The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

[Zao is life]

Did the historic Judaean Christians flee?

Are there NO Judean Christians alive today?

You're obsessed with the flesh and the stones of a building because the Romans destroyed it.

 

[covenantee]

So you have no conscience about your blasphemy - using Jesus for your juvenile jokes when you want to mock others, and mocking Jesus in the process.

You expose yourself with every post you make.

There's nothing more blasphemous than your incessant attempts to gnosticize Christ and remake Him as some kind of nymph.

Your efforts are an abomination of desecration.

 

[covenantee]

Are there NO Judean Christians alive today?

You're obsessed with the flesh and the stones of a building because the Romans destroyed it.

Are you alive today?

 

[Zao is life]

There's nothing more blasphemous than your incessant attempts to gnosticize Christ and remake Him as some kind of nymph.

Your efforts are an abomination of desecration.

You make it so plain and clear to all non-Prets that you are incapable of understanding that what I'm saying has nothing to do with gnosticism

- and you need to brush up on your understanding of the word gnosis. It's simply the Greek word for knowledge of something - like knowledge of the Bible - which you lack - badly.

Gnosticism is to claim to know mysteries that no one else does - and the mystery of why you lack so much understanding regarding basic biblical facts is not something I have any gnosis about - so unless you tell everyone why you lack so much understanding, instead of keeping the mystery a secret, you remain a gnostic (which is probably why you lack so much understanding of the words of God).

 

[covenantee]

So you have no conscience about your blasphemy - using Jesus for your juvenile jokes when you want to mock others, and mocking Jesus in the process.

You expose yourself with every post you make.

LoL. I used to think you were around 25 judging by your level of maturity. Then I had to bring it down to about 18. Now I don't even know.

What grade are you in?

Grade enough to recognize modernist revisionist gnostic cultism.

And you?

 

[Davidpt]

I won't debate it with you for long because we've been down that road before,

but it's as though you think no one in the Bible could possibly be a type or forerunner of anyone else to come later,

and no events in the Bible could possibly be a type or forerunner of events that occur later,

the image of the Babylonian (Nebuchadnezzar) cannot possibly be a type or forerunner of the image of the beast of the Revelation,

and A4E cannot possibly be a type or forerunner of the one who will fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Matthew 24:15,

nor can the events surrounding what he did possibly be a type or forerunner of the same

- and in Matthew 24:15 Jesus could not possibly have given anyone or anything in the Bible as a type or forerunner of the AoD.

So according to you the New Testament Temple is going to be destroyed (not just defiled by the AoD) (because that - by the way - is all that Daniel 9:26-27 says is going to be the end of it).

Either that - or Jesus must have plucked such a thing as an AoD spoken of by Daniel out of the sky - because there is no such thing in the Bible.

PS: If Daniel 11 and 12 are not talking about anything that A4E did and Jesus is not speaking about that as a type or forerunner of the AoD you have a serious issue to resolve - because you then must have the sacrifices for sin and their temporary suspension linked to everything written in Daniel 11 & 12, as occurring at the end of this age - just like the Dispensationalists do.

Think about it in this manner. A4E defiled a literal temple. The temple meant in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 also gets defiled, except it is not meaning a literal temple. OTOH, Judas also defiled a temple, but not a literal temple. Therefore, in my mind Judas is a better type than A4E. Can there be more than one type for something? If yes, maybe both can be a type in that case. But as to A4E the book of Daniel would not be proving it, Maccaabees would be proving it. That assuming A4E can be a type.

 

[covenantee]

You make it so plain and clear to all non-Prets that you are incapable of understanding that what I'm saying has nothing to do with gnosticism

- and you need to brush up on your understanding of the word gnosis. It's simply the Greek word for knowledge of something - like knowledge of the Bible - which you lack - badly.

Gnosticism is to claim to know mysteries that no one else does - and the mystery of why you lack so much understanding regarding basic biblical facts is not something I have any gnosis about - so unless you tell everyone why you lack so much understanding, instead of keeping the mystery a secret, you remain a gnostic (which is probably why you lack so much understanding of the words of God).

You claim to know what the historic orthodox Christian Church never heard of.

The epitome of modernist revisionist gnostic cultic mystery.

 

[Zao is life]

Grade enough to recognize modernist revisionist gnostic cultism.

And you?

You are a member of a cult or at least cult-like group - it's called Preterism.

