Trump and Politics

[Lizbeth]

Yea, right! Fact is, you are wrong but are too prideful to admit it. We ARE commanded to submit to governing authorities as Roman 13:1 explicitly says.

Just go back and read my post again. More carefully this time.

 

[ProDeo]

Why aren't you posting the entire sentence? You've taken it out of context which completely changes my meaning.

Bingo.

And there is Acts 5:29 as final arbiter.

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

 

[Wrangler]

Just go back and read my post again. More carefully this time.

Nice. That you don't even attempt to explain how 'context' means we aren't supposed to submit to government as Romans 13:1 explicitly states.

Bingo.

And there is Acts 5:29 as final arbiter.

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

More than one thing can be true at the same time.

1. Of course, we obey God.
2. God commands us to Give to Caesar what is Caesars's,
3. i.e., submit to governing authorities,
4. We're all gods (Ps 82:6) as Jesus affirmed, meaning law givers and judges.
5. We are to judge things of this life. 1 Corinthians 6:3

It shouldn't have to be said over and over again. Romans 13 goes on to explain the why government has been put in authority over us and its purpose, which is aligned with Micah 6:8, to DO JUSTICE.

Honestly, the length and depth those with TDS will go to deny our basic responsibilities to our American neighbors. Many Americans are killed by illegal aliens. No Democrats even speak their names. No protest for Americans killed. No statues. Sad.

Over-spiritualized Christians be like, "not my yob man." No compassion for the injustice done to Americans killed, raped or for their grieving families. No sense of responsibility. No sense of justice. This is why the question is so relevant, are we better off being ruled by Satanists and Atheists than Christ-like brothers and sisters? If not, then why even follow Christ if it's not better?

 

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I love Trump.

Dearest Faithful Lord…
God Bless Trump…
Bless his Heart…
Bless his Soul…
Bless his Guidance…
Bless his Service…
Bless his Decisions…
Bless his Leadership…
Bless his Health…
Bless his Family…
Bless his Generosity…
and
God Bless America…
God Bless Israel.

Thank you Lord.
Always Great Love and Blessing upon You.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ProDeo]

More than one thing can be true at the same time.

Really?

Let's have a look

Acts 5:29 - But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

During the Nazi occupation of my country in WW2 the Nazi's had this habit (called razzia's) to lock a large block of houses and then knocking on each door with the question : do you hide Jews ?

What do you do as Christian when you hide them ?

Apply Romans 13 and say yes ?

No, you use Acts 5:29 as your final arbiter.

 

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TRUMP , live before the cameras ADMITTED HE PUT THIS PHOTO UP on his own accord .
NOW LOOK real closely at it .

Looked Closely…Inclusion…
Chief holding Gods Light,
American Flag,
Eagle,
Liberty Statue,
Military Plane,
Soldiers, past, present, died in service,
Medical,
Praying,
Aiding another…

Amen!

 

[amigo de christo]

Looked Closely…Inclusion…
Chief holding Gods Light,
American Flag,
Eagle,
Liberty Statue,
Military Plane,
Soldiers, past, present, died in service,
Medical,
Praying,
Aiding another…

Amen!

All i see is excuses .
YOU KNOW very well if the left had done the identical same thing with a picture of biden
YOU would have been warning AS LOUDLY as i am against it .
but if TRUMP DOES IT . well now it just has to be okay .
YOUR Right about one thing
THIS IS ALL ABOUT INCLUSION . on that one YOU ARE RIGHT .
ONLY what ya dont seem to realize is
this inclusion is total bad news . but you nor the left really cares about that at all .
What the left and the right care about is , SEND US A MAN WHO CAN SAVE US AND GIVE US OUR BEST LIFE NOW .
and that will be your downfall as well as theirs .
Inclusion . OH you will , the left will , the right will , the religoins will
be free to BELEIVE as they please
BUT NOT SO FREE TO SPEAK . you got no idea what spirit is behind this inclusion .
Some folks would call it communsim . I CALL IT OF ANTI CHRIST.
OH you gonna be real free all right . UNLESS what you do and say OFFENDS .
UNLESS what you do and say is deemed as divisive , as hate speech , as mis and dis information .
AND WHO YA THINK determines what that IS . THEY DO ZIGGY . THEY DO .
ITS ALL A SET UP and a snare . WELL it is written what one sows that shall he reap . PREPARE for THE IRON YOKE
and the system of the beast . CAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY where and who its leading all too .
Freedom of religoin , MY HIND FOOT .
READ IT ziggy . ITS FREEDOM OF , INCLUSIVE RELIGOIN .

