Who, can Not Sin and Why?

[Ziggy]

First, let's look at Ezekiel 16:1-3. This prophecy is addressed to Jerusalem, as representative of the southern kingdom of Judah. Jerusalem's idolatry with other gods is described as like an unfaithful wife prostituting herself and committing multiple adulteries against her husband. Then verse 46 identifies Jerusalem's "older sister Sodom" as Samaria, the northern kingdom of Israel. Knowing what Sodom is notorious for, Samaria's sin is metaphorically analogous to forcibly sodomizing the poor and needy and committing "abominations" (same Hebrew word תּוֹעֵבָה used in the Leviticus 18:22 clobber verse) with other gods. And yet God considered Judah twice as bad as Israel. Rather graphic, no?

It is.
I believe what God is pointing out is the state of their heart.
If their heart was right then these other things wouldn't happen.
The first thing that is mentioned is Pride.

pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
Eze 16:50
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Mar 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

And yet God considered Judah twice as bad as Israel.

I believe Jesus did too:
Mat 11:24
But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Hugs

 

[Lambano]

I believe Jesus did too:
Mat 11:24
But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

By comparing God's people unfavorably with Sodom, I think Jesus was trying to shock some folks who thought they were righteous out of their complacency.

Rather sobering, considering the topic of this thread.

 

[Lambano]

I believe what God is pointing out is the state of their heart.
If their heart was right then these other things wouldn't happen.
The first thing that is mentioned is Pride.

pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Pride, selfishness, complacency, and lack of concern for the poor and needy. Sins of the heart. Also highly appropriate for this thread.

 

[Brakelite]

We all CAN sin. We should try not to

I think "trying not to" is a mistake. It's doomed to failure. We cannot become righteous by trying. Righteousness is a gift. It comes by faith. If we sin, we confess our sins and God cleanses us from ALL unrighteousness. Righteousness comes from God. It's actually Christ's righteousness that we receive by faith, and we receive it by receiving Him. However, we fail to understand how deep sin is embedded in our nature. That's why Paul says we are to die daily. And are born again daily. It's a daily struggle, not so much against sin, but against self. We have to come to a point where we hate what God hates, and love what God loves. It's a process of sanctification that removes all the pride and selfishness that gives rise to sin. Can we overcome, absolutely.

 

[Lambano]

I was reminded that if God does give a brother or sister the gift of being "entirely sanctified" in this life, rather than tear them down out of envy because they were given something I was not, I should rejoice for my brother or sister and praise God for it.

 

[Taken]

Who, can Not Sin and Why?

Regarding …Mankind…

All are naturally born IN Sin.
A result of procreation from a tainted seed.

All born, are mortal, meaning, it, the born manKIND of being, Body must, shall, is required to die.

The Creator…forms the body.
The Maker…..gives it Temporary Life.

The Creator has Offered that Body an Order, Way, Freely, Willing, Option, Choice…
To be MADE Alive Forever, WITH its Creator and Maker.

The Why, is Because…
The Creator and Maker, Loves His Creations and Desires to have His Creations WITH Him Forever.

The Conundrum is: Not All of The Creators Creations, Want, Desire, Will Choose, to Be WITH their Creator Forever.

Equitable, Fair, Just Solution:
Every Human SHALL Get as They Choose.

Choose your Temporary Life’s Ending be Permanent….
…Requires NO effort, work, requirements.

Choose your Temporary Life to be MADE, extended, to Forever Life…
….Requires Effort, Work, Protocol, Order, Way; Choosing.

The Creator and Maker HAS established the Step by Step Order and Way, for any Human desiring TO:
Establish, Accomplish, Achieve, Receive, Have, Possess, the Status, the Offering, the Blessing, the Gift…
OF: Eternal Life With the Creator and Maker.

The Beauty…IS:
Nothing IS Secret.
The Ancient Oral Teaching, The Historical Teaching….
Has been Written, Copied, Printed, Published, Mass Produced, For Sale, Distributed For Free, In thousands of Buildings with open invitations to come and hear, Remote lands, Available on Air waves, Televisions, Radio, Internet, Forums, Clubs, Homes, Schools…on and on and on….
*
For the Willing to hear…as they choose.
*
And the unWilling to Reject…as they choose..

