The Law of Moses : Can't Define a CHRISTian. #1

[Behold]

Quick Lesson On : The LAW of MOSES

1.) Its MOSES Law that defines a person as a sinner, because its Moses 613 Laws and Commandments that are broken which define you, until you become a born again CHRISTian.

So, when a person is born again, they are born again "NOT under the law, but UNDER GRACE">., and that is an eternal change, not a temporary change, and its based on THE CROSS OF CHRIST and not on our behavior.

Now Reader, what is the main purpose of... The Moses 613 Laws and Moses 10 Commandments? ??

A.) """" That the entire world is shown to be guilty before God."" Paul teaches in Romans., as that is the effect of the Law and 10 Commandments AGAINST us all.
Reader, the Law is not for you, its against you......Its designed to REVEAL what you are before God so that you will turn to Christ for eternal help, for eternal forgiveness, and for eternal Salvation.

So, this issue with MOSES Law..... has to be resolved or we "die in our sins" and we go to hell.

Now, Notice this verse carefully.

A.) = """""Jesus is the END of THE LAW....for Righteousness, to/for everyone who BELIEVES""". .. Paul teaches us.

So, if you are a born again Christian then you are no longer under the law, and you are no longer being judged by the law and 10 commandments.

You are : ""NOT under the LAW, but Under Grace"".

Now why does this blow the minds of most Christians.....to the point that they can't believe it and want to resist this truth?
Its because the carnal nature and the Devil are always working together to try to wipe out the revelation knowledge regarding = "who we have become IN CHRIST".
And what we have to do, is get the right mind about this, .. recognizing every day of our lives = our eternal Status "in Christ".." not under the law"...= having become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

So, if a believer is to "walk in the Spirit" in the "renewed mind", as Paul teaches, then you have to get the revelation that a born again Christian is "not under the law", and they exit as "made free from sin"... .having become .. "THE Righteousness of God, in Christ".

That is GOD's eternal perspective of every Born Again Christian, and we must get the same MIND , and keep it.

Reader this revelation knowledge is SPIRITUAL...= SPIRITUAL only, and it wont fit the belief system of a carnal minded believer, or a religious fakir who both believe that they are a sinner, sinning, and need to confess sin and "behavior modify"... to try to stay saved.

 

[Wrangler]

a religious fakir who both believe that they are a sinner, sinning, and need to confess sin and "behavior modify"... to try to stay saved.

Don't you ever get tired of starting OSAS threads? Do you think Jesus died on the cross so we can sin in perpetuity with impunity?

 

[Ziggy]

Don't you ever get tired of starting OSAS threads? Do you think Jesus died on the cross so we can sin in perpetuity with impunity?

Here is the thing.
If you believe in God and you have been born again and have Christ in you,
You can not sin.
Sin is not believing in God and his word.
That is sin.

If you have put your faith and your life in his hands TOTALLY, you will not break any of the commandments.
You will Love God with all your heart and mind and soul,
And you will love your neighbor and cause no harm upon them.
You won't lie. You won't steal, You won't commit adultery.
You won't seek out other gods.
You won't make idols to bow down to.
You won't covet your neighbors wife or their goods.

You will be content right where you are. Knowing that God is in control of your life.

There are warnings however for those who after knowing God willingly choose to turn their back on him and become let's say anti-Christ.
Unbelieving, faithless, rebellious.
Then one would have to question if that person was ever truly saved to begin with.

Heb 6:4
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

If you are Truly saved, then you are Always saved.
And we have God's promise on that.

Heb 10:15
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Heb 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Hugs

 

[Behold]

Don't you ever get tired of starting OSAS threads?

I get "tired" of baby christians who dont carefully read my Threads, and they don't study their bible, and they seem to live on forums.
So, you are exactly one of those who has not studied HOW the Atonement has taken care of Sin which allows God to "by Grace"... = "impute" His ETERNAL Righteousness to the BELIEVER, as the "GIFT of Righteousness".....Paul teaches.

Fella, This is literally baby christian 101, im teaching on This Thread, and you are unable to even understand the most basic principles regarding the finished work of Christ on the Cross.,which is why you continue to beat your "OSAS" dead horse to death in front of us, @Wrangler .

