he’ll do is put the damned in the Lake of Fire. I saw that Jesus. Looks lik you have not.

This is all in your imagination Wrangler......and frankly, you can't see it any other way because to do so would not support your paradigm. The new wine would burst the old wineskins ie, an electrical short would blow the main fuse. I think the Pharisees experienced this when Jesus rose from the dead......without violence towards any man. Denial was their temporary saviour....their full reward.

And why would anyone explain the events you quoted differently? You are not asking while actively resisting. Wisdom demands it withdraws.

 

[Wrangler]

This is all in your imagination Wrangler

Then you don’t know Jesus.
Matthew 21:12-13
John 2:15
Revelation 19:15
Revelation 20:10

 

[quietthinker]

Jesus violently flipped over tables, whipped at people, first thing when he comes back is violently smite all his enemies, the last 5hung he’ll do is put the damned in the Lake of Fire. I saw that Jesus. Looks lik you have not.



Violence ENDS Violence. Righteous violence ENDS evil violence. See Lake of Fire.

It is a given that sin has in it the seeds of its own destruction. Taking this into consideration shifts how one understands the prophetic utterances of destruction. Ignoring it has man superimposing his own fallen character onto God.

Judas is an example of destruction. It was done by his own hand even while being given the ability heal the sick, raise the dead and so on.
His insistence that greed and betrayal would manifest God's Glory....ie, force God's hand to evade capture and execution (as he had seen Jesus do multiple times before) 'blew the fuse' and he shorted, so to speak, when his picture of God was totally at odds to how he imagined it and insisted it be.

Revelation 6 describes those who freak out when Jesus appears in the clouds. They call for the rocks and mountains to fall on them. It sounds like mass suicide by all classes.....the rich, the poor, the powerful etc.

 

[Wrangler]

It is a given that sin has in it the seeds of its own destruction.

Violence is not a sin.

 

[Taken]

I would say corporal “punishment”…
Is intended To negatively effect a human body.

It is the circumstances that can MAKE the “punishment” Ineffective or harmful… physically or mentally.

Rules, Warning, Anger, Embarrassment, Intimidation, degree of Force, patience, Excessive, etc.

Continued

 

[Taken]

Continued

True Scenario:
My home, daughter, her 15 month old toddler
visiting. Daughter, myself sitting across from each other, open space on floor between us. Toys and toddler on floor playing. Against a wall Cabinet with glass panels, door, shelves, glass figures.

Toddler, boy, gets up, goes to glass cabinet.
I get up, go to boy, stoop to his eye level. Take his hand away from cabinet, look in his eyes, say firmly No. Hold his hand walk him back to toys, kiss him, sit him down. Return to my seat.

Over the next 20-30 minutes… 5 times, boy gets up, goes back to cabinet.

I get up each time… go to him… and say nothing to him, flick him on the forehead, take his hand and walk him back to toys.

Each “forehead flick”, is the same force. In “same spot”… Four times, did not phase him, as he kept returning to the cabinet.

Third time, daughter, says, just move that stuff. I said, shush, watch and learn.

Sixth time boy gets up, walked to cabinet. Rubs his forehead, turns around and walks back to toys, sits and plays.

One warning, patience, not angry, minimal force, and Future? Never again had to worry about that cabinet with him.

Point…Yes that was corporal punishment
Kids…pay attention to what they do…
One warning, not a discussion..
Patience to follow through.
Simple rules.

My POV.

 

[quietthinker]

Violence is not a sin.

Violence is the very fruit of sin. Violence against yourself, violence against others including the superimposing of violence onto God as if it were part of his character.

 

[Aunty Jane]

What does spanking them actually achieve that other forms of punishment don't?

I do believe that discipline should be tailored to the child.....some kids respond well to a stern voice, whereas others need something more persuasive.....spanking doesn’t work with some, it just embitters them, and teaches them to deal with violence to solve issues themselves.....but taking away something like a phone or no internet access hurts more than any physical punishment. Physical pain is not the only successful punishment.

God’s laws teach us not to disobey them...the law of gravity for example will teach kids that you cannot defy it and feel no pain. But that doesn’t mean that they need to keep defying it to learn the lesson.

As for the “violent Jesus” portrayed by some here.....when one is the authorised judge and executioner, given that authorisation by God himself to punish incorrigible wickedness, then the lake of fire makes sense.

Who are sent to this place? And are they conscious? What is the purpose of the lake of fire if Jews did not believe in life after death? The concept of an immortal soul came from paganism, not Christianity.

Jesus consigned the religious leaders to “Gehenna”...(Matt 23:33) so what did the Jews know about “Gehenna”?
It was a place of eternal death, nothing more....it simply meant no resurrection....not eternal conscious torture. What kind of a loving and just God would invent such a place?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Violence is not a sin.

Whose violence is not a sin? God meting out his justice is not a sin...and those appointed as his executioners commit no sin either......

Those who take the law into their own hands by supporting worldly kingdoms that are in opposition to the true God....and who break God’s laws, those are the ones who love violence and justify perpetrating it.

