JESUS DIED ONLY FOR THE NATION ISRAEL

[Wick Stick]

One problem, Jew doesn't usually mean Benjamite, and it is never a Simeonite.

A Benjamite is a Jew (he belongs to the House of Judah). A Jew is not necessarily a Benjamite.

A Simeonite is a Jew (he belongs to the House of Judah). A Jew is not necessarily a Simeonite. As an aside, Simeon scarcely exists as a separate entity after the Torah. His "portion" was scattered cities within Judah, and the Simeonites seem to have fully integrated into Judah to the point they were no longer distinguishable as a separate people.

 

[MonoBiblical]

A Benjamite is a Jew (he belongs to the House of Judah). A Jew is not necessarily a Benjamite.

A Simeonite is a Jew (he belongs to the House of Judah). A Jew is not necessarily a Simeonite. As an aside, Simeon scarcely exists as a separate entity after the Torah. His "portion" was scattered cities within Judah, and the Simeonites seem to have fully integrated into Judah to the point they were no longer distinguishable as a separate people.

{Rev 7:7 KJV}
"Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand."

I know the Benjamites had wives form 11 other tribes, but the Simeonites.

 

[Wick Stick]

why wouldnt he go to the house of Judah?

Sheep only need rescuing when they're lost

 

[Wick Stick]

{Rev 7:7 KJV}
"Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand."

I know the Benjamites had wives form 11 other tribes, but the Simeonites.

I've missed your meaning. I suspect you've missed mine, too.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I've missed your meaning. I suspect you've missed mine, too.

I am wondering if the Simeonites are half breeds like the Benjamites. Are they?

 

[Wick Stick]

I am wondering if the Simeonites are half breeds like the Benjamites. Are they?

No. The Simeonites are considered Jews because their tribe belonged to the southern kingdom, which is called Judah. They are not actual descendants of the patriarch Judah.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No. The Simeonites are considered Jews because their tribe belonged to the southern kingdom, which is called Judah. They are not actual descendants of the patriarch Judah.

Then they are not Jews by NT standards.

 

[Wick Stick]

Then they are not Jews by NT standards.

Uh... yeah they are. The standard is "part of the kingdom of Judah" through both Testaments.

Paul has no problem calling himself Jewish (Acts 22) as a Benjamite. Benjamin is part of the kingdom of Judah. The same applies to Simeon, except there's no famous Simeonite to declare it.

 

[Grailhunter]

His death didn't do anything without a ressurrection.

Interesting belief. Please explain.

 

[Grailhunter]

You are copiable for thy own sins not someone else's. Jesus didn't remove sins by dying but being a mediator. Currently there is no miraculous pardoning for sins. We now must atone, and remove sins/wrongs where we can.

WOW
Interesting enough for a discussion. I will open a thread.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Uh... yeah they are. The standard is "part of the kingdom of Judah" through both Testaments.

Paul has no problem calling himself Jewish (Acts 22) as a Benjamite. Benjamin is part of the kingdom of Judah. The same applies to Simeon, except there's no famous Simeonite to declare it.

At the end of Judges, all the original Benjamite women were killed. Paul mom was of the Judean tribe. His father is a Benjamite. We can conclude by looking at the last chapter of Judges, and certain NT verses about his tribal heritage.

Part of the kingdom; you mean part of the army. At least the idea, that Israelites all became Jews in the NT is busted.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Interesting belief. Please explain.

The resurrection was part of a Passover rescue which included supernatural miracles.

 

[Wick Stick]

At least the idea, that Israelites all became Jews in the NT is busted.

All Jews are Israelites. Not all Israelites are Jews. All Israelites certainly did NOT become Jews.

 

[MonoBiblical]

All Israelites certainly did NOT become Jews.

But Jews are the only ones who have the Israelite religion. Perhaps, the book of Esther partly explains why there are no other tribes anymore.

 

[Rockerduck]

But Jews are the only ones who have the Israelite religion. Perhaps, the book of Esther partly explains why there are no other tribes anymore.

What Israelite religion?

 

[MonoBiblical]

What Israelite religion?

The religion which came before Rabbinic Judaism etc.

 

[Rockerduck]

The religion which came before Rabbinic Judaism etc.

The have no religion. They still use the dead, that Jesus removed, Mosaic Law. That's why they want to build a temple, to sacrifice again. But Jesus ended the Mosaic law. However, they still read the Law in synagogues. God does not hear their prayers.

 

[Wick Stick]

But Jews are the only ones who have the Israelite religion. Perhaps, the book of Esther partly explains why there are no other tribes anymore.

Are you talking about the promises of Abraham's covenant? Are you talking about Moses Law? Or the Judaism that came out of Babylon during the exile?

Christianity has the promises of Abraham's covenant - the Son, the adoption, belief accredited as righteousness. None of those things pertain to modern Judaism.

Judaism today contains some of Moses Law, but is mostly the product of the intervening centuries spent in Babylon, Spain, etc.

 

[MonoBiblical]

The have no religion. They still use the dead, that Jesus removed, Mosaic Law. That's why they want to build a temple, to sacrifice again. But Jesus ended the Mosaic law. However, they still read the Law in synagogues. God does not hear their prayers.

Interesting POV. The religion is only a set of laws, and has nothing to do with separation of Myth and State.

 

[marks]

One problem, Jew doesn't usually mean Benjamite, and it is never a Simeonite.

Philippians 3:4-5 LITV
4) Even though I might have trust in flesh; if any other thinks to trust in flesh, I more;
5) in circumcision, the eighth day, of the race of Israel, the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; according to Law, a Pharisee;

Galatians 2:14-16 LITV
14) But when I saw that they did not walk uprightly with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before all, If you being a Jew, live heathen-like, and not as the Jews, why do you compel the nations to Judaize?
15) We, Jews by nature, and not sinners of the nations,
16) knowing that a man is not justified by works of Law, but that it is through faith in Jesus Christ (we also believed into Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of Law, because all flesh will not be justified by works of Law). Psa. 123:2

Paul referred to himself as both Jew and of the tribe of Benjamin.

Much love!