The Book of Scriptures:
IS the Creators In-SPIRIT-ed Approved source for Verification of WHAT you hear.

The Book of Scriptures:
IS: the DO….and DO NOT DO… Source, for That Which an Individual Desires to Accomplish….
Good or Evil.

Meaning: an individual CAN…
Step by Step Follow the Steps, Order, Way: TO Gain, Receive, Have, Possess,:
The Creators Offering…

OR:
Step by Step Follow the Steps TO:
To deter, reject, doubt, prohibit, prevent,
The Creators Offering…

Warning…Beware…
The Monkey Wrench…
The Ignorant
The Gaslighters
The False Accusers

Glory to The Lord God Almighty.

May His Abundant Blessings and Received Gifts Comfort you Always and Forever.

Taken

 

[Jack]

Who, can Not Sin and Why?

Regarding …Mankind…

All are naturally born IN Sin.
A result of procreation from a tainted seed.

All born, are mortal, meaning, it, the born manKIND of being, Body must, shall, is required to die.

The Creator…forms the body.
The Maker…..gives it Temporary Life.

The Creator has Offered that Body an Order, Way, Freely, Willing, Option, Choice…
To be MADE Alive Forever, WITH its Creator and Maker.

The Why, is Because…
The Creator and Maker, Loves His Creations and Desires to have His Creations WITH Him Forever.

The Conundrum is: Not All of The Creators Creations, Want, Desire, Will Choose, to Be WITH their Creator Forever.

Equitable, Fair, Just Solution:
Every Human SHALL Get as They Choose.

Choose your Temporary Life’s Ending be Permanent….
…Requires NO effort, work, requirements.

Choose your Temporary Life to be MADE, extended, to Forever Life…
….Requires Effort, Work, Protocol, Order, Way; Choosing.

The Creator and Maker HAS established the Step by Step Order and Way, for any Human desiring TO:
Establish, Accomplish, Achieve, Receive, Have, Possess, the Status, the Offering, the Blessing, the Gift…
OF: Eternal Life With the Creator and Maker.

The Beauty…IS:
Nothing IS Secret.
The Ancient Oral Teaching, The Historical Teaching….
Has been Written, Copied, Printed, Published, Mass Produced, For Sale, Distributed For Free, In thousands of Buildings with open invitations to come and hear, Remote lands, Available on Air waves, Televisions, Radio, Internet, Forums, Clubs, Homes, Schools…on and on and on….
*
For the Willing to hear…as they choose.
*
And the unWilling to Reject…as they choose..

The Book of Scriptures:
IS the Creators In-SPIRIT-ed Approved source for Verification of WHAT you hear.

The Book of Scriptures:
IS: the DO….and DO NOT DO… Source, for That Which an Individual Desires to Accomplish….
Good or Evil.

Meaning: an individual CAN…
Step by Step Follow the Steps, Order, Way: TO Gain, Receive, Have, Possess,:
The Creators Offering…

OR:
Step by Step Follow the Steps TO:
To deter, reject, doubt, prohibit, prevent,
The Creators Offering…

Warning…Beware…
The Monkey Wrench…
The Ignorant
The Gaslighters
The False Accusers

Glory to The Lord God Almighty.

May His Abundant Blessings and Received Gifts Comfort you Always and Forever.

Taken

LOTS of opinions, ZERO Scripture!-

 

[Taken]

LOTS of opinions, ZERO Scripture!-

False accusation

The Scriptures have been provided on this thread, for the lazy, unwilling to go and search for themselves… and responded by YOU with Rejection.

 

[Jack]

False accusation

The Scriptures have been provided on this thread, for the lazy, unwilling to go and search for themselves… and responded by YOU with Rejection.

OSAS / doctrine of demons
CANNOT sin / doctrine of demons

 

[Taken]

OSAS / doctrine of demons
CANNOT sin / doctrine of demons

Your opinion…and Irrelevant, for they who sought, learned, chose, received Gods Offering.

 

[Jack]

Your opinion…and Irrelevant, for they who sought, learned, chose, received Gods Offering.