 

[Wrangler]

Really?

the Nazi

Apply Romans 13 and say yes ?

No, you use Acts 5:29 as your final arbiter.

Goodwin's law. Now, who is taking Scripture (Romans 13) out of context. The command to obey civilian government is obviously not absolute but given the default condition of them being agents of justice - not injustice.

 

[Triumph1300]

I love Trump.

Dearest Faithful Lord…
God Bless Trump…
Bless his Heart…
Bless his Soul…
Bless his Guidance…
Bless his Service…
Bless his Decisions…
Bless his Leadership…
Bless his Health…
Bless his Family…
Bless his Generosity…
and
God Bless America…
God Bless Israel.

Thank you Lord.
Always Great Love and Blessing upon You.

Glory to God,
Taken

Acts 12:22-23​

22 They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.”

23 Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.
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(Better be careful about politicians being shown as Jesus Christ.)

 

[ProDeo]

Goodwin's law. Now, who is taking Scripture (Romans 13) out of context. The command to obey civilian government is obviously not absolute but given the default condition of them being agents of justice - not injustice.

Well, that's something rather than an unconditional interpretation.

So, in the case of hiding Jews the Dutch Christians were are allowed to lie ?

 

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Acts 12:22-23​

22 They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.”

23 Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.
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(Better be careful about politicians being shown as Jesus Christ.)

And what is your point?

 

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All i see is excuses .

So?

 

[amigo de christo]

So?

So . its known as hyprocrisy . cause we both know if obama , if biden
if the left did the same thing , you had well warned . AND yes you had been right to do so .
ONLY when the nar realm and trump does it , oH well its just excuse and excuse .
Now its true men can fool men and we can even fool ourselves .
BUT JUST as TRUE IS , AINT NONE GONNA FOOL GOD . I pray that puts a wee bit of fear into some hearts .
Cause it wont be biden
Cause it wont be ya pastor
cause it wont be you
cause it wont be me
Cause it wont be man we stand before ON JESUS DAY .
SO I SUGGEST we start PUTTING JESUS FIRST , SOME REAL GOOD SOUND DOCTRINE FIRST
And not men . watch out , they cannot save you , they cannot save me
and they cannot save themselves . JESUS CAN , but oopsy they abraham accords DONE DENEID THAT ONE
and it aint just trump selling it
THE POPES have long sold it . Watch out . And do beware .

 

[amigo de christo]

Bingo.

And there is Acts 5:29 as final arbiter.

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

now let us all remember that would even include the men that lead them churches .
Cause when men that lead them churches have us to do that which is contrary to GOD ,
WELL lets just say IT WONT BE THEM I BE HEEDING BUT GOD AND HE ALONE .
And i pray and hope all will do the same . We in a WAR and its grown massive now .
And this sheep , as have all other sheeps before me , WE CHOOSE GOD .
Now to the trenches one and to the trenches all .

 

[amigo de christo]

Really?

Let's have a look

Acts 5:29 - But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

During the Nazi occupation of my country in WW2 the Nazi's had this habit (called razzia's) to lock a large block of houses and then knocking on each door with the question : do you hide Jews ?

What do you do as Christian when you hide them ?

Apply Romans 13 and say yes ?

No, you use Acts 5:29 as your final arbiter.

