David in NJ
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But you do not understand the science that God uses to show forth His invisible attributes in Creation
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Science is bringing us closer than ever to proving God is real
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Let's go back to this for a moment.
Have you been kissed? Have you been in love? Prove those things to me.
Seriously, prove those things to me. Don't just dismiss this, it's perfectly valid.
Prove to me that you remember your childhood accurately. There is much that defies the normal evidences.
And like Scott said, not just by someone else affirming your claim, but show actual proof. I'm thinking you will find this impossible. But that won't deny the reality, will it?
Much love!
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Is that so? I haven't seen that myself. What I've seen is the more that scientists learn, the more questions they have. Oh, and I routinely see many of their claims debunked.
DNA? Evolved? This is one of the things turning scientists towards Christianity. They recognize the impossibility of information writing itself from less information. Not to mention there is no credible source for the original information if you rule out Intelligent Design by an all powerful Creator.
At the end of the day, it seems to me a far greater investestment of faith that this reality we live in came about on it's own, rather than being created by Someone greater.
The Athiest answer seems to be, there was nothing and then it exploded make the universe. I'd agree with that, but with a twist. Nothing exploded to create anything. God created this.
Much love!
Yes .
Once a Christian is no longer follow Jesus and his commands they are no longer a Christian .
The clergy of the affirming congregations will need no persecution , demonization will come of it's own accord .
Atheist using a supernatural bible definition , cool .
@ Riven I’m building on this with something that was in my X / Twitter “For you” feed a couple of days ago -
“Astronomer Robert Jastrow (who is not a Christian) explains how the Big Bang supports the idea of a Creator:
’Astronomers now find they have painted themselves into a corner because they have proven, by their own methods, that the world began abruptly in an act of creation to which you can trace the seeds of every star, every planet, every living thing in this cosmos and on the earth. And they have found that all this happened as a product of forces they cannot hope to discover.
That there are what I or anyone would call supernatural forces at work is now, I think, a scientifically proven fact.’ - Robert Jastrow”
(Bold is mine.)
“Far from disproving the existence of God, astronomers may be finding more circumstantial evidence that God exists.” -Robert Jastrow
There is a strange ring of feeling and emotion in these reactions [of scientists to evidence that the universe had a sudden beginning]. They come from the heart whereas you would expect the judgments to come from the brain. Why? I think part of the answer is that scientists cannot bear the thought of a natural phenomenon which cannot be explained, even with unlimited time and money.
There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe. Every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause. There is no First Cause …
This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover.”
(Robert Jastrow, The Enchanted Loom)
There is a strange ring of feeling and emotion in these reactions [of scientists to evidence that the universe had a sudden beginning]. They come from the heart whereas you would expect the judgments to come from the brain. Why? I think part of the answer is that scientists cannot bear the thought of a natural phenomenon which cannot be explained, even with unlimited time and money.
There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe. Every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause. There is no First Cause …
This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover.”
(Robert Jastrow, The Enchanted Loom)
“Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the Biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and Biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy.”
(Robert Jastrow, The Enchanted Loom)
(Robert Jastrow, The Enchanted Loom)
“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”
(Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers)
(Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers)
soberxp
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The essence of things, what is called science, is actually the laws of the world created by God. However, humans have forcibly separated these laws from God and treated them differently. Because physical laws can be observed directly, but Utopia has never been seen by anyone, and thus people are reluctant to believe in it.
Bob
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Thanks! Yes, there should not be a conflict between the two, but when atheists teach science—biology, paleontology, etc.—they (perhaps deliberately) cast aspersions on Christianity in particular. On the other hand, Bible literalists often add confusion.
Peace.
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