You dont even know that the NT has defined you as a Hebrews 6:1.
Go and read about yourself, as you are in the bible.
Find out.

Now...How can you be saved all this time, all these years, if that is true..... and yet you have no idea that the "imputed righteousness" that was given to Abraham, is the same GRACE that God gives to a BELIEVER today and for the last 2000ys..
So, how can you not know anything about this and all you can do is rant your OSAS mantra.?

Listen, this "OSAS" junk is for FAKE BELIEVERS.....or diaper baby believers who KNOW NOTHING about "imputed righteousness" that Paul teaches about in Colossians, Galatians, Ephesians, Romans, 1-2 Tim, Titus,..........and more.
This TRUTH is the very HEART of Paul's Gospel........is the "imputed righteousness" of God that has removed the law from a Believer.
And when there is "no law, there is no SIN (no Transgression".. that can be JUDGED by THE LAW or the 10 Commandments.

Why dont you know the simple basic fact about born again which is... = IF you are born again, you are in the SPIRITUAL KOG, and there is no Moses Law or 10 Commandments found there.
This is why 2 Cor 5:19 and Romans 4:8 tell. you that God does not CHARGE SIN to a BELIEVER, ever again.
But you dont know this eternal realithy @Wrangler, because you are not a real bible student.
Maybe you should read those verses, and begin this very day to finally learn some BIBLE that you needed to learn, some decades ago........obviously.

Paul himself teaches this very simple theology, that is my THREAD...... which is the "simplicity that is in Christ".
See, that's what im teaching.
As this Pauline Doctrine explains what Christ has become for the believer, and yet, you have no idea about any of this, and all you can do, is prove me right in your next post Mr Legalist Moses Law fanatic.

You know, sometimes "auntjane" decides that she wants to teach me some of her JW crazy theology, and i give her some leeway because she is underwater because of her Cult.
So, what is your issue ?
Why are you so lacking in NT Soteriology understanding as PAUL teaches it in His 13 Epistles?
Do you want to name your cult for us so that we can understand what is your problem?

Now listen up,
....I have this interesting point of view @Wrangler , and that is.......that if someone claims to be a Christian, and they are saved more then 10 yrs, and still have no idea that their sins are gone and God's eternal righteousness is become them as a "new creation in Christ'.....then that person who does not COMPREHEND any of this......is simply not saved.
They are a FAKE Christian. They are "religious but lost".........and probably water baptized at least once.
Do you follow me?

So, Its pathetic that you are so far away from understanding the BLOOD ATONENMENT<, that is God's "Gift of Rigthteousness" that has dealt with your sin, 2000 yrs ago, if that has happened to you.
So, How can a real Christian not know this GOSPEL, this "Gift of Salvation"..?....How can you not know it after all these YEARS you are supposedly become a Christian? ??????????????
All you can do is fight the truth regarding God's Grace....with your carnal minded legalism and your backwards theology.

Time to get in the game.
Time to learn some of Paul's Doctrine.
Time to catch up.

So, yeah, i get very tired of hyper religious carnal babes who stop by my Threads to whine about their "OSAS" blindness.
Sure.
However, because God always shows real bible students wrong theology by using people like you........as they read what i write to people like you....(get it)... (see your value to me)?...........So, many who who are brand new to the faith, or who are just confused but are sincere read my conversations with hyper religious Moses Law fanatic Legalists , and they able to realize the truth and not become what you've become.
And thank GOD that is always happening whenever im on a Forum for about 2 decades now.

Do you think Jesus died on the cross so we can sin in perpetuity with impunity?

Notice carefully what has happened to all the sins of a CHRISTian.

1.) "God hath made Jesus TO BE SIN.. .for US"..

2.) "US" = is the born again.

And notice this next one from Paul...

"Jesus is the ONE TIME.......ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

Now, do you see that Jesus has become your sin ?????, and is the ONE TIME ETERNAL Sacrifice for it? ??

No you dont see it, and that is a real problem for you.