Now who was it the apostels were saying this too . THE VERY LEADERS of THE VERY TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM .
Kinda kicks the ol YA GOTTA JUST SIT AND DO whatever YA LEADERS SAY right in the ol behind .
Thems were THE HIGH priest and very leaders of the people The apostels told that too .
SO the next time someone says
HEY if my church , its pope and its vatican
OR the touch not Gods annointed protestant realm , says YA GOTTA DO WHAT WE SAY .
I SAY , NOT WHEN IT CONTRADICTS GOD I DONT and not only do i not have too
I AINT GONNA DO IT no matter the cost to me .

 

[ProDeo]

Now who was it the apostels were saying this too . THE VERY LEADERS of THE VERY TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM .
Kinda kicks the ol YA GOTTA JUST SIT AND DO whatever YA LEADERS SAY right in the ol behind .
Thems were THE HIGH priest and very leaders of the people The apostels told that too .
SO the next time someone says
HEY if my church , its pope and its vatican
OR the touch not Gods annointed protestant realm , says YA GOTTA DO WHAT WE SAY .
I SAY , NOT WHEN IT CONTRADICTS GOD I DONT and not only do i not have too
I AINT GONNA DO IT no matter the cost to me .

Exactly the context, the apostles disobeying the high priest, shows exactly how Romans 13 should be interpreted.

 

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So . its known as hyprocrisy . cause we both know if obama , if biden
if the left did the same thing , you had well warned .

If you want to describe yourself as a hypocrite, that’s your business…

I don’t find Trumps Love of God, Love of America, Love of Liberty, Respect for the Military, Thankfulness for Medical Hands, Thankfulness for Prayers…
his Generosity… And attention to unnecessary waste and fraud;
small insignificant matters.

It IS…The Whole of …
Make America Great Again

I like It!

 

[Triumph1300]

And what is your point?

.....you have a serious problem not understanding how that scripture relates to Trump's behaviour (Posting himself as Jesus)......

 

[amigo de christo]

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's was about paying your taxes and obeying the laws, nothing more. Submit to the governing authorities is not a command or instruction for the church to try and change those authorities. There are always plenty of people of the world engaged in activism.

Sure, we are to do justice.....act justly, fairly, equitably, honestly....do what is right. That does not equate to political activism.

what many are not taking heed to is ,
Any peace plan that omits the DIRE NECESSITY TO BELEIVE ON JESUS and rather lies and says all religoins
serve the same God differently . ITS PEACE IS NOT OF GOD . b ut is of another who sure can play as though HE IS GOD .
As if its really THE PLAN OF GOD FOR WORLD PEACE and yet this peace plan DENIES HIS OWN SON .
Sounds like its coming f rom another one who is simply merging them to be as one
And now a word .
THINK I CAME to bring peace on EARTH , i tell you NAY but rather divisions .
NOW lets look at their ecumicism and its tatics and its peace plan .
TO REMOVE ALL DIVISIONS in order to RECONCILE . but not man to GOD , but rather tribe to tribe
believers of all religoins as one .
And now another word .
AND BY PEACE HE SHALL DESTROY MANY . who ya really think their peace plan is of ............
IT AINT OF GOD at all . And for this cause shall HE send a STRONG delusion that they should beleive a lie
and be damned . That sounds more like it .

 

[amigo de christo]

So?

Pope leo and all the popes are total hyprocrites . Sure they might be right about
the nar realm and etc that does manipulate religion .
BUT boy howdy the RCC has done that for years for power and control .
THAT is why i brought this to you taken . I expose ALL of them .
THEy are playing the dog and pony show , the pit and divide show
And yet they still doing the same agenda .
And now they all do the working of the ecumenical inclusive interrelgiious dialagoue .
AND BELIEVE ME that RELIGION is GONNA HAVE TOTAL PPOWER and CONTROL over the ENTIRE WORLD
through the digital system .
WE are all being decieved . Let us take our stand for JESUS and the gospel . No compromise .
And get them in the bible please .