I have no cult.

You blaspheme Christ in the process of your ridiculous attempts to mock others - many times now with me - and it's futile because you only expose yourself.

I don't blaspheme Christ - but you do - many times now.

 

[Davidpt]

Did the historic Judaean Christians flee?

Yes they did and Luke 21 addresses that. That doesn't mean Matthew 24 addresses it as well. Especially in light of Daniel 12 and what I argued in post #93. Debunk that first before you can conclude you are correct and that I am wrong.

 

[covenantee]

You are a member of a cult or at least cult-like group - it's called Preterism.

I have no cult.

You blaspheme Christ in the process of your ridiculous attempts to mock others - many times now with me - and it's futile because you only expose yourself.

I don't blaspheme Christ - but you do - many times now.

Your gnostications are the epitome of blasphemy.

Jesus was the Greatest Preterist who ever lived.

Every one of the scores of prophecies that He fulfilled was fulfilled long before 70 AD.

That's the quintessence of preterism.

 

[covenantee]

Yes they did and Luke 21 addresses that. That doesn't mean Matthew 24 addresses it as well. Especially in light of Daniel 12 and what I argued in post #93. Debunk that first before you can conclude you are correct and that I am wrong.

Explain how Jesus' followers' actions resulting from their understanding of His admonition in Matthew 24:16; differed from their actions resulting from their understanding of His admonition in Luke 21:21.

 

[Zao is life]

Think about it in this manner. A4E defiled a literal temple. The temple meant in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 also gets defiled, except it is not meaning a literal temple.

Exactly. Because A4E and the temple he defiled is a type. It's not the antitype.

I don't know why but you seem determined to prove you don't understand what a type is. Yet in other places and in other respects you do know.

If A4E is not a type of the one who will defile the non-literal Temple, and if the literal temple is not a type of the non-literal Temple, then Joseph who was sold by His brothers for twenty pieces of silver is not a type of the Messiah because he was not the literal Messiah.

OTOH, Judas also defiled a temple, but not a literal temple.

I'm not following you. What temple did Judas defile?

Therefore, in my mind Judas is a better type than A4E. Can there be more than one type for something?

Yes.

If yes, maybe both can be a type in that case.

Okay. I can count. That makes 2 types

- which IMO is why Paul called him "the son of perdition" (Judas Iscariot is the only other one in scripture who carries that title) (notice I said other one - not Judas, but his antitype)

and "the man of sin" - then it describes him becoming an idol in the holy place by exalting himself the way A4E did - and A4E claimed to be the human incarnation of the god who he placed in the temple (the king of the gods).

Everything written about A4E makes him the other main type - because it was he who placed what is called the abomination of desolation in the temple.

But while we're counting, let's go to 3 types - because Nebuchadnezzar is another - the beast who erected an image of himself and forced all peoples nations tribes tongues to worship his image that represented him - on pain of death.

etc etc

But as to A4E the book of Daniel would not be proving it, Maccaabees would be proving it. That assuming A4E can be a type.

There is more said about A4E by Daniel that proves he is a type, than is said about Judas Iscariot. Daniel did not have to name him, any more than he named Titus - the prince who destroyed the temple.

But the proof is in the pudding - check what Paul calls him in 2 Thessalonians - because he has two titles - the man of sin or lawless one - one who also tries to change set times and laws like A4E did - and the son of perdition. The man of sin is going to cause the saints to apostatize and to worship him while he causes communion to be made TO HIM.

Type: A4E
Type: Judas Iscariot.

 

[Zao is life]

Jesus was the Greatest Preterist who ever lived.

OK so you don't follow the Jesus of scripture.

Got it.

 

[covenantee]

OK so you don't follow the Jesus of scripture.

Got it.

I leave that to gnostics.

 

[Zao is life]

I leave that to gnostics.

Good. You'll find them in your church. You're one of them. It's just all been a mystery to you.

 

[covenantee]

Good. You'll find them in your church.

Not in my Church.

 

[Zao is life]

Not in my Church.

When did you leave your church?

 

[covenantee]

When did you leave your church?

They left as soon as the Gospel was preached.

You would too.

 

[Zao is life]

They left as soon as the Gospel was preached.

You would too.

So you are the only gnostic in the building who believes your gnostic gospel?

 

[covenantee]

So you are the only gnostic in the building?

Why would I leave with you and them?