You claim to NEVER sin. So what will happen to you if you commit a sin? Hell Fire?

No clear answer expected!

 

[Taken]

You claim to NEVER sin. So what will happen to you if you commit a sin? Hell Fire?

No clear answer expected!

You have very unpleasant attitude that scripture describes as stiffnecked, sluggard, stubborn and ignorant.

No one has a requirement to research, look up, read, learn, study, explain, understand for you.

No one has a requirement to be subject to damning Scriptures You Cherrypick and use as a False Accusation Charge Against them.

No one has an Obligation to teach you what words mean, or YEILD to you being their teacher or spokesperson.

Every person on this forum, has a right to express “their own” Religious Beliefs.

I have expressed my Beliefs, in my words.
I have on numerous occasions Verified MY chosen Standing and Beliefs according to Scriptures.

You make your Standing and Beliefs Known… Not BY a testimony of Standing FOR… rather by What You Stand Against.

Example:

Jack-
“ OSAS / doctrine of demons
CANNOT sin / doctrine of demons”

Salvation is a Gift Offering From God, to manKind….Promised, while the man is Living, and Given After the mans Mortal Death.
* Not Demons.

* And No the mortally dead man does not come back to mortal Life and Lose his Gift!

Salvation is A Gift Offering to Living men, willing to be bodily Crucified with Christ Jesus’ body, receive their Gift of Salvation,
And Live IN Christs Risen Body, Until their Own Mortal body dies and is Risen up Glorified.
And No, Christs Body could not Sin, and Christs Risen Body Can not Sin, and The mans Body still Fleshly alive with Christs Spirit and Seed in that man can not Sin.

And No, Gods Blessing, Spiritual Gifts, are Not Blessings, Gifts, Doctrines of Demons…
As is your standing, beliefs, teachings

Anyone can call themselves or others a “Christian”.
That is an “indicator” of following Christs Teachings…
* Fact is CHRIST taught…”Do’s AND Don’ts”..
And YOU, exhibited favoring the “Don’ts”…and masquerade as an authority to subscribe the “Don’ts” to Others.

* A “converted Christian”… is a Declaration of Do as Christ, and incapable of the Don’ts, because of and by the Power of Christs Power IN them.

It is NOT my requirement to Appease your foolish rants, Anti-Christ claims, False accusations, or look up scriptures for you.

You chose your standing, I chose mine…
Polar Opposites.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

You have very unpleasant attitude that scripture describes as stiffnecked, sluggard, stubborn and ignorant.

No one has a requirement to research, look up, read, learn, study, explain, understand for you.

No one has a requirement to be subject to damning Scriptures You Cherrypick and use as a False Accusation Charge Against them.

No one has an Obligation to teach you what words mean, or YEILD to you being their teacher or spokesperson.

Every person on this forum, has a right to express “their own” Religious Beliefs.

I have expressed my Beliefs, in my words.
I have on numerous occasions Verified MY chosen Standing and Beliefs according to Scriptures.

You make your Standing and Beliefs Known… Not BY a testimony of Standing FOR… rather by What You Stand Against.

Example:



Salvation is a Gift Offering From God, to manKind….Promised, while the man is Living, and Given After the mans Mortal Death.
* Not Demons.

* And No the mortally dead man does not come back to mortal Life and Lose his Gift!

Salvation is A Gift Offering to Living men, willing to be bodily Crucified with Christ Jesus’ body, receive their Gift of Salvation,
And Live IN Christs Risen Body, Until their Own Mortal body dies and is Risen up Glorified.
And No, Christs Body could not Sin, and Christs Risen Body Can not Sin, and The mans Body still Fleshly alive with Christs Spirit and Seed in that man can not Sin.

And No, Gods Blessing, Spiritual Gifts, are Not Blessings, Gifts, Doctrines of Demons…
As is your standing, beliefs, teachings

Anyone can call themselves or others a “Christian”.
That is an “indicator” of following Christs Teachings…
* Fact is CHRIST taught…”Do’s AND Don’ts”..
And YOU, exhibited favoring the “Don’ts”…and masquerade as an authority to subscribe the “Don’ts” to Others.