 

[Behold]

If you believe in God and you have been born again and have Christ in you,
You can not sin.

You posted something that is absolutely true, but its not for the reason you think it is...

Reader.......

If you read 1 John 3:9, in a KJV, then you'll find that John says that a believer "can't sin".

KJV """"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannont sin = because he is born of God."""""

So, my Thread has already detailed for you that """where there is no LAW, there is no SIN (no Transgression found)"""., and a Christian is "not under the Law, but under Grace".

So why is that?

Its simply because the real you, is not your mind or your body.
The REAL YOU< that God has redeemed forever.... and that God is dealing with on His own eternal level, is your SPIIRT Man.....as this is the "born again" "new creation".
So, that is the real you........as THAT is the "CHRISTian"..........who gets the New Body.

See, When Jesus told us......>"You must be BORN......again"....>Hes not talking about your mind or your body or water baptism.
He's talking literally about your spirit.......as this is the real you that is born again......or not.

So, once your spirit is born again by God's Holy Spirit.....then where does it exist? ??????????????????
It exists as "one with God".. "in Christ"........."not under the law".. = IN the Kingdom of God that is a Spiritual Kingdom.

See that?
So, that is the real you, if you are truly born again..... and there is no sin found there.....not ever.

This is why the NT teaches that : as Jesus IS.....so are the born again in this world.<.

This is why the NT teaches that "Jesus is The Light " and the born again are "children OF THE LIGHT">...

Therefore, we much get this revelation regarding who we have BECOME.."in Christ".. as that is our Eternal Identity...and the only one that GOD SEES.
And once you do get this revelation from Paul's teaching.....then when you do study Romans 4:8 or 2 Cor 5:19, that says that GOD does not charge sin to a believer born again.....then it'll begin to make sense to you.
You'll be able to begin to connect the doctrinal dots..........you'll be able to understand why God accepted Abraham's FAITH, and why He is the father of our Faith., as Paul teaches in Romans.
You'll begin to realize and discern what "imputed righteousness" means for the BELIEVER.
And the moment this happens, then you have "worked out your salvation".....You've literally understood it, as its meant to be understood.
Paul then will say of you.... in the scriptures that you are one of these..

"as many as BE PERFECT"..........

Reader, walking in the Spirit, that is the true walk of FAITH.........is all about gaining the revelation of who you have Become, forever, "IN CHRIST".

 

[Ziggy]

You posted something that is absolutely true, but its not for the reason you think it is...

Reader.......

If you read 1 John 3:9, in a KJV, then you'll find that John says that a believer "can't sin".

KJV """"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannont sin = because he is born of God."""""

So, my Thread has already detailed for you that """where there is no LAW, there is no SIN (no Transgression found)"""., and a Christian is "not under the Law, but under Grace".

So why is that?

Its simply because the real you, is not your mind or your body.
The REAL YOU< that God has redeemed forever.... and that God is dealing with on His own eternal level, is your SPIIRT Man.....as this is the "born again" "new creation".
So, that is the real you........as THAT is the "CHRISTian"..........who gets the New Body.

See, When Jesus told us......>"You must be BORN......again"....>Hes not talking about your mind or your body or water baptism.
He's talking literally about your spirit.......as this is the real you that is born again......or not.

So, once your spirit is born again by God's Holy Spirit.....then where does it exist? ??????????????????
It exists as "one with God".. "in Christ"........."not under the law"..

See that?
So, that is the real you, if you are truly born again..... and there is no sin found there.....not ever.

This is why the NT teaches that : as Jesus IS.....so are the born again in this world.<.

Therefore, we much get this revelation regarding who we have BECOME.."in Christ".. as that is our Eternal Identity...and the only one that GOD SEES.
And once you do get this revelation from Paul's teaching.....then when you read Romans 4:8 or 2 Cor 5:19, that says that GOD does not charge sin to a believer born again.....then it'll begin to make sense to you.

I understand that to be converted.

Mat 13:15
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Act 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

God gave stone laws to men with stone hearts.
God gave Spiritual laws to men who live by the Spirit.

When God converts the heart from stone to spirit, thou art truly saved.

Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

Don't you ever get tired of starting OSAS threads? Do you think Jesus died on the cross so we can sin in perpetuity with impunity?

Here is the thing.
If you believe in God

I get "tired" of baby christians who

Unable to answer my questions. Typical.

 

[Wrangler]

Here is the thing.
If you believe in God and you have been born again and have Christ in you,
You can not sin.

False. Humans are capable of sin, including those who have been saved. Saved. Sanctified. Not the same thing.

Saved is instant. Sanctified is a process. See backslide.

 

[Behold]

Look again.......

The way a Christian can "live free from sin" is not by trying to be good.
Its not by trying not to use profanity again.
its not by trying to stop watching the "NetFlix "R"" or other CABLE "Adult" programs.

They way you live free from sin, is to live no longer being judged by MOSES Law., as its the Law OF MOSES that defines you as a sinner and your deeds that break Moses Law as Transgressions. (SIN).

So, you have to get out of THAT place, which is a mind issue, A WRONG understanding issue.....

See, for the Christian, who is born again "in Christ", having received "the Gift of Righteousness"....... this places them where the Law of Moses including the 10 Commandments can't define them anymore as a sinner because it cant define their deeds as sinful.

A.) "where there IS NO LAW......there is no SIN found (transgression)".

= The Born again believer is "NOT UNDER the Law, but UNDER GRACE"...........So, the CNRISTian exists "under Grace" and there is no Moses Law or 10 Commandments found there that can touch them.

The Law and 10 Commandments are made for SINNERS........not for Christians.
Didn't you know?

So, we see its not about stopping bad behavior......that frees you from sin.
What frees you from sin is when you understand that you have been made free from sin and from the law........by The Cross of Christ as Paul teaches us in this verse.

AA.) "Christ is the END OF THE LAW For Righteousness, for/to everyone who BELIEVES".

Reader, if you are born again, and you are struggling to stop some wrong behavior pattern, or lust, then this is simply because you are not in the right mind where the freedom from sin is the walk of faith.
The right mind is to know what it means to have become "the rightesousness of God in Christ".
The wrong mind is to believe that your salvation is "on you" to try to keep from losing, by being good enough and confessing sin.

So, you have to decide if you want to continue to be under Moses Law, or freed and under God's Grace.
Why dont you decide today to go with God's Grace and find out what this "Gift of Righteousness" and "Gift of Salvation" eternal life experience is all about that Paul is teaching you in His 13 Epistles....

Imigine how ignorant it is "theologically" and "rationally" and "Logically"... to THINK and Believe, that you please God by trying to keep Moses Law that is only designed to reveal you as a sinner......

So, if you read all that which i just posted , and you have a "lightbulb" moment in your inner man, then keep following that light and God "who exists in LIGHT"... will bring you to a place of Revelation that He's been waiting for a "child of The Light" to encounter.

 

[Behold]

False. Humans are capable of sin,

But God does not charge sin to a born again Christian.
He has alredy charged all their sin to JESUS ON THE CROSS.

Why dont you know this @Wrangler ?

So, do you understand yet @Wrangler, that your point is not just moot, but its denying The eternally redeeming EFFECT of Jesus's Blood and Death and Resurrection.

You are obviously having a real issue with your carnality for a long time and that is why you want to keep talking about sin and sinning.
As its on your mind, whereas if you understood God's Grace, then you'd be talking about that, instead.

including those who have been saved.

Again.

"""where there is no LAW, there is no SIN... (Transgression)."""

"Christ is the END OF THE LAW.....for Righteousness, to/for, everyone who BELIEVES".

Listen,.....Salvation is not about SIN.....its about Christ's Blood given as God's eternal Grace to a sinner.

"Jesus came into the world to save sinners".

Its our sin that qualified us before Holy God to receive HIS eternal forgiveness for our sin.
And we have it once we are born again, as God had to deal with all our sin, before He could "birth us" into Himself as "One with God".

God's Salvation throught Christ is......"where sin abounds......GRACE more abounds"..

This means that the Bl.ood of Jesus, has more power to cleanse a believer from sin then Moses law has the power to define you as a sinner.