Psalm 11: 4-5...Jewish Bible...
“Yahweh is in his holy temple. Yahweh, his throne is in heaven. His eyes see and test humankind. Yahweh tests the righteous; but he hates the wicked and the lover of violence.”

Let that sink in....loving violence is not a trait of Christ’s disciples. They were never authorised to use violence on even their enemies. (Matt 5:43-44) Can you love your enemies with carnal weapons? (Rom 12:17-21)

 

[Moontan13]

Technically I believe in spanking, in practice with two children, I never had to . My education in raising children had to do with my Mom doing in-home child care for 12 kids at a time. She never yelled or spanked. I think a large part of child rearing and discipline is differentiating between mistakes (because they don't know any better) and deliberate misbehavior. I favor quantity time, getting down on the floor with little ones to show them what you want them to do. In doing so, they want to be obedient. The time to begin discipline starts with nursing, not to bite down on Mom. It continues when babies crawl. The rule in our house, that Dad's and Mom's bedroom is off limits, was pretty easy to teach before they could walk. May I brag a little? We'd get wedding invitations where it was plainly stated "No Children under 16" and there'd be a handwritten note "Your children are welcome to attend". We could take them anywhere and they were a joy to be around. Coming home from work meant I finally had time to be with my wife and kids.

 

[Armour of God]

Why question God? Apparently he wants man to take sin somewhat seriously. He wants children to be corrected and learn right from wrong. There is a place for many types of correction, not just corporal punishment. But there is also a time and place when that is needed. God says so. Now when it comes to pagans, unbelievers, well, since they do not know right from wrong and sin from virtue, I could see why any attempt they make at spanking anyone could be abuse. God corrects us for our own good. Not because He gets angry that we change the tv from a sports game to a cartoon or something. For godly loving parents, spanking is a needed tool in bringing children up in the way they should go. Not the only tool. And not a tool perhaps, that violent evil selfish unbelievers should have access to. That does not mean that a nation that passes laws directly opposing Scripture is right and good. Perhaps it should be considered religious liberty or some such.

My question to you was
What does spanking them actually achieve that other forms of punishment don't?

You didn't answer the question I think because corporal punishment doesn't actually achieve anything that a non physical punishment already does.

 

[OneGospel]

My question to you was
What does spanking them actually achieve that other forms of punishment don't?

You didn't answer the question I think because corporal punishment doesn't actually achieve anything that a non physical punishment already does.

The threat of the cane in school back in the 70's was a very good deterrent compared to now when teachers are physically abused by students who have little to no consequences for their behavior.

 

[Armour of God]

I do believe that discipline should be tailored to the child.....some kids respond well to a stern voice, whereas others need something more persuasive.....spanking doesn’t work with some, it just embitters them, and teaches them to deal with violence to solve issues themselves.....but taking away something like a phone or no internet access hurts more than any physical punishment. Physical pain is not the only successful punishment

I agree. Why assault a poor child when there are other non-abusive means of punishment. Most societies don't even use physical methods to punish criminals, so why use it on vulnerable children who are still learning.

I think corporal punishment should only be used in extreme cases after all other methods have been exhausted. But it must be used correctly, some parents go overboard, punching and kicking causing serious injury, that's just wrong.

Sound methods must be used to avoid serious injury. My parents used a thin whip like branch that stung. No matter how hard you swing that thing, it cannot cause serious injury. The old fashioned ear pull was another method they used on us. It worked in deterring us and teaching us but the same thing can be achieved without violence

 

[Armour of God]

The threat of the cane in school back in the 70's was a very good deterrent compared to now when teachers are physically abused by students who have little to no consequences for their behavior.

I was talking about parents using it. They have other means of punishment.

Should schools use it? Well. Teachers don't have access to those other forms of punishment that parents have. All they can do is give them detention in which the child uses to do homework usually.
So you make a valid point. But I think they stopped it because some parents didn't want teachers spanking their child which is understandable I think

 

[dad]

My question to you was
What does spanking them actually achieve that other forms of punishment don't?

You didn't answer the question I think because corporal punishment doesn't actually achieve anything that a non physical punishment already does.

Baloney. Otherwise God would not have recommended it. Let's trust He knows best. He that does not use the rod hates the child.

 

[OneGospel]

I was talking about parents using it. They have other means of punishment.

Should schools use it? Well. Teachers don't have access to those other forms of punishment that parents have. All they can do is give them detention in which the child uses to do homework usually.
So you make a valid point. But I think they stopped it because some parents didn't want teachers spanking their child which is understandable I think

When little Johnny or Jane are chucking a supermarket tantrum/screaming session because they didn't get the choccy they demanded I would suggest the other means of punishment are NOT WORKING so should be set aside & replaced by a public bare leg smacking, they then quickly learn about risk/reward.

 

[Armour of God]

Baloney. Otherwise God would not have recommended it. Let's trust He knows best. He that does not use the rod hates the child.

You cherry pick scripture to support your thoughts but ignore the ones that oppose them.

I'm not saying that corporal punishment is wrong, unless the parent uses excessive force and causes major injury. It's up to the parent

I'm just saying that it achieves nothing that non-violent punishments already acheive.

That's why you can't answer my question. So I ask again. Does it acheive anything more than non-violent punishments?