* A “converted Christian”… is a Declaration of Do as Christ, and incapable of the Don’ts, because of and by the Power of Christs Power IN them.

It is NOT my requirement to Appease your foolish rants, Anti-Christ claims, False accusations, or look up scriptures for you.

You chose your standing, I chose mine…
Polar Opposites.

Glory to God,
Taken

Stop EVADING and tell us what's gonna happen to all us sinners here who CAN sin.

Your bible was written by unsaved men, according to YOU.

 

[Jack]

You have very unpleasant attitude that scripture describes as stiffnecked, sluggard, stubborn and ignorant.

Yes, the Bible is VERY unpleasant to the self righteous.

Luke 18:10-14
10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men--

No one has a requirement to research, look up, read, learn, study, explain, understand for you.

No one has a requirement to be subject to damning Scriptures You Cherrypick and use as a False Accusation Charge Against them.

No one has an Obligation to teach you what words mean, or YEILD to you being their teacher or spokesperson.

Every person on this forum, has a right to express “their own” Religious Beliefs.

I have expressed my Beliefs, in my words.
I have on numerous occasions Verified MY chosen Standing and Beliefs according to Scriptures.

You make your Standing and Beliefs Known… Not BY a testimony of Standing FOR… rather by What You Stand Against.

Example:

Salvation is a Gift Offering From God, to manKind….Promised, while the man is Living, and Given After the mans Mortal Death.
* Not Demons.

* And No the mortally dead man does not come back to mortal Life and Lose his Gift!

Salvation is A Gift Offering to Living men, willing to be bodily Crucified with Christ Jesus’ body, receive their Gift of Salvation,
And Live IN Christs Risen Body, Until their Own Mortal body dies and is Risen up Glorified.
And No, Christs Body could not Sin, and Christs Risen Body Can not Sin, and The mans Body still Fleshly alive with Christs Spirit and Seed in that man can not Sin.

And No, Gods Blessing, Spiritual Gifts, are Not Blessings, Gifts, Doctrines of Demons…
As is your standing, beliefs, teachings

Anyone can call themselves or others a “Christian”.
That is an “indicator” of following Christs Teachings…
* Fact is CHRIST taught…”Do’s AND Don’ts”..
And YOU, exhibited favoring the “Don’ts”…and masquerade as an authority to subscribe the “Don’ts” to Others.

* A “converted Christian”… is a Declaration of Do as Christ, and incapable of the Don’ts, because of and by the Power of Christs Power IN them.

It is NOT my requirement to Appease your foolish rants, Anti-Christ claims, False accusations, or look up scriptures for you.

You chose your standing, I chose mine…
Polar Opposites.

Glory to God,
Taken

AGAIN ZERO Scripture! So what's gonna happen to all of us 'sinners' here? Hell Fire? Why won't you answer?

 

[PS95]

I think "trying not to" is a mistake. It's doomed to failure. We cannot become righteous by trying. Righteousness is a gift. It comes by faith. If we sin, we confess our sins and God cleanses us from ALL unrighteousness. Righteousness comes from God. It's actually Christ's righteousness that we receive by faith, and we receive it by receiving Him. However, we fail to understand how deep sin is embedded in our nature. That's why Paul says we are to die daily. And are born again daily. It's a daily struggle, not so much against sin, but against self. We have to come to a point where we hate what God hates, and love what God loves. It's a process of sanctification that removes all the pride and selfishness that gives rise to sin. Can we overcome, absolutely.

Yep. I agree that our righteousness is imputed and all that you said there agree.. Brakelight.. ( been a while.. how u been? )
Maybe you took "try not to" as if I mean I anxiously worry over the possibility of sinning or something.. No.. Perhaps I should have said we are to resist temptations instead. Same meaning..
I don't discount obedience, so I still say we should try not to sin.. Sometimes the Holy Spirit sometimes nudges me just before I say something I should not.... I have a choice then.. heed the Spirit or not.? I certainly don't want to grieve the Spirit, so I obey.
Sure, I fail at times but like you said, I confess it and know my Lord hears me- and I keep going.