Consider that Jesus's Blood Sacrifice is the full payment for the SIN of THE WORLD.
Did you know that?
So, when we understand this amazing Blood atonement, That IS The Cross of Christ ... then we see that this same "Gift of Salvation" has no issue with keeping all born again Christians "made free from sin"......by not only washing it away forever, 2000 yrs ago, but......also maintaining this for the last 2000 yrs per BELIEVER born again.

Saved. Sanctified. Not the same thing.

Paul teaches in (KJV) 1 Corin 1:30 that because the born again are "in Christ" forever, then Christ has become a Christian's Sancification forever.

Sanctified is a process.

You are confusing your daily walk of discipleship with Sanctification.

So, its one thing to understand that as a Christian lives in this world, and stays out of it,..... then that is their daily discipleship.
And if we see santification as being set apart, then we see that this is a daily walk to stay OUT of the World's System that has a mind and a will and a direction it wants you to have as your own.

However, Just as a Christian is made righteous they are also made sanctified the same way..........by being born again "IN Christ".

See backslide.

On the Day a person comes to Christ, God has already seen the rest of your life........so, he already knows that you will do some things wrong, later on.
Backsliding....... being dishonest....... being fearful............and all the mistakes you will ever make........including for some, total loss of faith and staying backslid.
Yet, He saved you anyway........knowing all this was going to happen later.
So, is God STUPID to save you, when He knows that you are going to fall, and fail, and backslide and lose your faith.........as some born again will do?
..... No, He's not stupid...... because He understand that His Salvation is ETERNAL, once imputed, and this same salvation always keeps you in God's perspective/viewpoing as : Righteous, Holy, Sactified, and Sinless.
God understands what Christ has finished on The Cross......and if every "christian" would gain this understanding then they would never be found trying to prove they are a sinner on a Forum while obsessing on Moses Laws and 10 Commandments that are designed to bring you to Christ who frees you from them by God's Grace..

A.) "Grace and Truth came by Jesus The Christ".......... and the Christian is "under Grace" "Not under the Law of Moses".

 

[Wrangler]

But God does not charge sin to a born again Christian.

Moving the goal post. Sin. Sin not charged. Not the same thing. IF OSAS were true many Bible verses wouldn’t exit, like Jesus talking about salt THAT HAS LOST ITS FLAVOR will be thrown away. Do you think he was referring to seasoning?

 

[Ziggy]

Gal 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Gal 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Luk 9:62
And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Luk 17:20
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Eze 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26
Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

Gal 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage

That’s wise counsel - not a statement of impossibility.

 

[Soyeong]

Quick Lesson On : The LAW of MOSES

1.) Its MOSES Law that defines a person as a sinner, because its Moses Law and Commandments that are broken which define you, until you become a born again CHRISTian.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting Christ a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked. So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to follow the Law of Moses by word and by example and what defines a Christian is being a follower of what he taught, not refusing to follow him.

A son of someone is a person who is in their likeness through being a doer of their character traits, such as with John 8:39 saying that if they were children of Abraham then they would be doers of the same works as him, so that is why Jesus is the Son of God and why we are children of God when we are embodying God's character traits through following his example of obedience to the Law of Moses. This is why those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not born again (1 John 3:4-10). God's character traits are the fruits of the Spirit, which is also why Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses (Romans 8:4-7)

So, when a person is born again, they are born again "NOT under the law, but UNDER GRACE">., and that is an eternal change, not a temporary change, and its based on THE CROSS OF CHRIST and not on our behavior.

Paul described the Law of Moses a being the good that he wanted to do and the law of sin as what was causing him not to do the good that we want to do. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which clearly is not describing the Law of Moses that is the good that he wanted to do, but other that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, so we are still under the Law of Moses. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Christ spent his ministry teaching and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20).

Now Reader, what is the main purpose of... The Law and Commandments? ??

A.) """" That the entire world is shown to be guilty before God."" Paul teaches in Romans., as that is the effect of the Law and 10 Commandments AGAINST us all.
Reader, the Law is not for you, its against you......Its designed to REVEAL what you are before God so that you will turn to Christ for eternal help, for eternal forgiveness, and for eternal Salvation.