Here is a different sort of example- soon I am going to meet with cousins I haven't see in over 25 years- they both like to drink- they are not believers and they do not know me well now. I only have a glass of wine with dinner on occasion, but when I was younger, I knew how to put them away. .- so when I meet with them I will have to "try not to" drink much because they will be for sure.. I can get drunk with them or not- I have a choice. I don't want to. But I may be tempted and I will try not to be sucked into that. --Idk if that was the best example but it's what came to mind. I will pray before I go and ask for the strength to resist any temptation that may come my way. Of course there is always some amount of effort (obedience) on our part.

I left this thread since I can never get through to people who say they can't sin-it's frustrating. You brought me back here- ugh I don't have a ton of patience with cherry picking verses. I was raised by cherry picker teachings and it's truly one awful thing to do.
I don't agree with people who say we can not ever sin. That's not what John was saying- people who take it that way are simply not reading ALL of 1 John.
Because if they did read it all they would see that John speaking to believers- says- don't sin but If you do sin- we have an advocate- Jesus..
1 John 2:1
1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
To say that John said believers can never ever sin- when John then tells believers not to sin - but if they do......
is making John into a nutcase who contradicts himself in the next paragraph!


And of course sin is unbelief- Yet, it is not the only sin we are capable of. There is sin leading to death and other sins. We are not to walk in those either. 1 Jo 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.

We are to love God and our neighbor. - It is no longer a sin to steal from your neighbor? to kill your neighbor? .. to lie to them? etc.. We know love fulfills the law- and we are under grace, but we are to love and and IF we belong to Him we are to obey His commands, and we are being perfected in love... becoming more like Christ- Yes, we die to sin daily. We put to death the deeds of of the flesh by the Spirit. This is the daily walk. I know you know what I'm saying.

We have the righteousness of Christ- amen- but as John said-- we also are to live according to that righteousness.
1 John 3:10-

Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

13Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

16By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

There are folks on here that do not understand the scriptures properly, and they do cherry pick, and most times they are the ones who think that they are the bold smart teachers. It's sad to see. I prefer to pray for them rather than have a 200 page thread.

 

[Taken]

Stop EVADING and tell us what's gonna happen to all us sinners here who CAN sin.

Evading, is being asked and not answering.

You didn’t ask me anything.

But I did ask you; What is Sin?
And you Evaded the question.

Your bible was written by unsaved men, according to YOU.

Lying, is a Liar, making False claims.
I never made that claim.

 

[Taken]

I understand you said you CANNOT sin!

Correct… A most stellar Gift Offered and Given me From MY Lord God Almighty.

John and Paul CLEARLY included themselves as sinners!

I am confidant MY Lord God Almighty included John and Paul being “Forgiven sinners”…and Thereafter “Sanctified”, that they also could Sin, no more.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Elementary…
Not a Newsflash…
The Confess-ED, The Forgiv-EN, The Sanctifi-ED, ARE The cleans-ED, and Can “COMMIT”….Sin, NO MORE.

 

[Taken]

And of course sin is unbelief-

Agree.

Yet, it is not the only sin we are capable of. There is sin leading to death and other sins.

Where are “such other SINS listed”…?
Who was John “speaking to”…?

 

[Jack]

Evading, is being asked and not answering.

You didn’t ask me anything.

But I did ask you; What is Sin?
And you Evaded the question.

Lying, is a Liar, making False claims.
I never made that claim.

"Stop EVADING and tell us what's gonna happen to all us sinners here who CAN sin."

 

[Jack]

Correct… A most stellar Gift Offered and Given me From MY Lord God Almighty.



I am confidant MY Lord God Almighty included John and Paul being “Forgiven sinners”…and Thereafter “Sanctified”, that they also could Sin, no more.

Paul admitting he was a sinner while writing the Bible;
Romans 7:19-24
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
24 O wretched man that I am!

John admitting he was a sinner while writing the Bible:
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins

Elementary…
Not a Newsflash…
The Confess-ED, The Forgiv-EN, The Sanctifi-ED, ARE The cleans-ED, and Can “COMMIT”….Sin, NO MORE.

So you say that unsaved men wrote your Bible!