So, this issue with MOSES Law..... has to resolved or we "die in our sins" and we go to hell.

Now, Notice this verse carefully.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the main purpose of the Law of Moses is to teach us how to know God and Jesus through embodying His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits, which is why sin is the transgression of the Law of Moses, and if you agree that we should refrain from sin, then you should also agree that we should repent from our sins and obey the Law of Moses.

The Law of Moses was given for our own good in order to teach us how to live blessed lives (Deuteronomy 6:23, 10:12-13), it is not against us, but rather what is against us is our transgressions of it. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21), so Jesus graciously teaching us to to experience being a doer of the Law of Moses is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it. The Law of Moses does not just reveal our need for Salvation but God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of it is also the way that He is giving us His gift of Salvation.

A.) = """""Jesus is the END of THE LAW....for Righteousness, to/for everyone who BELIEVES""". .. Paul teaches us.

So, if you are a born again Christian then you are no longer under the law, and you are no longer being judged by the law and 10 commandments.

Rather Romans 10:2-4 is speaking about knowing Jesus being the goal of the Law of Moses for righteousness for everyone who believes. In Romans 10:5-16, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to the righteousness that is by faith proclaiming that the Law of Moses is not too difficult for us to obey, in regard to proclaiming that obedience to it brings life and a blessing, in regard to what we are submitting to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, in regard to the way to believe that God raised Jesus from the dead for salvation, and in regard to the way to obey the Gospel.

You are : ""NOT under the LAW, but Under Grace"".

Now why does this blow the minds of most Christians.....to the point that they can't believe it and want to resist this truth?
Its because the carnal nature and the Devil are always working together to try to wipe out the revelation knowledge regarding = "who we have become IN CHRIST".
And what we have to do, is get the right mind about this, .. recognizing every day of our lives = our eternal Status "in Christ".." not under the law"...= having become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Again, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have carnal minds who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses (Romans 8:4-7). Christ embodied the righteousness of God through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so that is also the way that we have the gift of getting to live when we have become the righteousness of God in Christ. In 1 John 2:6, it says that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked, not that those who are Christ refuse to walk in the same way that he walked.

So, if a believer is to "walk in the Spirit" in the "renewed mind", as Paul teaches, then you have to get the revelation that a born again Christian is "not under the law", and they exit as "made free from sin"... .having become .. "THE Righteousness of God, in Christ".

That is GOD's eternal perspective of every Born Again Christian, and we must get the same MIND , and keep it.

Reader this revelation knowledge is SPIRITUAL...= SPIRITUAL only, and it wont fit the belief system of a carnal minded believer, or a religious fakir who both believe that they are a sinner, sinning, and need to confess sin and "behavior modify"... to try to stay saved.

It is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is, so all who have been made free from sin are doers of the Law of Moses.

 

[Pierac]

Gal 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Jam 2:8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.

Nuff said!

 

[Soyeong]

Gal 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Jam 2:8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.

Nuff said!

Everything in the Law of Moses is either in regard to how to love God our how to love our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that these are the greater two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey the commandments that hang on them, which is why love fulfills the entire law.

 

[Behold]

Notice Romans 6:14 carefully, Saint or Reader.
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1.) """""For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."""""

2.) """"Sin is no longer your master, for you no longer live under the requirements of the law. Instead, you live under the freedom of God’s grace.""""""
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So, we see that God accepts us, based on what He has offered as the "one time ETERNAL sacrifice" for our sin.

We can't do that for ourselves, and the 10 commandments and 613 Moses Law can't provide that... In fact the way OUT of being deemed unrighteous by Moses Law and the 10 Commandments, is THE CROSS OF CHRIST, where God has given us HIS righteousness, as "the Gift of Rightesousness"..

What is that?

That is our : Salvation who is Jesus ... As its Jesus alone who has "redeemed us from the CURSE...OF...THE ... LAW".

This specific curse is " MOSES Law"s dominion = to define a sinner everyone as a sinner<>Unrighteous.

And part of the Good News that is The Gospel...is that Jesus has redeemed us from that "CURSE"... because "you are NOT UNDER THE LAW.....but under GRACE"""


Now.....Reader, if you are trying to keep all the 10 Commandments and 613 of Moses's Law to try to stay saved, or to be saved, or to "keep from losing relationship with God".....then you are "under the law", and you are "fallen from Grace", and you are in a "carnal mind".

So, that is a ""carnal mind"" that is "in the Flesh"....Paul teaches in Galatians.......and the theological term for this is "LEGALIST" or "LEGALISM".
I define it as "broken faith"......that needs to be restored with the help of someone who can truly help you SEE your way back to the Light.

Reader,
.....the Devil's #1 worldwide daily eternal victory is everyone who just died and went to hell this last second...
the Devils #2 Victory is to ruin a Christians faith....which means to cause a Chrisitan to Stop Trusting only in Christ Alone to keep them saved, as when the Devil has you out of that right faith, then he has you into carnal SELF-righteousness.......and that means that the person is >>trying to make themselves RIGHT with God<<< based on SELF Effort.

Always remember that God gave MOSES LAW and the 10 Commandments to show you that you can't do it....... you are not righteous....so, we then turn to Christ... .and we receive HIM as our SAVIOR and He becomes for us.. "God hath made JESUS...to be Sin for us"... and we become "The rightesousness of God, in Christ'........we are then "made righteous" based on the blood and death and resurrection of Jesus.

THAT is God's Grace for a sinner.
THAT is Jesus as God's Salvation MERCY = for a Sinner.

Have you ever sinned?.. Then you are a sinner, and God has MERCY FOR YOU....and His name is JESUS.
Reader, He's always waiting for a sinner to come and find God's Love as His CROSS.

Do you have it?? Have you been to The Cross ??.. ... or are you still playing religious games with yourself always wanting to argue about MOSES Law and the 10 Commandments and OSAS???

See that dividing line? ??????????????????

Which side are you on in your own head, ?????? is where you are in your own faith......and if your faith is wrong, then its broken and you need to leave your self effort to try to stay saved or be saved and TRUST TOTALLY in Christ for your Salvation.
And why is that?

Its because..

JESUS is Salvation.
JESUS is Eternal LIFE
Jesus is our Righteousness
JESUS is the only way to Heaven
Jesus is all God has provided to you, so that He will accept you.
God will not accept your self effort or behavior modification to accept you, as if He did, then He would not be basing His Gift of Righteousness (Salvation) on Jesus "whom God sent"... to save us.

Do you believe this or not ?????? ...defines you as a Legalist or as a EnLightened Believer who understands God's Grace, and Paul says of you,...hat you are of the : """""as many as be perfect".
= Perfect in your "inner" understanding of God's Grace.
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[RepentingChristian]

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannont sin = because he is born of God."""""

Is it accurate to understand this to mean that, although we believers stumble and do things that are displeasing to our Heavenly Father, they are NOT considered "sin" in his eyes because we are not under the law and his "seed" is in us?

 

[RepentingChristian]

Here is the thing. If you believe in God and you have been born again and have Christ in you,
You can not sin.

Are you saying that people who are "born again" can LITERALLY do no wrong?

 

[Ziggy]

Are you saying that people who are "born again" can LITERALLY do no wrong?

Nope I never said they can do no wrong. I said they can not sin.

People make mistakes, that's how we learn.
A mistake is not sin.

Sin in and of itself is having NO belief that God is.
Sin is and of itself is having NO faith that God is able to keep us from sinning.

Sin in the OT are things that are done in the flesh, they are carnal in nature.
SIN in the NT are things that are done in the spirit. They are spiritual.

The OT is all about living in a carnal world.
The NT is all about living in the Spirit.

You cannot live in the Spirit without God.
Therefore if you are walking in the Spirit you cannot sin.
You cannot deny God.

Jhn 7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified. )

Jhn 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Rom 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Sin is denying God.

Jhn 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

You have to believe what God says and what he promises otherwise it is of none effect.

1Jo 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jo 3:24
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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